BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 11:34 PM

The story goes that in Europe during the war, Eisenhower had an affair and was serious enough about it to tell his superior that he was planning to get a divorce so he could marry her. It was his superior who told him he'd halt his career cold if he dis something so rash.

Soldiers, prospectors, prisoners- I don't blame any of them if they don't stay 'true' to their loved one at home. That really is one time when it has nothing to do with her. IMO

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 09:53 PM

But to say something positive:
If Kerry doesn't do anything it'll be an improvement. Bush has done nothing but damage.

If he can undo some of Bush's damage, that'll be fine, and if he can do some good it'll be superb.

As the years go by I see more and more to admire in Eisenhower. There's a lot to be said for a president who doesn't do any damage. Cheated on his wife, of course.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 05:05 PM

"Americans that are against the war are inadvertently helping them. This is also prolonging the war and causing more American casualties."

That is a lie; it's a device to use fear to supress dissent.

"Bush had the guts to do something about the Saddam problem. Most Americans were gung ho until the various Democratic candidates started picking bush's efforts apart. Somehow they have made Bush the villain and redirected our hatred from Saddam to him."

Well, I thought "bait & switch" even before I heard any Democratic candidates remarks.

And the Saddam problem was no more pressing than the Korea problem. Or the Iran problem. A preventative war -- attacking a country because of what they might possibly do -- is essentially lynch law. We were obviously more of a threat to Iraq than they were to us; would that have justified an Iraq attack on the US?

Where's Osama?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 04:37 PM

Bush's approach to defeating terrorism was to attack a nation that was not engaged in the support of terrorism internationally, Iraq, and to fail to defeat the one network idfentified as having a key role in international terrorism, Al Quaeda.


It was Bush and Company's arm-waving about Iraq, and not Iraq itself, that frightened Americans and got them to support war on false pretenses. See any thing treacherous about that? I do.

In attacking Afghanistan we intelligently used local uprisings to overthrow the Taliban, and we did catch some al Quaeda members here ands there. But we SURE as hel didn't get no six billion dollars worth of damn results in attacking terrorism, no two ways about that.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 04:21 PM

The old guy said upthread "why change horses in midstream?"

Because the country is drowning, idiot, and your embarrassment-in-chief, with a big greedy grin on his face, rode his braying ass directly into that stream, where the current is fastest and the water is deepest.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Peace
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 04:14 PM

Ketchup--Oil

Ketchup--Oil

I wonder which side has more personal investment to protect. And I wonder why the Old Guy confuses Mrs Kerry with Mr Kerry?

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 03:53 PM

One of the things that electing John Kerry will do is bring a whole different crowd of people into government. Have you noticed that thinking people attract thinking people? Have you ever taken note of the fact that people who are willng to look outside their own prejudices and people who are action-oriented, quick-answer re-actors tend not to have much in common?

Cowboy Bush, with his simplistic 'bring 'em on' mentality has been an excellent foil for mission-driven, power-mad people intent on re-making the world into the model they perceive as being the best
platform for "their kind". To them, a great deal of money will never be enough; to them, a great deal of power will never be enough; to them, the only ones who really matter are their own kind.

T'row da bums out.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 01:36 PM

Old Guy, the idea is to eliminate our dependance on oil altogether. Then we won't have to worry about hostile countries using it as a weapon against our economy. We can drastically reduce our dependance on Middle Eastern oil right now if we start using common sense conservation measures. And that would be the truly 'conservative' thing to do.

What Mr. Bush and his oil buddies are doing is to promote the most wasteful oil consumption practices possible because it makes them even more obscenely wealthy than they already are. They don't care whether or not my son gets sent to Iraq to get killed in the process of securing Iraqi oil resources, as long as they continue to get richer in the process.

None of this is necessary. We are already in a position to be able to drastically reduce our dependance on foriegn sources of oil, right now. We have the technology. All we need to do is to do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 01:29 PM

No Offense, Old Guy... but you sound a lot like a scratchy old 45 of Duke Ellington to me... ;^)

Stand up and be counted... and don't let 'em spoon feed you anymore!
Good Luck! ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 01:18 PM

"Whatever he does, he will be a LOT more open than Bush was, a lot more honest, and a lot less owned by high-dollar corporate interests."

Can you be a little more specific?

This underscores my point about Kerry supporters. Their main reason for voting for Kerry is Kerry is not Bush.

Bush has a lot of faults. I don't like his support of illegal aliens. I don't like his tax cut for the top income earners and some other things but I do like his overall strategy on defeating terrorism. Terrorism is our most immediate problem right now. We should support him in this and raise hell with him to change his position on the others.

Kerry does not comment on the illegal alien situation because he needs Hispanic votes. He vows to increase taxes on the wealthy which I am in favor of but I suspect with him and his wife being in that category that this is an election strategy that will not become reality.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:57 PM

Whatever he does, he will be a LOT more open than Bush was, a lot more honest, and a lot less owned by high-dollar corporate interests.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:39 PM

"Go on Kerry I hope you win and get that shit Bush out."

So what is Kerry going to do?

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:32 PM

I just wish Blair, Bush and Howard and all their followers/friends would just shut up, and leave the rest of us in peace.
Because Blair/Bush and Howard don't want peace in the world.
I know that bastard that ruled Iraq is gone, and that's a good thing, how could you vote for Blair for example and yet be members of the CND, or Bush or Howard and want world peace when all they want is war.
It's either one or the other, you can't serve two masters.

Go on Kerry I hope you win and get that shit Bush out.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:20 PM

The question of where the oil is going to come from is purely that. Have you thought about it. I am worried about what will happen when terrorist regimes are in control of the majority of oil producing nations. Oil will be held as ransom and the world will suffer terribly, economically for however long it takes to switch to different energy sources.

Bush wants to plant a seed of Democracy in the middle east in hopes that it will spread to the neighboring countrys. Syria and Iran are fueling the insurgency. Americans that are against the war are inadvertently helping them. This is also prolonging the war and causing more American casualties.

Bush had the guts to do something about the Saddam problem. Most Americans were gung ho until the various Democratic candidates started picking bush's efforts apart. Somehow they have made Bush the villain and redirected our hatred from Saddam to him.

If people would do a little searching on what has been uncovered so far in the investigation of the corruption in the oil for food program, it might open their eyes a little. It shows that the countries that were most involved in the corruption were the one that were most opposed to removing Saddam. It also shows how some of that money ended up in the hands of terrorist organizations.

The reason I posted this topic to begin with is because I saw Kerry arrogantly saying that Alawi was not telling the truth. I pissed me off something fierce. Here is this person that is asking people to vote for him trying to drown any hope that democracy might succeed in Iraq and doing it solely for the purpose of being elected. He paints a picture of gloom and doom and that is what he will bring to the American people.

I am not trying to repalce peoples thought with my own. I am trying to stimulate people into thinking deeper into the future and make sure they are drawing the right conclusions.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:00 PM

If we make an effort to conserve our oil resources instead of wasting them irresponsibly as we are doing now, we won't need to send our sons and daughters to fight and die in countries like Iraq for our right to drive Hummers. That's one thing I think Kerry would do better than Bush. If I were the president, the first thing I would do would be to go out and buy a hybrid car and encourage all patriotic Americans to do the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 11:30 AM

Old Guy:

The question of where oil is going to come from is no rationalization for the invasion of    Iraq unless you believe that unilateral warmongering to grab desirable real estate is still a defensible policy among nations. Most people think it went out of fashion several hundred years ago, more or less.

As for suitability, if the choice is really between George Bush and John Kerry, I would imagine that Kerry's leadership ability is as well proven as Bush's ever was, and more than it was before he bullied his way into the White House. Since that time Bush has demonstrated the leadership style of a bully. I think it only reasonable to see whether Kerry can do better and certainly see no reason to expect he cannot.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 11:12 AM

"in the absence of anyone better" Expalins my whole point. No one is questioning the suitability of Kerry as President.

The Kerry supporters are ABBs anybody but Bush people. Examine Kerrys record. What is his kikely course of actions to run the US? You can't tell because he changes his position often.

When he was up against Dean He was pro war because dean was anti war. Now he is pro war. He takes whateve4r position he thinks is necessary to get elected. Then what? WIll he win the support of the Russians, Chinese, French or Germans? Schoder has already said no.

Please remember that these countrys an contractors from these countys were all benefiting from money skimmed off of the oil for food program by Saddam. Then After the invasion they wanted to profit from the rebuilding.

Where is the oil going to come from in the near future before it becomes obsolete?

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 01:08 AM

OK, old guy... I guess my 'fridge magnet' poetry doesn't do it for you then... ;^)

I'll be more direct.

Staying the course.
If you remember, the wepons inspectors were 'the course' back before the war, and almost all of the world's industrial powers were wholly behind them... and Saddam was under the ire and scrutiny of the world. The US was the recipient of a declaration of war by Al Qaida, and we were attacked by Al Qaida. The US is at war with the terrorist network Al Qaida...
George Bush did not stay the course in this war with Al Qaida. He changed the subject to Iraq, and diverted billions of dollars of taxpayer money (one billion a week, these days) and hundereds of thousands of military personel to a dangerous and angry Iraq. Many Countries around the world have since stopped giving us their ungrudging support, and the US is 'going it alone', for the most part... because of Bush's cavalier attitude towards the waging of an unprecidented (and unnecessary for the purpose of US national security) preemptive war.
Contractors from all over the world submitted bids for the renovation and rebuilding of Iraq... but the overwhelming majority of them were turned away without any consideration. This did not encourage any multinational support either... and just flat out pissed off a lot of our allies.

If we are to encourage Democracy in a country that has never know it, war is the least likely method to be successful. Punitive sanctions are also ineffective... and the rise of fascism in '30's Germany is arguably the result of such measures.
Kerry understands these things, and this is why I support him wholeheartedly. In order to bring about a Democracy from the ashes of tyranny, the world must democratically be involved in the process, and the lasting relationships needed for a healthy Capitalist market system can begin their development.. A Democracy needs to be created from within the social structures of the country... and cannot be imposed by one isolated superpower... It just doesn't work that way. The only real chance Iraq has for Democracy, is through the honest and well intentioned efforts of a world wide coalition... The shared efforts of multinational cooperation can stimulate it's own reflection in the new Iraqi society base. Also, a broad well supported coalition... with shared initiatives, goals, and peacekeeping efforts... diffuses the hatred directed towards the US. Not only will the US have to play by the rules... thereby engendering less selfrighteous anger in Iraqis... but also, and moreso, the many powerful Democracies around the world are an awesome force when they band together... way more than the sum of their military mights.

Kerry understands this. Bush seems to be allergic to it.
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Nerd
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:54 AM

Old Guy: It's obvious you are a troll because you haven't been around long enough to know we have had several threads in the last few weeks of good things about Kerry and why his supporters want him to win, that have nothing to do with attacking Bush. Forgive us for not re-posting everything we wrote in those threads here, but your obnoxious way of asking the question makes us feel it's not worth the effort.

When you come in to our forum here, saying "none of you ever address this issue," when we have in fact had whole threads on it, you show that you may in fact be an arrogant asshole yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Denny
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:54 AM

................and in light of all that:
I am sure that Old Guy will see my last comment as a compliment while others would see it as an insult.
In truth I am a Canadian who knows dick all about Kerry, but I have seen enough of Bush to determine his spot in the lower anatomy. Not only is he an asshole but also a moron, and in such a powerfull position that is a danger to the whole damn world.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:46 AM

I reject your explicit and imp[licit assertions, Old Guy.

I have already explained why. You have dismissed my explanation. I suggest you are projecting -- who aside from the administration did not care about the blood spilled in Iraq? I don't think there has ever been a war so widely protested against and undertaiken in spite of the protestations.

Give me one feggin' break.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:45 AM

Here's a question I can answer:

Where is the oil to be consumed going to come from 10 and 20 years from now?

20 years from now, petroleum will already be well on its way to becoming obsolete as a major source of energy for the US and the rest of the world, if it is not already completely obsolete by that time. So the question is entirely irrelevant to this discussion. Plus, I can't really see what the question has to do with whether or not Kerry is an arrogant asshole anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:36 AM

*grin*...and it gets deeper everyday.

Old guy...I'm too sleepy to explain right now how your 'questions' are rhetorical devices which assume an answer in their very formulation....you sound like Joe Scarborough and Rush Limbaugh....

maybe tomorrow...

(and the ex-ruler of Iraq is Saddam, with *2* Ds)....no, it is not that important in itself, but it is the kind of error often made by those who don't care for accuracy in other things)

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:36 AM

I think the communication problem between many posters on this thread and Old Guy is that Old Guy seems to think he gets to define all of the parameters of what's what. Since most of the posters to this thread don't seem to accept Old Guy's parameters, he thinks they haven't responded to his points or questions, when in fact, they have, only according to their own parameters (and definitions) of what's what.

Old Guy, I am not a Kerry supporter, but I find that I do not accept any of your basic premises as you've stated them here in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Denny
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 12:22 AM

Judging from the way that"Old Guy" analizes the response to his original post it would seem that he has about as much grey matter as his illustrious leader.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 11:35 PM

Thanks, BillD, for the great rendition of Big Muddy!

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 11:05 PM

Like I said, Kerry supporters do not have the capability of following their proposed course of action through to the end. They cannot support Kerry except by attacking Bush.

(No rebuttal except attacks on Bush)

Where is the oil to be consumed going to come from 10 and 20 years from now?

(No answer except for a question)

No one has denied that Kerry is an arrogant asshole that alienate US allies and snuggles up with our enemies and non allies.

(one denial, one areement and a guess so)
(no response on Kerrys friendlyness with non allies and enemys except for a question about the definition of same)

I assert that the Democratic Party's constant negativity on the war in Iraq is costing American lives, The Democrats know it but they do not care. They do not care if American casualties are higher if it helps them get elected. They want to win at any cost.

(absolutely no response to this so it must be true)

If the American people would show a unified commitment to the war against terrorism the violence would abate sooner.

(no rebuttal except for an english lesson. Call it anti-jihad or whatever but it is the act of eliminating terrorists)

No doubt the responses to his will be attack on Bush and not a defense of Kerry.

(The only support of Kerry was that bush is worse)

Lets hear How Kerry will do the job. Something besides Kerry will do a better job. How will he do a better job. What will be the end results if Kerry is elected?

(I didn't see a thing about what Kerry is going to do)

What would be the current state of affairs in Iraq if the inspectors never found anything and we had never gone to war?

(The only responses were that all the things that happened since then would not have happened. Very logical.

Would the US and the UK still be flying over the north and south of Iraq and being shot at while trying to enforce a UN resolution?

Would Sadam still be skimming money from the oid for food program, building palaces with bunkers while Iraqis suffer?

Would there still be money skimmed from the oid for food program endin up in the hands terrorist groups?

Would officials and businessmen from Russia, France Germany and the UN still be lining there pockets with money skimmed from the oil for food program?

Would Sadam still be seeking nukes and other WMDs?

Would Sadam still be torturing and murdering thousands of civilians every year?)

This is all food for thought.

People seem to have forgotten how it was before we toppled the Sadam regime. They seem to be redirecting their anger towards Bush.

Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 06:16 PM

Saddam is history and they are all better off

Particularly the thousands upon thousands of dead ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 03:40 PM

Standing right up to the tyranous twit
Is a Kerry a-wearing his mask and a mit
But fielding the liars' 'down the line' fouls
Takes sequitor patience, not svinctorless bowels...

For gone are the rules, the economy's wasted
The courts are now stacked, the liberals... baisted
Now nothing is sacred, but bullying means
As the totallitarian tweeks what he gleans

Neo-cons righteously plan dirty tricks
While'st hiding immorals betwixt nervous ticks
Their 'Christians' aslapping your studious cheeks
Much prefer boneheads to farthinking geeks

As sabotauge reigns 'or their 'mood for the day'
'sBeen week after week, Tis still no fair play
Bankrupting the country is no more fair game
Than what thugs in the thirties, did for their fame

Kerry's got guts, to stand strong in this storming
His backbone is sturdy, 'sresolve is heartwarming
Liars don't flip-flop, they just escape doubt
By 'staying the course', no reason's about

'Lowering the bar' is is a cultural flop
Opening minds is our path to the top
The Bush White House plunders wellbeing for gain
While most of us want to start over again...

The distigushing factors, their dubious gain
From an impluse to hurt, and to cause others pain
And this fine reward is for coveting riches
You know the kind... the boylymen bitches...
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 02:25 PM

Old Guy,

It may be that attacking Bush is very much part of their plan of action, since he deserves to be attacked. They may be following through perfectly well on a plan to bring down Bush by supporting Kerry, in the absence of anyone better.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 02:21 PM

Dueling Bouzoukis,

With all due respect, your profound insight about war has been obscured by a grammatical confusion of some importance.

There is no reason you cannot declare war against a noun -- Germany, Japan, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics are all nouns. The Taliban is a noun.

But to declare a war that can never be won, try declaring war on a condition such as drugs, badness, irritability, fanaticism, terrorism, left-handedness, or liberalism. No go. Conditions have no center. They have no concrete thing to define when a war begins or ends. Grammatically, these words are all nouns (or noun-like) but they cannot be the object of a meaningful declaration of hostilities.

The reason, of course, is that the set is completely unbounded and could range from 1 to an infinite number of persons, animals, objects, etc. which subscribe to the condition. Attributes and conditions do not fight. Only a flatulent idiot would try to declare war on one!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 02:20 PM

Like I said, Kerry supporters do not have the capability of following their proposed course of action through to the end. They cannot support Kerry except by attacking Bush.

Where is the oil to be consumed going to come from 10 and 20 years from now?

Are you saying, Old Guy, that you believe this war was about oil, then?

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 02:17 PM

And, Little Hawk, I prefer jOhn's 'Blar Blar Blar'. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 01:58 PM

LOL! Agreed, Denny.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Denny
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 01:51 PM

I'll try then to explain this without the old cliche .
If you take a polecat by the throat, holding him while you blast him away with a 12 guage shotgun, you will kill the polecat.
However, you may also have blown off a few fingers and made one hell of a stinking mess. You then demand of your friends that they are expected to help clean up after your action.
In retrospect, you have killed the damn polecat, but the cost was high in fingers and friends and the woods are still full of polecats. Now what do you do. To continue to kill polecats using this tried and proven method may not be the best plan. Anyone short of a total idiot would search for another way.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 01:34 PM

"Those who don't learn from old sayings are doomed to repeat them." :-) And they frequently do so in order to support an already spurious line of reasoning!

The average tired old saying, in fact, can be trotted out with equal facility by people on EITHER side of a fierce debate...and frequently is.

It's very silly, but that won't stop people from doing it.

Example:   "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

That saying can be used to justify invading Iraq (by referring to the onetime need to fight Nazi Germany)...OR...to support the idea of not invading Iraq (by referring to the debacles suffered in numerous unsuccessful wars of occupation, such as the Vietnam War or Britain's onetime occupation of Iraq, which failed miserably).

Blah! Blah! Blah! That's about all these old sayings amount to when they issue from the mouth of a biased person with an ax to grind.

They're like a gun. Anyone can pick it up and aim it in any direction he wants to. Doesn't prove a darned thing about who's right and who isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 01:28 PM

all together now, sing it

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: kendall
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 01:08 PM

So, we should all get behind Bush and loudly declare that he is doing the right thing even though most of us know he is dead wrong? What kind of lunacy is that?
President Johnson kept sending our people to their deaths in Viet Nam even when he KNEW the war was lost! He admitted it to McNamara, and it was on tape. I will be damned if I will support this asshole in Iraq. He is DEAD FRIGGIN' WRONG.
"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is not just a tired old saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Chris Green
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:26 PM

1) "Kerry is a total disaster who thinks he knows everything." Bush, however, is a total disaster who patently knows nothing. If I were an American I know which one I'd vote for.

2) "If the American people would show a unified commitment to the war against terrorism the violence would abate sooner." With the greatest of respect to your advancing years, my dear sir, bollocks!I can't work out why people like you haven't learned by now THAT YOU CANNOT DECLARE WAR ON A NOUN! "The war on terrorism" is yet another soundbite put out by those in power to make us believe that they are doing something when in fact they are doing sweet effay. Witness "the war on drugs", "the war on poverty" etc. Look around you, man! Have they worked? It would appear not....

3) "Who cares? Saddam is history and they are all better off." Apart from, presumably, the poor little sod who had both his arms blown off in the air raid at the start of the war and the thousands of Iraqi civilians who are now pushing up daisies. Oh, and the allied troops that have been killed. And the hostages who've been beheaded. I'd be interested to learn how you arrived at this asinine conclusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Denny
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:14 PM

The USA must examine carefully what it terms it's allies and not confuse the term with "friends".
Countries such as Canada and Mexico are the closest friends that the USA has but stand apart from you in this conflict. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Remember Viet Nam..........
If Kerry is an asshole, and that may be so, remember that an asshole is necessary to control the flow of shit. At this time there is little flow control from the White House!

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:03 PM

No one has denied that Kerry is an arrogant asshole that alienate US allies and snuggles up with our enemies and non allies.


I deny it. Those statements are false, distorted and misleading. In fact I would suspect arrogant assholery to be the nature of anyone who would forward such transparent and patently contrived propoganda. How desperate do you have to be to go to such immopral extremes.

As for arrogance, I would suggest that overthrowing our commitments to our fellow nations (Tokyo), spiting and humiliating the United Nations, unilateral warfare and continuous deception of the American populace all qualify as extremely arrogant. I would say that attacking a genuine fighting man with a genuine war record on false and distorted grounds concerning his war record is extremely arrogant. I would say that to do so while one has, oneself, fled every physical confrontation and avoided military saervice to be not only arrogant but hypocritical and immoral.

And you would vote for this? I wouldn't by a used car from this arrogant flaming Resident asshole.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Nerd
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 11:55 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 11:36 AM

Like I said, Kerry supporters do not have the capability of following their proposed course of action through to the end. They cannot support Kerry except by attacking Bush.

Where is the oil to be consumed going to come from 10 and 20 years from now?

No one has denied that Kerry is an arrogant asshole that alienate US allies and snuggles up with our enemies and non allies.

I assert that the Democratic Party's constant negativity on the war in Iraq is costing American lives, The Democrats know it but they do not care. They do not care if American casualties are higher if it helps them get elected. They want to win at any cost.

If the American people would show a unified commitment to the war against terrorism the violence would abate sooner.

No doubt the responses to his will be attack on Bush and not a defense of Kerry.

Lets hear How Kerry will do the job. Something besides Kerry will do a better job. How will he do a better job. What will be the end results if Kerry is elected?


Old Guy

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: GUEST,Al Prufrock
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 07:43 AM

Hey-a T S Elliot fan

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 07:00 AM

look I've been following this tedious argument of insidious intent for a few weeks now.

Its quite obvious both sides can't argue without descending to the level of abuse.

So heres a constructive idea.

Choose the one with the longest willy to be president..

You could place bets on the outcome and do a telethon fundraiser from maddison square gardens. maddonna as the referee.

If its a dead heat you could do an eliminator rounds , who can pee the highest, and who could do the longest turd, the loudest fart.

Till you get a worthy winner.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: kendall
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 04:47 AM

If there is a more arrogant asshole in this world than Bush, point him out.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:15 PM

Giest 5:26 we have no reason to believe that anything would have changed in Iraq if it had not been invaded- Saddam would have continued on the way he'd been doing for 30 years and another couple hundred of Iraqis would have died through his whims.

The difference is that 1,030 Amereicans would not have sprayed their life's blood on Iraqi soil, thousands of Americans would not be mourning the loss of their husbands, wives, children and parents, thousands more of Iraqis would still be alive, there still might not be reliable electricity and water but the buildings in Iraq would be intact and most Iraqi families would be able to ignore their leader's foibles in the mundane pursuit of their daily lives. And the USA would not be held in righteous contempt by most of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Peace
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 08:02 PM

. . . and once upon a time in the Sahara Forest . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 07:54 PM

Hitler "stayed the course" in Russia too...have you ever yet heard any politician admit that a war he launched was a mistake? You never will.

Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 06:30 PM

"What would be the current state of affairs in Iraq if the inspectors never found anything and we had never gone to war?"

well, what would be the state of Japan if we hadn't bombed them? What would be the state of Germany if it hadn't been so cold on the Russian front in '43?...who knows? We simply can't answer rhetorical question like that. EVERYONE knows by now that the way this war was planned and conducted was a mistake, but Bush totally refuses to do anything but blather about "staying the course"....like Vietnam, perhaps? Until he has to resort to a draft? Until we have offended the last ally and the last 3 Muslims who were supporting us? Until soldiers flatly refuse to go over there and be blown up, not by other soldiers, but by guys in old cars who simply don't LIKE us being in the country?
   "What if they gave a war, and nobody came?"

I DO know that we'd have about $100,000,000,000 more in the bank and 10s of thousands fewer bodies (some ours, some theirs...some with heads, some without).

Kerry has been in a war....I suspect he can answer some of my questions better than our fearless sometime National Guard member...