BS: whats wrong with ukip [UK Independence Party]

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 06:26 PM

bless him, i think he's had enough. watching tv isn't a bad way of getting info, you just have to watch the grown up channels not the cartoon network!

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 May 09 - 06:17 PM

OMG, his political information comes from one hearing on tv!

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 05:56 PM

SCOPES, i can't work out if you are on a wind up mission or if you are for real. i hope that it's just a wind up. i think that you have some serious problems if you think the bnp that you seem to love aren't giong to come after you when they have run out of easy targets. i know we were on about ukip but our FRIEND here is a bnp supporter.
something tells me you are not going to be very popular on this site!
it might not sound very british but i live in england and would like laws that are made for us by us. this isn't anti anything i am just very into self government. some chance that we can pull it off though eh?

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: GUEST,Scopes
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:10 PM

Heard one on television the other evening. He made a lot of sense, I can see them doing well.

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: bubblyrat
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:05 PM

Do you know what a Nazi really is,Mrs Duck ?? I very much doubt it !!
   Shalom !

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Jim McLean
Date: 22 May 09 - 03:54 PM

There are other parties out side England, the SNP in Scotland, Plaid Cymru in Wales.

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 03:03 PM

thanks guys i think you have stopped me making a huge mistake.lib dem leaflet came today so i will be checking them out

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 22 May 09 - 01:13 PM

They are Nazis!

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 09 - 09:37 AM

What Lox said.

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Steve Hunt
Date: 22 May 09 - 08:47 AM

UKIP = BNP in tweeds!

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 08:39 AM

I'll be voting lib dem.

I think they are an honourable bunch.

UKIP are a 1 issue party.

Rather than looking at the UKs problems and developing a wide perspective to cope with the wide range of issues in UK politics and understanding that politics has many conflicting ingredients, UKIP have built a party around the point of view that Europe is bad for the UK.

Europe is but one issue in a massive array of issues that any govenment need to have a mature practical and human angle on.

UKIP don't actually care about those other issues except in the context of their Anti european stance.

I personally would like to see clegg have a turn.

Reasons for and against are at least to do with how the liberals would govern and not to do with whether foreigners are a problem, which is a distraction from real politics.

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 May 09 - 08:23 AM

I have gone and had a rummage about the candidates.

No Respect candidates. No Monster Raving Loonies.

And what a bunch of loonies most of the rest seem to be, too!

The choice seems to be Green or SLP, and if I get some bumf on the SLP my mind is mulling on that...

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 May 09 - 07:48 AM

Respect?

Socialist Labour Party?

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 May 09 - 07:05 AM

Looks like it only leaves the monster raving loony party ;)

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Teribus
Date: 22 May 09 - 01:45 AM

"UKIP does not have a very good record on that score.

Last time in 2004, 12 UKIP candidates were elected to the European Parliament. One of them, Ashley Mote, was sent to prison in 2007 for benefit fraud. Another, Tom Wise, is currently on bail facing charges of alleged expenses fraud and money laundering." - MGOH

A well Kevin, if one has been imprisoned for benefits fraud and another is facing charges for "alleged expenses fraud" then my guess is that the latter will get off, otherwise it might set a dangerous precedent for members of the main UK political parties currently esconced in Westminster with their noses firmly wedged in the trough.

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Cats
Date: 22 May 09 - 12:41 AM

In the west country UKIP has agreed that if BNP are standing in a constituency they will not put a candidate up against them and vice versa. So, a clean party? Ideals are spoiled by the fact that they are implemented by humans and humans all have weaknesses. Go for a best fit, but read all the small print, don't just go by sound bites.

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: jeddy
Date: 21 May 09 - 07:55 PM

so if i'm looking for a clean party, that has polcies i can stomach who would you suggest? i can't vote green coz they want to charge even more car,road and fuel tax than i pay now,how would any of us afford festivals then? i know we wouldn't so who does that leave? buggered if i know

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:50 PM

If it's dodgy politicians you are worried about, and you want to make a protest vote against all the main parties, UKIP may be not the best place to put your vote. UKIP does not have a very good record on that score.

Last time in 2004, 12 UKIP candidates were elected to the European Parliament. One of them, Ashley Mote, was sent to prison in 2007 for benefit fraud. Another, Tom Wise, is currently on bail facing charges of alleged expenses fraud and money laundering.

Of course there are worse among the 342 registered political parties in Great Britain as of May 14 2009 ( and another 51 in Northern Ireland (see here for a Wikipedia list), most especially the BNP. But there are better as well.

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: Paul Burke
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:46 PM

UKIP- a right wing English (I don't think they have much appeal in Scotland or Wales) party- mainly they are anti- European Union, but they've managed to keep the image of snalltime whingers. They are rather indiscriminate - one or two of their election candidates have turned out to be ex-BNP or worse. But mainly they are just lost causes. Their policies read fairly well in an infraThatchertite sort of way, but they are clean like religious groups who have never had power- they've never had the chance to bring in the inquisition.

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: jeddy
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:40 PM

soory i forgot thatwe are not all in the same country. u.k.independence party. england. the question sounded reasonable in my head it just doesn't come across in print very well

Subject: RE: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: open mike
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:27 PM

what is ukip
which great country are you talking about?

Subject: BS: whats wrong with ukip
From: jeddy
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:23 PM

i only know of the unlimited immigration policy that sounds a bit dodgy is there anything else i should consider before making my mind up about voting for them?
allowing this great country to make it's own laws sound very sensible to me, am i being naive and manipulated?