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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Jim Carroll Date: 25 Jun 16 - 11:36 AM Walter Pardon's Broomfield hill includes these verses Then nine times did she go to the soles of his feet, Nine times to the crown of his head; And nine times she kissed his cherry-red lips As he lay on his green mossy bed. Then she took a gold ring from off of her hand, And put that on his right thumb, And that was to let her true love to know That she had been there and was gone. Then she took a gold ring from off of her hand And placed it on his right thumb; And that was to let her true love to know That his lady had been there and gone. Then nine times did she go to the crown of his head, Nine times to the soles of his feet; And nine times she kissed his cherry-red lips As he lay on the ground fast asleep. Walter described the number nine as "the witch's number" Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: FreddyHeadey Date: 25 Jun 16 - 09:16 AM and Number 9 came roaring down the hill The Runaway Train T'was in the year of '89 on that old Great Western line, When the winter wind was blowin' shrill, The rails were froze, the wheels were cold, then the air brakes wouldn't hold, And Number 9 came roaring down the hill -- oh! The runaway train came down the track and she blew, The runaway train came down the track and she blew, The runaway train came down the track, her whistle wide and her throttle back, And she blew, blew, blew, blew, blew. The engineer said the train must halt and she blew, The engineer said the train must halt and she blew, The engineer said the train must halt -- he said it was all the fireman's fault, And she blew, blew, blew, blew, blew. The fireman said he rang the bell and she blew, The fireman said he rang the bell and she blew, The fireman said he rang the bell -- the engineer said "You did like h***!" And she blew, blew, blew, blew, blew. The porter got an awful fright and she blew, The porter got an awful fright and she blew, The porter got an awful fright -- he got so scared he near turned white, And she blew, blew, blew, blew, blew. A donkey was standing in the way and she blew, A donkey was standing in the way and she blew, A donkey was standing in the way and all they found was just his bray, And she blew, blew, blew, blew, blew. The conductor said there'd be a wreck and she blew, The conductor said there'd be a wreck and she blew, The conductor said there'd be a wreck and he felt the chills run up his neck, And she blew, blew, blew, blew, blew. The runaway train went over the hill and she blew, The runaway train went over the hill and she blew, The runaway train went over the hill and the last we heard she was going still, And she blew, blew, blew, blew, blew. By Robert E. Massey http://www.poppyfields.net/poppy/songs/train.html |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Pete from seven stars link Date: 24 Jun 16 - 02:50 PM Jimi Hendrix , if 6 were 9 . |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Mo the caller Date: 02 Oct 13 - 04:49 AM Old thread. Azizi is not around here so much nowadays to start new ones. Numbers do have 'resonances' though not physically. They 'ring bells' and 'strike chords' in our minds. And As Azizi said further up the thread, what they mean depends on your origins and culture. To me 9 perhaps represents incompleteness. Petrol prices are quoted as 139.99p to avoid saying one pound 40 pence. I can remember when shops charged three and eleven pence three farthings (i.e. a farthing less than four shillings, which sounded a lot more). But trying to think of 9 songs & rhymes all I could come up with was Nine Taylors make a man. From my reading of Dorothy Sayers I gather that if a church bell was tolled 9 times it meant a man had died. May have been common knowledge when she was writing but not to me. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST Date: 02 Oct 13 - 12:22 AM "Old Rueben" as sung by Wade Mainer, has the line "Number 9 had a wreck". Both "Old Rueben" (Wade Mainer) and "If I Die a Railroad Man" (Tenneva Ramblers) have a verse like this: "If I die a railroad man You can bury me beneath the sand Where I can hear old number 9 As she goes by" Also, I recall "Engine engine number 9" as "Coming down Chicago line". I believe my aunt remembers it the same way. We both would have heard it in Southern California, her in the 1960s and me in the 1990s/2000s. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: NormanD Date: 15 Sep 11 - 01:19 PM Try "Number Nine Train" by Tarheel Slim & Little Annie for one of the best African-Americam rockabilly songs around http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGHtBJoiV7E |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 22 Sep 09 - 01:58 PM Thanks, GUEST,natascha for sharing your example of this rhyme. ** It would be great if people sharing examples of playground rhymes would include where they learned it (city & state if in the USA, city/nation if outside the USA); when they first learned it (decade like 1990s or year such as 2003), and the age & gender of those who sing or chant this rhyme (such as girls, or girls & boys). For the folkloric record, it would also be interesting to know your race/ethnicity. And it would be great if people would include how the rhyme is performed (such as handclap game, jump rope rhyme, or circle singing game.) Thanks! Ms. Azizi |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST,natascha Date: 22 Sep 09 - 11:22 AM Soul Sister number nine sock it to me one more time said: U- Ungawa we got the power said: U- Ungawa we got the power Little sally walker is walking down the street she didnt know what she do so she jumped in front of me she said:go on,girl,do your thing, do your thing, do your thing, go on, girl, do your thing, do your thing, STOP!! |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Sep 09 - 02:42 PM 1. You see me goin' down this track and I'm never comin' back. Next time you see me I'll be home. Make my bed and light the light, I'll be with you Monday night. 'Cause I'm nine hundred miles from my home. Hmm. It occurs to me that guys heading for home after ramblin' always arrive on a Sunday or a Monday. Does anybody else feel that way? I mean, who ever sang "I'll be with your Thursday night"? 2. There was a lady in the north and none could find her merrow. She was courted by nine gentlemen and a ploughboy lad from Yarrow. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 21 Sep 09 - 12:13 PM Here's a link to a YouTube video of the handclap rhyme "Soul Sister Number Nine": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvGia9u1McM -snip- That video is a clip from the 2003 American movie School of Rock starring Jack Black. That movie is about a down on his luck rock musician who impersonates a fifth grade substitute teacher at a prep school. Initially, the lead character just lets the children have "free time" to do what they want to in his class, but eventually he gets them interested in the history and performance of rock music. The poster of that YouTube video rachelarmstrong (January 24, 2008) included the words to that rhyme on the video clip screen shot. The words she gave are: Soul Sister Number Nine Sock it to me one more time Say Ungawa we got the power Say Ungawa we got the power Little Sally Walker's walking down the street She didn't know what to do so she jumped in front of me She said "go on girl, do your thing do your thing go on, girl do your thing, do your thing. Stop!! -snip- As a (friendly) ammendment to that transcription, I hear the two chanters saying "Say Unn Ungawa. We got the powa. Say Unn Ungawa. We got the powa." -snip- Here's the comment I posted on that video page: I loved watching that scene. As an African American folkIorist let me note that "soul sister:#9/ungawa Black power" date from at least the late 1960s in African American communities, and the "Little Sally Walker/walkin down the street" rhyme is also from African American girls, though I don't believe it's as old as "ungawa" etc. "Soul sister #9" rhyme (with "ah beep beep/wakin down the street") verse is usually a stand up partner handclap rhyme.& Little Sally Walker" is a circle game. -snip- Here's a link to another YouTube videos of that same rhyme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWbVAbCwc_M This clip is from the Philippines. The poster of that video clip ayrao7 (September 21, 2009) gave these words to that rhyme in her summary statement: "soul sister number nine stuck it to me one more time said un, ungawa, we got the power said un, ungawa we got the power little sunny walker walking down the street she don't know , what to do so she jump in front of me and said go on girl do your thing, do your thing,do your thing, said go on girl do your thing, do your thing, stop! -snip- This example has the following folk etymology substitues: "stuck it to me" instead of "sock it to me" and "little sunny walker" instead of "Little Sally Walker". For the folkloric record, in one reader comment I shared information about how the new "Sally Walker/walkin down the street" game is played in the USA. I shared information about the "original words". Hopefully, the poster won't think that I'm dissin her for her folk etymology substitutes. I'm not. I just thought she and other people might want to know what is most common form in the USA for those phrases. I think it's likely that these rhymes are being spread as a result of that "School of Rock" movie. It's interesting to see that these rhymes are being performed as handclap games instead of as circle/movement games. *"Sock it to me" may be most widely known as part of Aretha Franklin's 1967 R&B hit song "Respect". |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: pavane Date: 09 Apr 09 - 02:05 AM I am totally in favour of fun! |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 08 Apr 09 - 04:10 PM Oops! I see I wrote about that experience of the boy stretching that line earlier in this thread. Sorry about that. ** Here's an example of the number 99* from a thread that I just started on Yo Mama-Insults in songs & rhymes : Brick Wall Water Fall (Example #1) Brick wall waterfall boy/girl you think you no it all you dont i do so shh whith that Additude Your Mama your daddy your balled headed granny she 99 she thinks shes fine she going out whith frankinstine shes hip shes fat she needs a tic-tac not a tic not a tac but the hole six pack im sorry to be mean but she needs some listrine not a sip not a swallow but the hole bottle -Timothy, 2/2/2006; http://www.cocojams.com/taunting_rhymes.htm *"99" is double the pleasure, double the fun. Wouldn't you say, pavane? Okay. Sorry. I'm just "joshing" you. When I'm in a more serious mood, I'll try to interpret what you wrote about absolute systems and Newton's second law of motion. But I think it's probably beyond my un-mathematical mind. And anyway for now, well, there's a song that goes "Girls just wanna have fun". And sometimes guys do too because sometimes it helps to take a break from thinking about and dealing with heavy duty stuff. YouknowwhatImean? |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 08 Apr 09 - 03:56 PM Hello, Glenn. Thanks for sharing that verse about darling Clementine whose shoe size rhymes with her name (I suppose that wasn't a coincidence but I still think that was a dig on (insult directed toward)so called big footed women). Also, thanks for confirming that practice of changing how the person said that "out" part of "Engine Engine Number Nine" or another "choosing It" rhyme. I recall hearing a boy say something like "And you are not the one to be it" when he had in mind who he really wanted to be "it". This was in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania around 2007. I don't remember doing this when I was the one saying "Eenie Meenie Miney Mo" or some other elimination/choosing it rhyme when I was a child in Atlantic City, New Jersey in the 1950s. But I was such a good kid that I wouldn't have even thought about "cheating". :o) |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST,highlandman at work Date: 08 Apr 09 - 03:30 PM Fun thread, Azizi. Don't know how I missed it before. 2 comments: first, "Clementine" has another verse that goes Light she was, and like a fairy And her shoes were Number Nine; Herring boxes without topses Sandals were for Clementine. For a long time I wondered what Number Nine Herring boxes were, until someone mentioned that when punctuated as above it makes a little more sense. As in Size Nine. Second, as I recall using "Engine, Engine Number Nine" as a selection chant, the "out" line was quite variable. It was clear in my group of childhood friends that jimmying the number of letters in the "out" word, or not spelling it out, or interpolating "my mother says," etc., was rather expected, so that the chanter had the option of making the pick come out however he or she wanted. And for some reason (maybe we were all just follower-alongers) nobody ever seemed to object that this was "cheating," it just went with the game. Cheers -Glenn |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: pavane Date: 08 Apr 09 - 02:13 AM Azizi, Yes, you are correct, and there is nothing personal or confrontational intended. I am just commenting the quotes you provided from a book. No-one can FORCE anyone else to believe, though some are convinced they can, particularly religious organisations. You must make up your own mind, hopefully based on evidence. I was trying to establish what is the actual evidence for the statements above, and provide a balancing view based on real science. As it happens, the whole of the world of computing, including the internet which we are using to communicate our views, is based on the scientific view of frequencies, not numerological principles! |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 07 Apr 09 - 12:26 PM parvane, everyone has the right to post as he or she wishes to on this forum except when doing so in such a manner that is frowned upon by the site's founder/owner and moderators. If you like posting information on this thread or on another thread as you are doing, fine. But that information doesn't rock my boat. If anyone else wants to respond to you on this thread or elsewhere, so be it. Different strokes for different folks-or different numbers for...Darn! I can't think of a rhyme for "numbers". Well, anyway I think you get my drift. Best wishes, Azizi |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: pavane Date: 07 Apr 09 - 11:58 AM Just let me add a further analysis of one of the phrases quoted: "the vibrational frequency of the prime number (i.e. 11) doubles in power" "vibrational frequency" is understandable as an indication of how fast something is vibrating "prime number" is clearly a mathematical concept, used correctly to describe the number 11 doubles is clearly a mathematical concept So it is clear that the author intends this to be a statement of mathematical or scientific fact. Such an assertion requires evidence, particularly if it is to be used to make other inferences. You don't think so? What if I say "there are fairies at the bottom of my garden", or "I can get you a 20% return on your investment". Do you believe me, or expect some proof? Perhaps Madoff's investors should have asked for evidence! So the author claims that prime numbers vibrate. What evidence is cited for this? Has anyone else observed this phenomenum? What kind of sensor can be used? He also claims that the number 11 vibrates differently. If we understand him to mean that the FREQUENCY doubles, not the power, then How fast does a prime number vibrate in its natural state - which one or ones have been measured? Can anyone detect it or only the favoured few? If he really DOES mean to say that FREQUENCY doubles in power. we must say that this concept is meaningless, and could only be written by someone scientifically illiterate. Vibrations are measured in units of "cycles per time unit". Power is defined as energy per unit time. There is no power defined in a vibration frequency, so it cannot be doubled. The conclusion is that the author is trying to hide his ignorance by wrongly using the language of science, and deliberately trying to fool his audience. Is this someone you would trust? Alternatively, if the vibrations are the kind that the Beach Boys detected (Good Vibrations) then this is an alternative meaning of the word "Vibration" as "feeling", as in "Vibes", with no concept of frequency to be measured. In which case the language to describe them should not be mathematical. Footnote: Systems in which length (L), time (T), and mass (M) are taken as fundamental quantities are called absolute systems. In an absolute system force is a derived quantity whose dimensions are defined by Newton's second law of motion motion, the change of position of one body with respect to another. The rate of change is the speed of the body. If the direction of motion is also given, then the velocity of the body is determined; velocity is a vector quantity, having both magnitude and direction as ML/T2, in terms of the fundamental quantities. Pressure (force per unit area) then has dimensions M/LT2; work or energy (force times distance) has dimensions ML2/T2; and power (energy per unit time) has dimensions ML2/T3 |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 07 Apr 09 - 11:16 AM pavane, thanks for sharing. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: pavane Date: 07 Apr 09 - 10:47 AM numerology = pseudoscience (aka total crap) What is "a vibrational frequency of balance" supposed to mean? Can anyone explain it? "the vibrational frequency of the prime number doubles in power" Frequency has nothing to do with "power" or "energy". You can certainly double a frequency (make something vibrate twice as fast) as any TV engineer will confirm. And you can make a vibration more powerful. But you can't double the power of a "frequency". And if you don't mean the mathematical concept of frequency, then you should call it something different to avoid confusion. I doubt that the author of that phrase has ever heard of simple harmonic motion (a genuine mathematical description). "It represents male and female equality". Glad something does... Believe it all if you like, (plenty of people believe in all kinds of nonsense anyway, like astrology, scientology, even alchemy, I suppose) but there is nothing rational, logical or sensible behind it. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Jack Campin Date: 07 Apr 09 - 10:14 AM Nine inches please a lady. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 07 Apr 09 - 09:31 AM Still, even though number 11 is numerologically a "cool number", it's true that #11 isn't "hot" when it comes to the titles of books and the title of songs & rhymes. ** Since I was on that numerological website anyway, I decided to check out the information there about #9. Here's an excerpt of that information: "It is fitting that we now come full circle with the meaning of nine. Indeed, even the visual depiction of the Arabic "9" spirals in on itself to indicate the completion of a cycle.Nine's hold energy of attainment and completion, but with that closure, we understand we are also faced with renewal. There is no ending without a beginning (indeed the Latin word for nine is novem which shares its root with novus, meaning 'new')... Undertones of connection and completion rise to the top of our understanding when we consider the nine as a triplication of the ternary triad. Thus, the meaning of nine reflects three realms of experience (in no order): Body Mind Spirit Nine's further solidify the completion via evolution as evident in adding all of the numbers on our numerological journey through the Tarot: 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9=45…reduced: 4+5=9. Here we would find ourselves right back to the beginning. Furthermore, multiplication by nine always produces digits that add up to nine; more symbolism of that "all is one" concept - completion/connection..." http://www.tarotteachings.com/meaning-of-nine.html |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 07 Apr 09 - 09:20 AM Thanks to all who have shared examples and comments on this thread thus far. But I want to take a station break and share something about a number that needs no defenders-number eleven: I have books on numerology, but it's easier to share something from an online resource. Here's an excerpt about #11 from a website that provides information about a number of numbers: "The spiritual meaning of number eleven is quite diverse. The number 11 is thought of as a "master" number in numerology because it is a double digit of the same number. When this occurs - the vibrational frequency of the prime number doubles in power. Meaning, the attributes of the Number One are doubled. Therefore, the very basic and primary understanding of the Number One is that of new beginnings and purity. When we see this digit doubled as with the 11 - then these attributes double in strength. In numerology the number 11 represents: Higher ideals Invention Refinement Congruency Balance Fulfillment Vision The 11 carries a vibrational frequency of balance. It represents male and female equality. It contains bothsun energy and moon energy simultaneously yet holding them both in perspective separate-ness. Perfect balance... When we add 1+1 (eleven reduced) we get number two - which is also a balance number - Numeral two also deals with: Equality Justice Calm Kindness Tact Duality http://www.whats-your-sign.com/spiritualmeaningofnumbereleven.html |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: pavane Date: 07 Apr 09 - 07:20 AM Traditional, Nine times a night Recorded by Nic Jones Nic Jones : Unearthed Words can be seen at the Bodleian Ballad collection, maybe not quite the same: "nine times a night" |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Apr 09 - 03:13 AM Nine: A very powerful odd number for luck and magic; being 3x3 it multiplies the force of three and it is the number of months of pregnancy. Many curative charms, divinations and other magical procedures require words or actions to be repeated nine times, nine objects gathered, etc. Nine Maidens. Several groups of standing stones in Cornwall and Devon are called 'The Nine Maidens' or 'The Merry Maidens'. Supposedly, these were girls who were turned to stone for dancing on a Sunday; at Belsone, Devon, the piper was petrified too and the stones are said to dance every day at noon. Such tales are pan-European; they date from the Middle Ages to warn of judgements on sinners who disregard holy times or places. Both from - A Dictionary of English Folklore, Simpson and Roud. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: mg Date: 06 Apr 09 - 11:48 AM Did anyone say love potion #9. Nine times a night is a humerous song...anyone have the words? mg |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: topical tom Date: 06 Apr 09 - 11:44 AM A fun song "Running Moonshine on Highway Nine". |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 06 Apr 09 - 10:37 AM Azizi's question about songs with nine reminds me of something I have ruminated on before. That is, that some numbers are cool and some are not. Once, when I worked in a library, I opened the index 'Books in Print - Titles.' There were many, many titles that started with Ten and many, many that started with Thirteen (Halloween, etc) but there were only a handful that started with Eleven. Eleven is just not a cool number. Nine is a magical number, being 3 times 3. Ten is a technical number. Nine, I am sure, occurs more in fiction and legend, while ten occurs more in practical or technical writing. For example, how many lists do we see of the ten best of something? |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: BobKnight Date: 06 Apr 09 - 09:24 AM Old Tammy Wynette hit - "Apartment No.9" "Just follow the stairway to this lonely heart of mine, And you'll find me waiting, in apartment no 9." |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 06 Apr 09 - 09:03 AM Typo alert! I meant to type "you can spell witch'es that way"... |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 06 Apr 09 - 09:01 AM Thanks for your examples leeneia. I guess if you spell "Hallowe'en" (holy evening) where you're from you can spell "witch'es" way though I'm used to spelling "Halloween" like that and witches' (more than one witch 'possessing' something) like that. :o) And mg, somebody doing whatever nine times at night with (hopefully just) one of these these-well all I have to say is WOW! Just kidding. :o) I know that at least one 49er song is that same "Oh My Darlin' Clemantine". But I can't think of any others and I can't think of any song with the line "nine times at night". |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: mg Date: 06 Apr 09 - 02:06 AM Nine times a night. Lots of songs about the 49ers aren't there? |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 05 Apr 09 - 09:31 PM I've thought of two songs from opposite ends of a spectrum. The first is a hymn called 'The Ninety and Nine,' which is about Jesus' search for his hundredth lost sheep. The other is an old ballad, 'Willie's Lady.' In it, Willy's jealous mother has cast a spell on his bride. When the spell is removed, the mother cries "Who has undone the nine witch'es knots that I tied in her hair so fine?' Or something to that effect. Certainly there were nine knots. It's a great song for Hallowe'en. [is that how you spell witch'es? Suddenly it doesn't look right.] |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 05 Apr 09 - 08:59 PM Joe_F, thanks for posting that info about "Oh My Darlin' Clementine"'s shoe size. I guess once upon a time, women who wore size nine shoes were considered to have big feet. But I don't think that size is such a big deal nowadays. Fwiw, I wear size 9 1/2. :o) |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 05 Apr 09 - 08:56 PM Here's another example of "soul sister number 9" that I clipped from a post I wrote in this thread: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes I'll be. be Walking down the street, Ten times a week. Un-gawa. Un-gawa {baby} This is my power. What is the story? What is the strike? I said it, I meant it. I really represent it. Take a cool cool Black to knock me down. Take a cool cool Black to knock me out. I'm sweet, I'm kind. I'm soul sister number nine. Don't like my apples, Don't shake my tree. I'm a Castle Square Black Don't mess with me. [Source: John Langstaff, Carol Langstaff "Shimmy Shimmy Coke-Ca-Pop!, A Collection of City Children's Street Games & Rhymes {Garden City, New York, Double Day & Co; p. 57; 1973} |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Joe_F Date: 05 Apr 09 - 08:10 PM In addition, Clementine's shoes were no. 9. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 05 Apr 09 - 06:40 PM Guest 05 Apr 09 - 06:03 PM thanks for posting that updated version of the children's game song "Little Sally Walker". I've wondered why the soul sister in songs is always number 9 instead of number 8 or number 3 or some other number. Does anyone know? Also, thanks oldhippie for your contribution to this thread that I'd forgotten about. Keep more examples coming! :o) |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST Date: 05 Apr 09 - 06:39 PM Devil's Nine Questions (Child #1) |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: oldhippie Date: 05 Apr 09 - 06:32 PM Don't forget: Piano Man Its nine o'clock on a Saturday The regular crowd shuffles in There's an old man sitting next to me Makin' love to his tonic and gin... |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST Date: 05 Apr 09 - 06:03 PM soul sista number nine sock it to me one more time said umpf un-gowa we got the powa siad umpf un-gowa we got the powa. little sally walker was walkin down the street. she didn't know what to go so she jumped in front of me she said go on girl do your thang do your thang do your thang go on girl do your thang do your thang stop |
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Subject: Lyr Add: NINE POUND HAMMER (Merle Travis) From: GUEST,Joseph de Culver City Date: 23 Jul 08 - 11:28 PM This one has a couple: Nine pound hammer (merle travis) This Nine Pound Hammer, Is a little too heavy, For my side, baby for my side. I'm a-goin' to the mountain, Gonna see my baby. But i ain't comin' back, No. I ain't comin' back. Roll on, buddy, Don't ya roll so slow. How, can I roll, When my wheels won't go. Well. it's a long way to Harlan, It's a long way to Hazard, Just to get a little brew, Just to get a little brew. When I'm long gone, Don't you make my tombstone, Outta number nine coal, Outta number nine coal. some others: '96 Tears'-? and the Mysterians 'The One After 909'-The Beatles '99 and a Half Just Won't Do' |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: dj bass Date: 23 Jul 08 - 10:58 AM Libba Cotten's Freight Train: When I'm dead and buried deep Seen no more round Chestnut Steet Lay me down by that number nine I wanna hear that train go by dj |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Rowan Date: 22 Jul 08 - 07:04 PM CrazyEddie, would you be writing from the UK? I ask because I've encountered differences of understandings about magpies between the UK and the Oz countrysides. The ones in Oz can be aggressive during nest-building season (when testes make up 1/6th of the body weight of an adult male) but are usually solo or in pairs. Excepting the adolescents, when bands of them form and "hoon around the landscape" (seriously, their behaviour is just like adolescent people). In Oz, I've not heard the "One for sorrow..." applied to groups of animals. generally, let alone to magpies specifically. Which leads me to wonder (inquisitively) whether you're describing a family tradition or a regional one. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST,CrazyEddie Date: 22 Jul 08 - 08:54 AM Rowan, 20Jul08 06.15 "One for sorrow" etc. is used when you see magpies. You will rarely see very many, but I knew someone, who, if he saw a single magpye (Sorrow) would not go home until he had see another (Joy). I always thaough this was cheating, as i thought you needed to see whatever number together, not sequentially. Clementine: "Drove she ducklings to the water Every morning just at NINE Hit her foot against a splinter Fell inmto the foaming brine. Oh My Darling... |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 22 Jul 08 - 08:10 AM I went back and re-read this entire thread, and realize that I also owe an apology to semi-submersible for somehow confusing your Date: 21 Jul 08 - 08:19 AM question/comments about the origin & meanings of the word "sock" a comment from NeilD. Was it a full moon when this thread started? Or was Mercury in Retrograde? There must be some reason-besides my mind being scattered in all directions even more so than usual-for me making all these mistakes. Please accept my apology, semi-submersible. I'll try to be more careful from now on. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 22 Jul 08 - 06:57 AM Jay777, one of the problems with communicating on the Internet is that the written words can't convey inflections and it's difficult for people to convey nuances because people can't see each other's body language. Tn my opinion, difficulties with communication are multiplied on international forums such as Mudcat for a host of reasons. On a number of Mudcat threads people have talked about and given examples of how people in the US and people in Great Britain, Australia, and other English speaking nations-even the US and Canada-are sometimes "seperated by a common language". Before I started posting on Mudcat [and I wouldn't consider myself either a "newbie" or an "oldie" Mudcat member-I guess I'm an "inbetweenie" since I started posting as a guest in August 2004 and joined the following month-and Mudcat has been around since 1997]. But I digressed. What I was going to say was that before I started posting on Mudcat, I didn't realize that English speaking folks around the world not only have different slang/colloquial expressions, but that a person's culture of origin Jay777, let me try to be clear- I absolutely meant no ill will to you to say that you were "cheating" when you referred readers and fellow posters in this thread to the DigiTrad. I recognize that my use of that word was ill advised, and I'm sorry that I used it. My use of the word "cheating" refers back [in that in-group communication way, to my "primary" interest on Mudcat-children's playground rhymes. By using that word I was trying to evoke the "feel" of how a child may say that another child is cheating when that second child moves-even if it's just slightly-away from how the first child thinks a game should be played. Given all the difficulties with inter-group communication that I listed above, I now realize that it was a mistake to even jokenly refer to another person, especially one who I don't know, and who doesn't know me, as "cheating". For the record, all of the category threads that I start contain {and will contain} elements of lightheared fun {and games} and of serious research. Part of what I love about Mudcat threads is that a person never knows how people will interprete the presented topic of that thread, what tangential topics will be discussed on that thread, and what the general "feel" will be of that thread. I like to view threads as informal conversations. And I don't mind if the conversation goes off-topic, since {at least in my experience Ha! Ha! conversations have a tendency to go all over the place in real life and on this discussion forum}. As long as the conversation is interesting and I'm cool with it [in this context "cool" means I'll okay with it; it's fine with me]. Not that it matters what I feel, though I take believe being the thread starter does mean that a person has some responsiblility to that thread. To enumerate what I think those would be a whole 'nuther digression. So I'll leave that for another time. When I started this thread, I felt that the "vibe" on Mudcat was very somber, which was understandable given the tragedies and losses that several Mudcatters had just experienced. I started this thread, in part, to help lighten that somberness,even for a short while. It's therefore ironic that this thread is much more serious than I expected it to be. As the thread starter, I take responsibility for the confusion about whether this thread was meant to be fun or serious research. Let me therefore state for the record that it can be both. Jay777, you said that you are only HUMAN. It's nice to meet you. I am also human, although sometimes I've been known think of myself as a goddess. :o) Note: I don't really think I'm a goddess and I really don't want to be treated better than anyone else. I was only trying to be witty, which should show you that I'm not really good at witticisms. But I'm trying. And I think that's worth something. If we were in the same place Jay777, I'd ask that we shake hands and move on from this confusion. I hope that you would do that, and that we-you and I-and others will share some good times and some interesting information on this place that we call Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Jay777 Date: 22 Jul 08 - 04:20 AM Re your lengthy post of 19th July timed at 07.06 am, Azizi: I'm new to Mudcat, and hadn't realise that your original post was just a game. On re-reading it, I see you mention "fun and games", but I'd assumed you were genuinely seeking songs containing the number 9- silly me! My first post, re Fourpence a Day, was off the top of my head. I was trying to be helpful by later referring to the DT. I realise now you are an old hand at this forum, so didn't need to be referred to the DT, as a newbie might. I am sorry if you thought this was advocating "cheating". That was certainly not my intention; I just misunderstood the nature of the thread. I apologise for any offence, and if I spoiled this game for others. I'll try not to make any more mistakes, but hey- I'm only human (but NOT a cheat)! |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: Azizi Date: 21 Jul 08 - 10:20 PM Here's a CD that's bound to have at least one or two other Number Nine train songs: Railroad Songs and Ballads CD [Library of Congress} Price: $17.00 Availability: Usually ships in 3-4 business days. Product #: 21202052 -snip- Unfortunately, there's a notation that says it's out of stock. For the sake of the fokloric record, I'm taking the liberty to repost this CD's summary. Besides, if you stretched things a little bit {okay, a lot}, you could say the summary fits the theme of this thread because there's is a number nine included in it. {Hint-it's one of the years noted that the songs were collected}. "The history and the mystery of the railroad ring out from this 22-track collection of American railroad songs and music from the Archive of Folk Culture at the Library of Congress. Recorded by 16 different collectors between 1936 and 1959, the collection includes songs about the construction of the railroad and railroading as craft, as well as songs that tap the symbolic significance of the train. Train calls, track-lining chants, stories of famous train wrecks and instrumental train imitations are joined by spirituals using train imagery and folk descendants of popular compositions about the railroad. Mrs. Minta Morgan, vocals / Warde H. Ford, vocals / Henry Hankins, vocals / Aunt Molly Jackson, vocals / Blaine Stubblefield, vocals, guitar / Nobel B. Brown, vocals / Lester A. Coffee, vocals / Austin Harmon, vocals, banjo / Clarence H. Wyatt, vocals, guitar / Russell Wise, fiddle / Mr. White, guitar / The Ridge Rangers, stringband/ Mrs. Esco Kilgore, vocals / Will Wright, vocals / Merle Lovell, vocals, guitar / Jim Holbert, vocals / Joe Harris, vocals, guitar / Kid West, vocals, mandolin / 22 tracks on CD include: Calling Trains; The Boss of the Section Gang; Jerry Will You Ile that Car; Lining Track; Roll On Buddy; Way Out in Idaho; Oh, I'm a Jolly Irishman Winding on the Train; The Engineer; George Allen; The Wreck of the Royal Palm; Train Blues; The New River Train; The Train is Off the Track; Gonna Lay My Head Down on Some Railroad Line; I Rode Southern, I Road L. & N.; The Lightning Express; Railroad Rag; The Railroader; The T. & P. Line; The Dying Hobo; The Big Rock Candy Mountains; I'm Going Home on the Morning Train" http://www.loc.gov/shop/index.php?action=cCatalog.showItem&cid=13&scid=70&iid=868 |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: GUEST,Meadowmuskrat Date: 21 Jul 08 - 02:59 PM Billy Ed Wheeler's Coal Tattoo also references the #9 coal, whatever that designation means? |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: semi-submersible Date: 21 Jul 08 - 12:00 PM "Give sock" meant "thrash"? I wonder if there was any conflation of "sock" with "sack" in a military or industrial context in the early 19th century (sack of a conquered town, sackcloth for rough use)? I understand "sack" is current schoolyard slang meaning to deliver a blow - to the scrotal area, that is. "Sock" as footwear could conceivably be influenced by "stocking," though probably not derived from it since it would be hard to lose a "t" in mid-syllable. |
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Subject: RE: Number Nine In Songs & Rhymes From: topical tom Date: 21 Jul 08 - 11:38 AM My memory finally kicked in! The true title is Tennessee Central Number Nine |
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