Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Nerd
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 11:59 AM

Don,

I'm in the US, where we don't have quite the same issues when it comes to folk in the media. We have our own challenges to be sure, but it's a different set.

Also, as you must know by now, threads are conversations, not a sequential set of responses to your original point. I was responding to Diane's suggestion that he was just "leaping on the bandwagon" because of his daughter. I think he's been a supporter for a long time, which, as you say, is a great thing.

So here I am, lining up to praise the worthy Mr. Edmondson!

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:25 AM

Don - I quite agree - does it matter if the music's good? No.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: squeezebox-kc
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:24 AM

He must be fair to play in with Maartin but he might be doing it just for the hell of playing for pleasure.
Eliza did folk no favours on Jules Holland last night

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 09:07 AM

BLOODY HELL!! Did nobody READ the first post of this thread?

I don't give a rat's arse, who got whom into folk music.

I just pointed out that folk music had at long last, and quite unexpectedly gleaned some positive comment on the mainstream media.

I am surprised, bearing in mind the paroxysms of screaming outrage we are accustomed to seeing whenever an advertiser sideswipes the genre for a cheap laugh, that there are not thousands of folkies lining up here to praise the worthy Mr. Edmondson for his display of good taste.

Still, nothing has EVER satisfied some on this forum.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Nerd
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 04:55 AM

Edmondson's love of folk music is not "leaping on the bandwagon" because of his daughter. He's been well-known as a folk-rock fan for ages. Over 20 years ago, he was directing videos for the Pogues and 10,000 Maniacs. In fact, Ella credits her dad with getting her interested in folk music, and giving her her first guitar. Seems Ade was the one who taught HER it's not all about sweaters, beards and pipes (though she DOES seem to like sweaters and cardigans well enough).

Ade's current band the Bad Shepherds, by the way, features Maartin Allcock and Troy Donockley, which makes me suspect he's good on that mando. But I haven't heard them, so I can't say for sure.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 03:52 AM

There's always that possibility, Tim, whenever you try to define "good", or "popular taste" (the "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" sort of thing). I think there are enough people with a solid critical ear in the particular genre we're talking about to be able to form an opinion as to whether the new brat pack have got musical legs - or whether their parents have, for that matter. :-)

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 06:41 PM

DOnt you think the mainstream veiw of what is "good"
May be slightly biased towards what the next crop of "little angels" can muster in the way of tallent,by the doting parents?

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 12:42 PM

Showbiz, in all its forms, is full of children piggybacking in one way or another on the fame or power of the parents. It was just the same at the Beeb 35+ years ago, and it's probably the same now. Nepotism. eh? Sod all I or you can do about it, and "if I had a million dollars, just one million to call my own", I might even indulge in something a little outré myself. But it wouldn't make a ha'porth of difference to whatever musical talent I might have. In the end, if Edmondson senior or junior are any good, then it will show; if not, it will show as well.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: selby
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 12:02 PM

Actually when Eliza and Nancy where going out together, when they where young girls ,they performed at our club Norma and Martin drove them, played full price on the door and Martin did a floor spot of two songs so there you go its happened already.
Keith

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 10:58 AM

Right. Raise you three liquorice allsorts, a stick of Edinburgh rock and (especially) a large handful of (aniseed) balls in this playground game that lacks any conprehensible rules.

Adrian Edmondson (as well as Jennifer Saunders) has made pots of dosh from writing so it's hardly a case of a struggling minstrel, more of a successful dilettante scriptwriter with time on his hands. What is surprising is not that he's doing what he does but that anyone is surprised that he is. If he didn't support the high-profile activities of his partner and daughter, they wouldn't have a lot to talk about around the breakfast table and probably wouldn't even live in the same house.

(I did hear a buzz that Eliza Carthy's dad is thinking of doing a few floor spots. What a chancer).

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: quokka
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 09:07 AM

I always had a soft spot for Vyvyen

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 05:03 AM

Who cares how or why. Lots of actors started off as musos - Charlie Higson and Ricky Gervaise are two obvious examples. Which particular bandwagon they jump on, if you want to use that phrase, is up to them and how they want to/are able to make a living. Both ways are pretty precarious at times, so good luck to Edmondson. In the end, the music will tell.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: GUEST,Fantum
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 03:48 AM

Not bothered about how or why the guy got into folk music just that he did

Very pleased to have another singer / player

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:55 PM

Recording idea:

Carrot juice and acid drops, they don't go together

(Apologies to Ms Carthy)

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:53 PM

Maybe they like acid drops too . . .

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:47 PM

I believe the family regularly attend the folk awards. They do like the music.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:37 PM

Er . . . that's a mandolin(e) for carrot chopping, not Ms Edmondson.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:36 PM

No, but they're jolly good for cutting up carrots.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Folkiedave
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:33 PM

And booked at festivals next year all ready.

Now there's a surprise.

She was at Shepley last year.

Jools Holland Show next at a guess.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: bubblyrat
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:32 PM

I would hesitate to call a mandolin a "folk" instrument !! If it IS, then it took a hell of a long time to get that way !

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:15 PM

Ella Edmondson is a well-known performer.
Strange you didn't know that.
Furthermore, her mother Jennifer Saunders - as writer of that sitcom crap about the WI - was instrumental in dragging the kRusby in to do the singing.
Thus it is altogether unsurprising that Dad Ade is leaping onto the bandwagon.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: skipy
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:12 PM

Hell's teeth, I thought it was about sweaters, beards and pipes!
Been getting it wrong for 37 years!
Skipy

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:08 PM

You really need to lay off the acid dops Diane, the bitterness is becoming boring.

Don T

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:02 PM

it is a misconception that folk is all about sweaters, beards and pipes

'Spose his daughter told him that.

Subject: RE: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 06:57 PM

Stands in for the late and much lamented ViV Stanshall of Bonzo.

Proper music

Subject: Folk gets surprise boost on BBC TV
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 06:54 PM

On BBC Television's One show tonight, Ade Edmondson, ex of "The Young Ones" and "Bottom" revealed that he is not acting at this time, having started his own band.

He explained that his band, "The Bad Shepherds" is a punk/ folk fusion band in the sense that it is punk music played on folk instruments (he plays mandolin, as well as guitar).

He went on to say that he loves folk music, and pointed out that it is a misconception that folk is all about sweaters, beards and pipes. He said he found it stimulating and exciting.

The most surprising apologist for the music we love, but God bless him for making the point in a mainstream program, at peak viewing time.

Dijit