Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: oombanjo
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 03:12 PM

Point taken. Again Best wishes to all in your new venue.see you in August if not before.    Cheers Oombanjo.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 11:54 AM

I really don't think that this thread is about Sam Smiths. It's about the New Venue for the Whitby Folk Club. This is in the Friendship and it has a Beer Garden. Which could be used like the Plough Yard and in point of fact it do have a better view. All be it Gil and Denise's floral displays and hanging baskets being very well kept. Talking to Mick Haywood over the weekend and he is more than pleased with the Friendship and the facilities that the members and committee have provided. Which includes a music licence that the Sam Smiths Pub's do not have.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Nick
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 11:31 AM

Oombanjo, always admire people with principles* but if the aim is to get back to playing at Nellies then it might be as well to be a little pragmatic.

IF, and it's a very big IF, the nod is given to play at a particular time it allows for the possibility of playing in the future. At the moment the door seems very much closed - if there is a possibility of at least having it slightly ajar then it's a step in the right direction, isn't it? Door to door salesman always keep there foot in the door just in case. There are probably plenty of people round the world who have a compete set of encyclopedias because they let the outsider in.

(* Newton and Archimedes immediately spring to mind)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 04:00 AM

It came from a VERY reliable source who I am not going to mentioned here for fear of jeopardising their position

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: oombanjo
Date: 27 Feb 05 - 05:54 AM

with ref to the licensee of the white horse. She was in the Sun last week,and only mentioned that if unofficial groups or individuals were to turn up and play in nellies over the folk weekend she would not stop it. If it was to happen, let hope that Huhphrey does not turn up, or we will have another casualty to a unjust law. Having said that,I do not think that the rumour has foundation.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 06:56 PM

Yes, they are MANAGED houses and as such if they don't adhere to the policy from head office they are out on their ear, alledgely Humphrey visits pubs without forewarning the licensee, on one visit the night before New Years Eve he found a licensee selling alcopops (against company policy)the said licensee was sacked on the spot (allegedly)

Would anyone posting here stick their neck out if it meant losing their income, is there any truth in the rumour that the licensee of the White Horse has "moved on"

Anyway ............ who's for the Ducky Duck

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: oombanjo
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 02:35 PM

I agree with the sentiment Raggy,but these are managed houses, and, where is the respect and support to the landlord who has put up his cash.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 07:06 AM

I think once again people are shooting messengers, it is also the licensee who has backed music in the past who is suffering from the loss of revenue, you now have the opportunity to thanks then for that support, don't cut your noses off .........

Anyway have we got to the Plough yet or should we take a walk to the First In, Last Out .......first

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 05:40 AM

Totally agree with that sentiment oombanjo, there are 365 days in a year he cant have excellent profits from 3 of those days when he pleases, and tell you to piss off for the rest of them, the man has lost the plot.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: oombanjo
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 03:33 PM

Best wishes in your new venue. As you know (Not the White Horse Folk Club) is now at the Foresters, on the Beck side in Beverley, so best wishes from all at yet another Humpheryed Folk club. It has been hinted that, we also can play in Nellies again on Beverleys Folk weekend, but only that weekend, so I for one, as a person of principal will not be there.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,big a
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 12:23 PM

gnomad the only thing I've know to stop you crawling is a curry.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 11:27 AM

Small in stature maybe, I think we better had, or the wellies might be applied where we don't want them, and then we'd have to go to the new place oposite (Beans??) that managed more staff than customers on New Year's Eve.

As for Wednesdays, isn't it ALWAYS Wednesday in Whitby? I'll nip outside and check.



Nope, the man on the bridge says it's Friday, but he doesn't know the magic word, so maybe he's an agent of the virtual Alcofrolics Unanimous, and is trying to stop us completing the crawl.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 09:19 AM

Gnomad this is starting to sound like a Whitby Wednesday - from Rosies do we go for a small sheree?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 02:05 PM

Nah, just plotting the next move, but if we're doing the clubs as well, how could a chap of your politics bypass the Conservative Club?

OK, so Baxtergate it is...How come I get Rosie's, all the good ones eh?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 04:46 AM

What's up ...... has everyone turned teetotal or given up the booze for Lent

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 04:07 AM

Oops hold on a mo, what about the Albion and the Rifle club, turn back lads and before we get back to Butlers Beer Boutique we have to negoiate Fishburn Park,Baxtergate and environs

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 02:27 PM

Well I'm weaving about a bit, we can backtrack to the Res easily enough and the Sinner is still downhill from either one.

Anyway aren't we both due at the Butlers' Emporium about now? I think we may be best with a rickshaw.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 10:13 AM

Oops turn back we missed the Resolution and the Elsinor

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 10:08 AM

OK, but then I think we'd better head back towards town, Stakesby Arms then somewhere civilised, maybe the Little Angel?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 03:51 AM

Fancy a quick one in the Football club and then watch a bit of cricket

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 02:35 PM

Well, we are a way out aren't we. Sport? No thanks, I have ambitions to be a gent of total leisure.

But as we are out this way shall we hunt down the White House. It's one of the few I haven't visited and I hear we may get to mock some golfers. Sporty enough?

Oh sport was a typo? Damned S es get everywhere. Do you know the Bishop of Winchester?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 04:12 AM

Swift one in the Marquis of Granby stroll to the Metropole, anyone for some sport

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 02:45 PM

Unless anyone fancies dropping in on the yotties over the lifeboat museum I fancy a trip up the steps at the end of the Crag..view is more interesting than the Khyber, wno's for the Royal?

Mind, it's a bit of a climb if we won't have time to sup on the way down again, and we've only got 45 mins before we're due back on the east side.

Hey, Raggy, did we do right going in the Jollys, that is one of Humphrey's houses? Wanna go back & demand a refund?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alice white
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 04:18 AM

Following that Star, Shipmates,its into the Fishermens Club for a swifty,then if the Ships waiting at the Pier our next port of call will be Bar 7. By then I should imagine we,ll be right up the Khyber Pass.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 02 Feb 05 - 04:01 AM

Buck up you two Jooly Sailors, Cor What a Star

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 05:56 PM

Ok gnomad permision to break ranks but we must be in the Frendship for 20.30 Wednessday

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 04:26 PM

You won't let that one rest will you Tyke, (promise?) I seem to have landed back at the Dolphin which is odd, as I've only been there once in 3D...Pleeeese can I run over the bridge for a quiet one in the Golden Lion, I promise not to go further without you guys?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 02:32 PM

Ok Raggytash I'm going to call in to The Board to fine out the Scuttle Butt on last weeks Whitby's Inshore Life Boat disaster!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 04:06 AM

I supposed someone will get Bord with this and move on to the Duke of York, what a Shambles, I'm off to the Fisherlads for a pint

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 07:26 PM

It's very late I've just got home from the Shambles. I'll see you all for a very nice breakfast in the White Horse and Griffin. The coffee in the Sheperds Purse. Before we get back to this Pub Crawl.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alice white
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 06:23 PM

Sorry Gnomad, no need to divert to the Dolphin,We,ll get that on the way backdown just before we cross the Bridge. Some of us are going up the right hand side of Church Street. The Black Horse is next as its virtually too dear to drink in the White Horse and Griffin as you have to purchase a meal to get a drink there. Dont forget though, you must all land in the Friendship by Wednesday!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: gnomad
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 06:02 PM

Slight diversion to the Dolphin, anyone, then we can nip up Sandgate?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Bassic
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 05:03 PM

Ey up! I shall Endevour to be waiting accross the road with 4 pints of the foaming stuff lined up.....(I decided to get in early cos I have a feeling it is going to be a VERY expensive round by the time it gets to the "Tap" !! ;-)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 01:58 PM

Mines a Pint of Broadside Raggytash

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: alice white
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 01:51 PM

Mick,s just off to Fleece for Allotment AGM. He,ll drink a virtual pint for both Tyke and Raggytash,as he says thats the next pub on the virtual pub crawl.Where next?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 01:39 PM

Ok Raggytash from the Bottom House it The Middle Earth. This is a free virtual Pub Crawl Round Whitby any one can join in. Ok it's your round Raggytash :-))

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Nanny
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 09:18 AM

Now see what you've done, you've got the little man all upset, he even started to mispell some of his words and his grammer went all to cock, you've all got a lot to answer for, why did you have to disturb him so.

coming darling ......... yes Nannies got some warm milk

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,H Smith Esq
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 09:15 AM

Harumph !! Oh my good Lord, what a set of oiks you people are, why don't you get yourself a job, instead of wasting your time hacking at cittars or whatever it is you make your infernal noise on. I've seen some of you and you wear bells on your legs, what sort of behaviour is that, never did it in my day. You look unwashed, unkempt, wear beards and some of you have long hair (oh that's the ladies is it, well edit that bit out before you get the man to send it) You have no moral fibre and do not deserve to be allowed in one of my esteemed hostelries, not that any of you deserve the dole monies you receive. I'm of the the Tower to recount my money that I got by hard work and honest toil, no-body ever gave me anything apart from the odd millions and Daddy left.
I will never, repeat never allow your kind to sully my taverns again, YOU MAN ... man pick up my rattle ....... NOW I TELL YOU, NOW !!



Where's Nanny ........ I WANT MY NANNY !!!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Nick
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 08:30 AM

A friend sent me this pointing out how popular Mr Smith currently is on the Tadcaster message boards...

Go to Message Boards and read a few threads!

Tadcaster Web Site

In fairness there are a few people who are very pleased that muzak and TVs have gone - but then quite a few here would probably agree on that score.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 08:14 AM

Shall we do this systematically George, pubs and club starting at the Bottom House all Chruch street, Sandgate then across the bridge turn left and work up the West Cliff

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 07:44 AM

I've haven't got my knickers in a twist Raggytash. I just wanted to make it clear that I for one have appreciated Gill and Denise's hospitality. The idea of live music being banned in any pub let alone a chain of pubs. Is abhorrent to me and a to all who get a great deal of enjoyment from it.

I haven't enjoyed a pint of Theakstons since the Breweries behaviour at Leeds Folk Festival in 1982. I have enjoyed my visits to the Plough and the Jolly Sailor in Whitby and to Nellie's in Beverly. We are all on the same side as usual and if we are arguing which we are not! It's about how best to protest about the Brewery's Policy. I just think that not spending money in Sam Smiths pubs until a change of its latest Live Music Policy could be the way to go. We would only be complying with the wishes of the Brewery and the Law after all. Until Sam Smiths decided to apply for the licences that they require to enable them to permit Live Music in on and around the licensed premise's. Come on I'll start you off name all the Pubs in Whitby! First Inn Last Out

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Nick
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 06:21 AM

I hear that Mr Smith blew most of his gaskets once he started to get some adverse publicity. There is probably quite a lot more coming his way including national coverage in the near future which will at least start with mentioning Sam Smiths actions. Several managers are currently leaving (partly as a result of this and more are rumoured to be on the way) and they are still waiting a response from him to their concerns about changes which were raised nearly two months ago. Takings are down in quite a number of pubs - definitely in the one we used to use. I have been told that PRS and Smiths are supposed to be talking so who knows?

Can't see any harm in writing and letting him know your feelings, I know a lot of other people have. I would guess that they reckon that things will just blow over and the world go back to normal so it's important to keep up the pressure.

Has anyone else had a reply by the way? They seem to be getting increasingly tight-lipped.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 04:36 AM

George, you old Teddy Bear, don't get your knickers in a twist, we're both on the same side on this. Like you I think the Plough to many people IS Whitby Folk Festival and Gil & Denise need whatever support we can give them, even if that means this year drinking somewhere else. As Ray and others have said hit the brewery where it hurts in the bank balance, sadly though that too will affect Gil & Denise and all the other licensees who let us use their premises, so a concerted approach directly to Humphrey Smith may be the order of the day and perhaps a similar concerted approach to his fellow directors may be considered, they are the people who can put DIRECT pressure upon him to reconsider this matter, and in the final analysis are the one's who could vote him off the board for, what some would consider, wilful mismanagement

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 31 Jan 05 - 02:53 AM

was the manager sacked for selling alcopops (how accounted for) or for defying non music in Sam's pubs?

Who is Humphrew, and if as up front as you say he is invite the
bod CEO whoever, who is responsible to his shareholders, to come to The Plough to see for himself!!

I'm losing patience

Get shut of the CEO!

I'm sure my portfolio manager has some of Sam's share
I'm saying no more, you all know how volatile are share values
Hit the B where it hurts, too many pubs trying to sell food to keep alive
Ray Padgett as Guest as I'm at home!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 08:29 PM

Raggytash If you look you will find that I have made no Mention of Gill and Denise who as you rightly say have made everyone welcome at the Plough. It would however be Gill and Denise who's lively hoods would be put at risk if the Orders from Sam Smiths were ignored and they allowed live music to continue in the Plough.

One of the stories I was told was that Sam Smiths have taken over a Chain of Pubs in the South. Humphrey was visiting one of these pubs and there was a live Rock Band playing. The pub was also selling Alco-pops, which are not allowed in any Sam Smiths houses. The Manager was sacked on the spot and Humphrey himself stood in behind the bar until a relief manager could be found.

Yes we could all have a mass protest by heading for the plough and singing and playing. But why should we wish to embarrass Gill and Denise. All I'm suggesting is that especially during Folk Week it might be a good idea to support all the other pubs in Whitby who welcome live Music all year. We would only be complying with the wishes of the Brewery after all. However this is only a suggestion there may be other ways round the Music Ban. We need clarification for example would Banjo and Boron players be allowed? Come on how many other Pubs are they in Whitby? How long will it take us to drink them dry?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 03:40 PM

I'm sorry that the upstairs room appears to be at risk, but my point would be that it is a private room and if seen to be hired then virtually anything should be permitted

Ithink seaside landlord with proven track records in terms of beer sales and little or no trouble would/should have a case with the brewery regardless of 'policy'

We get rid of smoking, in my view rightly ~+ now we get rid of 'live' music, to what aim; it's not as if the folk music causes excessive music from loud pa's, really it does seem that CEOs of large companies live in cloud cuckoo land, where do they think shareholders derive their profit from, I hate to say it but they (CEOs +board have lost sight of the ball.
Ray Padgett (guest as I'm at home)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 01:21 PM

Whoa, Whoa...... hang about a minute.... it's not Gil who thought this idea up ..... stuff the Plough I THINK NOT, Gil and Denise have always been accomodating and supportive so if you want to have a go at someone fair enough, but DO NOT shoot the messenger

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Tyke
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 08:09 AM

Sounds like wanting the spice and the half penny to me. Is it a good idea for anyone to play in the Plough untill a change of policy comes from Sam Smiths? There are plenty of other Pubs in Whitby after all! Dose anyone else think that sending back the barrells of Real Ale from The Plough to the brewery after Folk Week is sending the right message to Sam Smiths Brewery? I do no matter how much I will miss the Plough Yard. It could be better to take our Money and Drink and play where we will be welcome all year don't you think?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 07:52 AM

Alice
When I had to move Market Rasen Folk Club to Walesby, it turned out to be the best thing since sliced bread.
Just keep looking forward and make your new venue a great big success which is the best way of saying ******* to the Plough
Good luck.
Les Worrall

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Club moves to new venue.
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 02:21 AM

That is of course very true (at least for the first night) - but it does not really address the problems causing all this needless and unwelcome uncertainty.