trivia

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 12:49 PM

Mark: I may have goofed, but I'm pretty sure that your Tradition album is not Odetta's first recording, regardless of Dean Gitter's copy (whatever happened to Dean Gitter? Anybody know?). The one I'm remembering was made in California. Might even have been a 10-inch disc. Can't find it in the stacks right now, darn it. Rick'll probably find it on his next visit.

Sandy

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 11:02 AM

Well I'm TRYING to get this thread to croak but Mark, if you keep giving us openings like the last one....

Sandy is of course correct in that Odetta did an album with Rolf Cahn, but he neglected to predict how nurd-like we would be in trying to find her FIRST recording. As he says, the bass player would be Spike Lee's dad "Bill". For a while I thought also that he had posed a "trick question", and that the answer would be: "On my album "The Many Sides of Sandy Paton", you'll notice that one of the four pictures is of a stout black woman in a kilt." Proving that there are MANY sides to Sandy Paton!

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 09:39 AM

I have Odetta's first album (Odetta Sings Ballads and Blues, Tradition Recordings, TLP 1010, recorded September 1956. Liner notes by Dean Gitter begin with "A magnificent new voice is here to sing the old songs..." and end with "It is therefore with a pride which borders on hybris that Tradition Records presents in her first album one of the most electrifying performers of our time -- ODETTA!" But nowhere does it mention anyone accompanying her. I'm listening to the album right now, and there are no other voice on any songs, although about a quarter of the songs have a unnamed bass playing along. Otherwise, it's just purely Odetta. So is Sandy asking a trick question, or does he know who that string bass player is? And is Dean Gitter's "hybris" a typo for "hubris?" And where did my son put the big dictionary?

Mark

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 11:31 PM

Larry Mohr is a good answer, but I was thinking of the guy with equal billing: Rolf Cahn (I hope I spelled that right).

It's not a question of adventuring, Catspaw, it merely a matter of longevity.

Gramps, but still singin'!

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 11:40 AM

'Fraid not folks. I believe Ms Baez's first recorded singing partner (and sideman) was Bob Gibson at the Newport Folk Featival in (I believe 1959) They sang Mary Had a Baby.

Lightfoot and Croce shared John Stockfish as a bassist.

Sandy's guitarist was Fred Hellerman

Gibson's guitarist on Ski Songs was Joe Puma

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 08:36 AM

I bet Earl's right, it would make sense. Is her first album the one with FFV and Pal of Mine on it? I was thinking that was it (that's where I learned those two) and if that's right, she did 2 or 3 with Pete Seeger on it so Hellerman would be a logical answer.

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: RWilhelm
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 08:10 AM

Fred Hellerman played guitar on the first Baez album.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Night Owl
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 03:18 AM

Joan Baez recording partner....dumb answer #1...Dylan??

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 03:12 AM

Well Rick, I keep trying. I'm going through junk salvaged from 30 years ago and I got more partial pieces of stuff than the law should allow...and probably doesn't. A page of several, obviously, that itself is half gone...you know? Anyway, I'm still workin' on Baez. And Larry Mohr was a singing partner of Odetta at one point, but I think it was much later in the Village,maybe. He had an album out too because I remember a song...well, not any more, but I liked it enough to learn it at the time.......anyway, I can't sleep and so I'm rummaging around making one hell of a mess.

And I agree with Rick.......SANDY---What Ain't You Done? Most times, I feel like I've led a pretty full and diverse life, but you just amaze me there Granpa!!! I'm in total awe sometimes..........

catspaw (for whom tomorrow promises to be a headache)

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 02:32 AM

Darn it Sandy, I'm tryin' to get out of here, but you got me thinkin'. Odetta met and sang with Woody, Pete and Will Geer in Laurel Canyon sometime around 1952-3. And she was married to a guy named "Gordon". Who, I'm wonderin was he? Perhaps a jazz player? She did an album with Harry B. but that would have been later I believe. Boy, if I was in your library right now I'd find it in a flash!
Ronn, the one and the same Crispian St. Peters.
"Paw" who the hell is Larry Mohr?
C'mon folks, at least try "Joan Baez's first recording partner?

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:55 AM

No, Rick, but Bill Lee was Odetta's bass player when I worked with her for a month at the old Gate of Horn in Chicago. I'll leave the question open for a while, 'cause that highly-educated Mark has yet to show the stretch of his memory on this one.

Gramps

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 12:12 AM

Odetta huh? Gawd she recorded with lots of folk, but I think I'm wrong here, probably later, but I remember some songs and maybe an albums worth that was with Larry Mohr. Seems like my friend Peabody had an album like that in college.

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:45 PM

Look, I'll start a new one in a few days! Odetta eh? probably in the 50s right? Well she was married to Louisiana Red at one time, but I don't think it's him. Was it a jazz guy? Not Bill Lee maybe?

I'll give it another day and if nobody gets the sidemen questions I'm outta here.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 11:36 PM

Don't worry, Night Owl. If Rick gets out of this one, he's gonna have to wriggle out.

With whom did Odetta record on what I think was her first album (and with whom she shared equal billing)?

Sandy

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Night Owl
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 10:57 PM

Rick....I've been having fun reading this thread....would be VERY disappointed if Catspaw and Sandy allowed you to get out of this thread "gracefully"!!!

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 08:23 PM

Well, the "paw" did it again. The Big "Yin" is right!
Ronn, Bob did indeed do Early Mornin Rain. But PP and M beat him to it by a few years.

Any takers on the "sidemen" questions before I give the answers and try to get out of this thread gracefully.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Ronn
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 08:08 PM

This was WAY up on the page, but I have vague memories of Bob Dylan doing "Early Morning Rain" on the SELF PORTRAIT album. Dylan played piano (but did not sing) on an album called THE BLUES PROJECT (having nothing at all to do with the band of the same name) which I seem to recall also had John Sebastian in some capacity. Is the Crispian St Peters mentioned above the same singer who had a mid-60's hit called "Pied Piper"? I used to LOVE "College Bowl"...

Subject: RE: trivia
From: anna
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 06:41 PM

about people don't believe me, thaey think that I'm just braggin. But I canfeel the way that I do and still be on the wagon. All I need is one of your smiles, sunshine in my eyes oh me, oh my, do I feel higher than a kite can fly. Give me loven,Baby, I feel high.

Scotch and Soda I don't know the autho, but it was on of the Folk groups around "The Kingston Trio" time. Might even be them.

This happen to have remained one of my very favorite songs.

Anna

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 06:04 PM

Billy Connelly? Can't think of others, but a lot of actors play too....John Lithgow, Craig Nelson

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 05:48 PM

Well, I've found my true role in life. To be straight man to Sandy and Catspaw.

Thought of a good trivia question: We all know that Steve Martin is an excellent banjoist (and not just for a comedian) BUT...can you name the famous stand up comic who is a top notch frailer?

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 04:31 PM

Made money.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 03:21 PM

Perhaps she phoned Dionne Warwick's psychic friends network.

Sandy, Jeez, is there anything you haven't done?

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 02:45 PM

You know it, catspaw. And what really made it hurt, there was a gal on the show who repeatedly gave correct questions before the questions were completely asked. Such as:
"Baseball: In 1961,..."
BEEP!!!!!
"The Boston Red Sox?"
"That is correct - The Boston Red Sox was the team that the Yankees were playing against when Roger Maris hit his 61st home run to break Babe Ruth's record.
"
I mean, how could she possibly know what he was gonna ask??

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 02:05 PM

Knowing this group around here, I know I'm not alone in having friends who say, "You should be on "Jeopardy." Happens to a lot of you doesn't it? Mark, my friend, you just hit my biggest fear...making the show and all of a sudden we have topics I know nothing about, Trebek is speaking Chinese, and I look like Homer Simpson. I wouldn't try out for that show if you stuck a gun to my head!

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 02:04 PM

Mark, you whiz kid, Monte Dunn lives about six miles down the road from us. You win the multi-colored, cut-glass potato masher!

Caroline and I were once on "To Tell the Truth." I stumped the panel by answering that Alan Lomax was from Texas, originally, not New York City. Still, they nailed us in the long run. But I got a fat fee for singing for about 30 seconds over the opening credits. Beats working.

Sandy

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 01:50 PM

I was on a show called "College Bowl" once. Sort of a Jeopardy-type thing. Funny how when I'd watch it on TV I always seemed to have lots of answers, but when I was on the show, I didn't know nuttin'. I finally thought I'd heard one I could get - I thought I'd heard it to be something like "What are three components of glass?" I pushed the buzzer and proudly rattled off "silica, alkali, and lime!!" The M.C. looked at me strangely and another contestant hit the buzzer and said, "The answer is Mickey Mouse." I never did find out what the question actually was.

Mark

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 01:09 PM

"Why I 'otta" (Leo Gorcey in every Bowery Boys film)

Actually I love "trivia". I met Heather when we were both playing "pub quiz" in Toronto. Her team never seemed to win a single game, (probably her team-mates weren't as nurdy as some). But she had named her team "Stocks and Bondage" so I figured she might not be turned off by MY sense of humour! When I heard the Scottish accent (and saw the legs) I was hooked. Good decision.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:46 PM

And I do know you as a fellow who likes to stick his head into things.

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:44 PM

Well just call me "the plumber's helper", "Paw".

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:40 PM

Man, I think we're plumbing new depths of trivia here!!!

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:19 PM

Great Mark, I finally get to say "not quite!" David Rea was from Ohio, but we made him an honorary Canadian when he played Merle Travis' "Blue Smoke". I know the answer to Sandy's question so I won't spoil it, but here's one: Gordon Lightfoot and Jim Croce shared a VERY eccentric bass player, name him.
Oh, and one more. Maybe a little tricky. On her very first recording, who was Joan Baez' sideman? Even more tricky, who was Sandy Paton's on his first? Got those? Well then Here's the capper. I'll be surprised if anyone gets this. Who was Bob Gibson's guitarist on "Ski Songs"?

As nobody's ventured a guess on the folk singer with the bell shaped guitar, the answer is : Carl Sandburg. Too obscure? I'm sorry. Oh and the Limelighters' banjoist was Alex Hassilev.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Apr 99 - 12:17 PM

Been off so long I'm trying to figure which is what here. I was going to go for Camp, got no idea on Sandy's last, but Mark is really good so I'd bet on his last post I didn't read. Can't see if it's been answered yet or I missed it, but the bell thing is killing me.

Dylan---"Bob Landy" which I can figure out and "Tedham Porterhouse" which I can't. Figured it as a "T-Bone Walker" rip in the same vein as "Blind Boy Grunt" but I can't convert Tedham to anything...The Dam, Dam The, Detham????

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:59 PM

Catspaw, don't read this - I don't want to influence your answer.
I think the Ian and Sylvia guitarist must be John Herald(because I think David Rae is from Canada, and I don't know where Monte Dunn lives).

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:49 PM

Bob Camp (when he recorded that first album with Gibson, sometimes facetiously referred to as "The Bobbsey (sp?) Twins at the Gate of Horn") became Hamilton Camp to pursue his acting career, then Hamid Hamilton Camp for religious reasons.

Okay, Catspaw: who was the guitarist who backed Ian and Sylvia, and is now a neighbor of mine in northwest Connecticut? He's run for Congress in this district a few times as the Libertarian candidate. Didn't do too well.

Sandy

Subject: RE: trivia
From: RWilhelm
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:51 PM

I think Bob Gibsons pard would be Hamilton Camp. I know he changed his name once for religious reasons. One of Dylan's aliases was "Alias" from the movie "Pat Garret and Billy the Kid" another was Lucky Willbury of the Traveling Wilburys.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 05:30 PM

Mark! As Edward G. Robinson said to Steve McQueen in "the Cincinatti Kid". "You're good kid, real good!" Millard and Joady are keerect! 2 down and 3 to go.

When are you going to put us out of our misery on Dylan,Paw?

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 01:33 PM

No, wait, Joady Guthrie is Arlo's brother. His album is "Spies on Wall Street."

Mark

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 01:03 PM

Dunno about Arlo's brother, but Woody's cousin Jack Guthrie recorded an album called Oklahoma Hills. Don't suppose that's what we're looking for...

Mark

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Mark Roffe
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:54 PM

The Belafonte/PPM guitarist must be the impeccable Millard Thomas.

Mark

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:45 PM

Rick, you failed to mention that Charles Seeger was the father of Pete, John, Peggy, Mike, et al. He also transcribed many of the songs in the Archive of Folk Culture (as it is now known) at the Library of Congress. Ruth Crawford Seeger, his second wife, published some excellent books of folksongs for children. To top it all off, he employed Libba Cotten as a housekeeper, later learning that she played a pretty mean guitar (upside down and backwards). Now, there's a man who made a major contribution to American folk music, one way or another!

Sandy

Subject: RE: trivia
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:36 PM

FWIW, The name "Dueling Banjos" came from a prank played by Mr. Robert Pliskin, who equipped a beat-up banjo with a bayonet, and placed it in the window of Izzy Young's Folklore Center with a placard: One half of the only known set of dueling banjos. Eric Weissburg was strangely taken with this.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 12:02 PM

Charles Seeger: American folklorist, who at different times tried to take Classical music on the road with his wife Constance. There's a great photo of the two of them down south somewhere with tiny piano and violin standing in someone's field. Naturally they also tied it in with American trad. music as well. He lost a lot of jobs for being a communist, but always seemed to get another.

The first recording of "Dueling Banjos" was called "Feudin' Banjos", and was recorded and composed by Arthur "Guitar Boogie" Smith and Don Reno. (They did it with 5 string and tenor banjo) They are the ones who sued, and eventually got the royalties.

You got me on Zimmerman's two other aliases. (And these ARE NOT too easy!)

Here's a few new ones.

What folk singer played a guitar shaped like a bell?

Arlo Guthrie's brother recorded one album. Name him.

Peter Paul and Mary shared a lead gutar player with Harry Belafonte. Name him.

Bob Gibson's favourite singing partner changed his name twice. Give all three names.

Name the Limelighters' banjo player?

P.S. 'Course Sandy's right about Penny and Barbara Seeger.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 10:50 AM

Her name was Charlene and at one point was being wooed by Ernest T. Bass while she was wooing Andy.

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 10:25 AM

Catspaw, thank you for that. Do you remember the name of the daughter who was trying to woo Andy? And as far as I remember you're right about The Dillards having no lines. It sure was nice to hear some authentic Bluegrass on a t.v. sitcom.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 10:17 AM

They played the Darling family with Denver Pyle as their Pa playing the jug. I don't think any of them ever had a line of dialogue.

cayspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 10:12 AM

Weisberg got "Dueling Banjos" from The Dillards. A littel more trivia, they played a Hillbilly family whose name escapes me on The Andy Griffith Show. They actually performed DB on an episode.

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 09:06 AM

Uh, good point Steve......In this case, no.

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 07:59 AM

Does "Bob Dylan" count as a pseudonym?

Subject: RE: trivia
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Apr 99 - 06:18 AM

Well, we could opt for a couple more...........

1. That's 5 Seegers, let's go for the 6-pack. Who was Charles Seeger?

2. For all you banjo players, Weissberg did "Dueling Banjos" for "Deliverance" but what Bluegrass group did he get it from?

3. Dylan used at least two other names besides Blind Boy Grunt...any Ideas? No, I'm sorry, "Song Stealin' Mortar Forker" is not correct.

These are too simple...need to think on some others. Rick asked us to add to his...ANYBODY GOT A GOOD ONE??? (I'm talkin' trvia question here)

catspaw

Subject: RE: trivia
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 18 Apr 99 - 04:01 PM

Penny and Barbara.

Gramps