Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: CarolC Date: 24 Sep 04 - 06:25 PM Who cares? If I were to guess about who cares, I would guess that the Iraqi people care. And I think I would let the Iraqi people be the ones to decide whether or not they consider themselves to be better off. Isn't that what "spreading democracy" is supposed to mean? |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Nerd Date: 24 Sep 04 - 06:19 PM The difference is this: Cheyney's job before being vice president: CEO of Halliburton Teresa's connection to Heinz: she was married to a guy who was descended from the founder of the company, but never worked for the company or owned it. She has, essentially, NO connection to Heinz as a company, except that some of the foundations she runs have a tiny bit of stock in heinz among their portfolios. You're either ignorant or dishonest, old guy! |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Bobert Date: 24 Sep 04 - 06:03 PM Tell ya what, Mertin, my friend: Given the complete clusterf**k that Bush has created in not only Iraq but the entire MiddleEast, I'd rather have the old puppet still in control than the new one who without a perminent US military presence can't prevent an all out civil war in Iraq. Yeah, Saddam mighta been a bad man but he was our bad man until the US demoted him from puppet/friend to puppet/bad man. All he ever wanted from the US was an occasional visit from a cabinet member and a pat on the back. Any US president since Gulf I could have picked up the phone and had Saddam in his back pocket but that wouldn't have played well to the neocons who would have turned on that president. Now we have a new puppet and an occupation which is looking more and more like Vietnam every day. As fir folks not hearing about the negatives of John Kerry? Give me a break. The Repub media and the Repubs themselves pound on Kerry on a dily basis. What I find funny is they start out sayin' that Kerry is the most consistent liberal in the Senate and then call him a flip-flopper??? Go figure??? Don't take the Wes Ginny Slide Rule to see that these two positions are opposite so one of them must be a lie. Hmmmmm? Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Peace Date: 24 Sep 04 - 05:52 PM "Can any of you monday morning quarterbackers finish a chain of thought trough to a possible end outcome?" Yes, most can, Old Guy. However, it would likely not be the end you envision. It seems that for you Bush should be elected because the nation is on a horse in midstream and somehow Catsup and oil are equal in your mind. "What is the connection between Haliburton and Cheney and how does it compare with the Heinz / Teresa Heinz Kerry connection?" To answer this, it doesn't compare at all. The US did not invade Iraq to get strategic positioning for a tomato crop. And it's Mrs Kerry who has the Heinz connection. It is the VICE PRESIDENT who has the Haliburton connection. And he advises Bush, because Bush is too ill-informed to advise himself. See you Tuesday. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST Date: 24 Sep 04 - 05:26 PM To the people defending Heinz: What is the connection between Haliburton and Cheney and how does it compare with the Heinz / Teresa Heinz Kerry connection? Does Heinz outsource? Is there another company that can do what Haliburton does? Why pick apart a company doing a difficult job. I never see Kerry supporters carrying there "shouldas" to the end. Should have let the inspectors do their job. Then what? Should not have gone to war in Iraq. Then what? What would be the current state of affairs in Iraq if the inspectors never found anything and we had never gone to war? Can any of you monday morning quarterbackers finish a chain of thought trough to a possible end outcome? The problem with Democratic supporters is that they don't think things through. They are too idealistic and not practical thinkers. A recently free press in Iraq publish a long list of names of people who received oil vouchers from Sadam during the oil for food program. They were like coupons that gave a discount on a certion amount of oil. They could be sold to oil traders in the lobby of the hotel where they were issued for millions of dollars. Officials of several US non coalition allies were on that list. One name was the UN administrator of the oil for food program. There were supporters of Al Qaeda on that list. Thus money that was skimmed from the Iraqui oil for food program ended and is still ending up in the hands of terrorists and in the pockets of officials of countries opposed to the war in Iraq. Does this make you think beyond the next rock you are about to hurl at Bush? Old Guy All |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Bill D Date: 24 Sep 04 - 05:04 PM some of 'them' are better off. Others of 'them' are dead and have little electricity and no jobs.....and 'we' have destabilized Iraq and have them vieing for the job Saddam held, despite the efforts of a few to hold elections. We shall see how THAT works. The world as a whole is NOT better off, due to the bass-akward way Bush went about ridding it of Saddam.... If he wins, I wonder what naughty regimé is next on his list? N. Korea?....naawww, those boys are scary--they HAVE WMDs! |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Once Famous Date: 24 Sep 04 - 04:32 PM Who cares? Saddam is history and they are all better off. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: CarolC Date: 24 Sep 04 - 04:16 PM Who appointed the interim council, the US government or the Iraqi people? |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Larry K Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:59 PM Can somebody provide any facts on whether Alawi is a "puppet" or an "ally" or an "enemy". My understanding is that he was not our choice for interim prime minister, but was chosen by the interim coucil. The only gallup polling I have seen said that he was supported by 80% of the Iraq public- far higher than that of Kerry, Bush, Nader, Schroeder, or Chirac. Does anybody have any information to base your opinions on? It appears to me that the Kerry gloom and doom has spread throughout the democratic party. You can only hope for pessimism and defeat to gain power. What an uplifting message to win an election. PS: The exact same comments were made about Germany after wwII. Probably the same people writing them. PSS: The same people said there would never be an interim govt by June 30. As usual they were wrong. OH- it doesn't really count because they are puppets and not really an interim govt recognized by the arab community and UN. Or in the words of John Kerry- I actually voted for the interim govt before I voted against the interim govt. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: CarolC Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:22 PM I can understand that sentiment, Martin. My point about his being a puppet is to address the idea expressed in the opening post of this thread, of the US being able to piss him off. Since he's our puppet, I don't think we really need to worry about that. He'll kiss our ass pretty much no matter what we do. Allies, on the other hand, are a different matter. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: kendall Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:04 PM Opinions are like assholes, we all have one. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,guest from NW Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:04 PM maybe it is better to have a puppet than an enemy, but it certainly is disingenuous to pretend that the puppet is an "ally" or leader of a "soverign government" wouldn't you say? |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Once Famous Date: 24 Sep 04 - 02:57 PM Carol C, I'd rather have a puppet instead of an enemy. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:58 PM As to knowing where Bush stands, it falls along this wise: He stands for deception at his own convenience; he stands for unilateral exercise of force on commercial grounds, a form of bullying and banditry; he stands for arrogant failure to acknowledge error and the manipulation of any person or group in order to get his way, no matter what principle or which truths need to be trampled. He is an amoral, illiterate, pretentious, dissembling bullyragger. He might make a good dog-catcher. A |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: CarolC Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:02 PM Alawi is not our ally. He's our puppet. going to war with North Korea, Syria (and) Iran The Republican platform in a nutshell? But to be fair and balanced, I suspect the Democratic platform is probably not much different. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Nerd Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:49 PM Only that it encourages corporate giveaways, MG. I don't have anything against having SOME CEOs, but too many CEOs, like too many generals, is an ominous sign that one sector of our society has too much influence. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Once Famous Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:43 PM So what's wrong with having CEOs? They have experience at being leaders. do you think we should have folksingers instead? |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Nerd Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:34 PM You're full of it, old guy. Teresa has nothing to do with those companies. She controls the philanthropic foundations established by her late husband, a Republican senator from Pennsylvania. Or as factcheck.org puts it: As the H.J. Heinz Company reports in its most recent proxy statement on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Heinz Kerry is not on the company's board of directors, nor is she listed among the principal shareholders (those who control 5% or more of the outstanding shares). The Heinz Endowments do own Heinz stock -- less than 4% of the company -- but income from that stock goes to charity, not to the Kerrys personally. The Heinz company also said it is "nonpartisan." Worth noting, however, is that the company's Political Action Committee has given nearly all its donations to Republican candidates, including $5,000 to the Bush campaign and nothing to Kerry's as of the most recent reports available. The TRUE merger of corporate and Executive power is going on the BUSH administration, the richest administration with the most former CEOs in history. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:29 PM I haven't seen any response to the faults of Kerry, his wife or Edwards. You perceive faults. Supporters of Kerry and Edwards see strengths. Heinz the company has nothing to do with Mrs. Heinz, she's not part of the management or operation. Get your head out of the dark place you've shoved it, Old Guy. You only hear yourself from in there, and your source of information is incorrect. And think about it: Heinz catsup a rival for the power position of Haliburton? Give me a break! |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Don Firth Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:24 PM So? Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 24 Sep 04 - 11:35 AM I haven't seen any response to the faults of Kerry, his wife or Edwards. All I see is rocks being thrown at Bush in the same manner as the rocks being thrown by Palestinian refugees in defense if Yassar Arafat. Bush has known faults. Kerry and his crew have unknown faults which are indicated by his back and forth statements, his gloom and doom outlook. his wifes interests and Edwards profession. Why the hell do people pick someone apart when they are trying to do their difficult job? Abe Lincoln said "don't change horses in the middle of the stream" We are in the middle of the stream where the water is rough but we are still moving. We should not try to change horses. I say put down the rocks for a minute and examine the Kerry ticket a little closer. You will find that he has many more faults already showing than Bush does. If you would study the actions and statements of John Kerry you will see that he changes his platform as required to get more votes. He has done sneaky things like negotiating to the an enemy that we are at war with in a foreign country without the knowledge or permission of his government. He publishes a book downing his country and his military and then makes statements that conflict with the book. This guy is one big smokescreen. Examine the list of corporations below that will influence the "Kerry administration" Do we want this Enron like conglomeration to be associated with the US government? Old Guy HEINZ-UFE LTD. Guangzhou, People's Republic of China Factory: Guangzhou Major Product Lines: cereals for infants. HEINZ COSCO Qingdao, People's Republic of China Factory: Qingdao HEINZ KOREA LTD. Established 1986 Inchon, South Korea Factory: Inchon HEINZ WIN CHANCE LTD. Bangkok, Thailand Factory: Bangplee HEINZ INDIA PRIVATE LIMITED Mumbai, India Factory: Aligarh/Bangalore PT HEINZ ABC INDONESIA Jakarta, Indonesia Factories: Daan Mogot, Jakarta; Karawang Timur; Pasuruan PT HEINZ SUPRAMA Surabaya, Indonesia Factory: Sidoarjo HEINZ UFC PHILIPPINES Manila, the Philippines Factories: Cabuyao Laguna; Davao City HEINZ HONG KONG LIMITED Wanchai, Hong Kong H.J. HEINZ COMPANY OF CANADA LTD North York, Ontario, Canada Factory: Leamington, Ontario OMSTEAD FOODS LIMITED Wheatley, Ontario, Canada Factory: Wheatley, Ontario ALIMENTOS HEINZ C.A. Caracas, Venezuela Factory: San JoaquÃn DISTRIBUIDORA BANQUETE, S.A. San José, Costa Rica Factory: San José H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED Middlesex, England JOHN WEST FOODS LIMITED Liverpool, England H. J. HEINZ FROZEN & CHILLED FOODS LIMITED Dublin, Ireland and Hayes, Middlesex, England H. J. HEINZ COMPANY (IRELAND) LIMITED Dublin, Ireland ETS. PAULET S.A.Douarnenez, France H. J. HEINZ FROZEN S.A.R.L. Paris, France HEINZ IBERICA S.A. Madrid, Spain IDAL Lisbon, Portugal HEINZ ITALIA S.r.l. Milan, Italy FATTORIA SCALDASOLE, S.p.a. Monguzzo, Italy COPAIS FOOD AND BEVERAGE COMPANY, S.A. Athens, Greece HEINZ POLSKA Sp. Z.O.O. Warsaw, Poland Factories: Poland: Miedzychód, Pudliszki, Wodzislaw; Russia: Georgievsk PUDLISZKI S.A. Pudliszki, Poland WODZISLAW, S.A. Wodzislaw, Poland MIEDZYCHOD S.A. Miedzychod, Poland HEINZ C.I.S. Moscow, Russia HEINZ GEORGIEVSK Georgievsk, Russia CAIRO FOOD INDUSTRIES SAE Cairo, Egypt HEINZ REMEDIA LIMITED Tel Aviv, Israel STAR-KIST FOOD D'OR LIMITED Haifa, Israel Factories: Germany: Seesen; Netherlands: Baarn, Elst, Giessen, Koog aan de Zaan, Nijmegen, Rijssen, Utrecht, Wormerveer H. J. HEINZ B.V. Elst, The Netherlands H. J. HEINZ BELGIUM S.A. Brussels, Belgium H. J. HEINZ GMBH Düsseldorf, Germany SONNEN BASSERMANN Seesen, Germany KONINKLIJKE DE RUIJTER BV The Netherlands HAK BV The Netherlands FOODMARK The Netherlands HONIG MERKARTIKELEN BV The Netherlands DRUKKERIJ DE GROENBOER The Netherlands EUROPEAN FOODSERVICE H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED Hayes Park, Hayes, Middlesex, England Factories: Rovereto, Italy; Telford, England HEINZ SINGLE SERVE LIMITED Hayes Park, Hayes, Middlesex, England SERV-A-PORTION Turnhout, Belgium Arimpex Industrie Alimentari S.R.L. Rovereto, Italy Comexo S.A. Chateaurenard, France H. J. HEINZ Southern Africa Johannesburg, South Africa H. J. HEINZ Gaborone, Botswana KGALAGADI SOAP INDUSTRIES Gaborone, Botswana Factory: Gaborone REFINED OIL PRODUCTS Gaborone, Botswana OLIVINE INDUSTRIES Harare, Zimbabwe CHEGUTU CANNERS (Pvt) LTD. Chegutu, Zimbabwe HEINZ SOUTH AFRICA (PTY) LTD. Johannesburg, South Africa HEINZ WELLINGTON'S (PTY) LTD. Wellington, South Africa Barvale; Benoni; Wellington HEINZ WATTIE'S AUSTRALASIA H. J. HEINZ COMPANY AUSTRALIA LTD. Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Factories: Dandenong; Northern Victoria (Echuca, Girgarre); Port Moresby, Papua, New Guinea; Wagga Wagga HEINZ SINGAPORE PTE. LTD. Republic of Singapore HEINZ WATTIE'S LIMITED Auckland, New Zealand Factories: Christchurch; Hastings TEGEL FOODS LTD. Newmarket, Auckland, New Zealand Factories: Processing, feedmilling and livestock operations at Christchurch, Auckland and New Plymouth/Feedmills at Levin, Mataura and Nelson/Value-adding plants at Chefs Boutique (Auckland) and Coq au Van (Wellington) HEINZ JAPAN LTD. Tokyo, Japan Last and least: HEINZ U.S.A. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Factories: Atlanta, Georgia; Cedar Rapids, Iowa; Chatsworth, California; Dallas, Texas; Escalon, California; Fremont, Ohio; Holland, Michigan; Irvine, California; Jacksonville, Florida; King of Prussia, Pennsylvania; Mason, Ohio; Muscatine, Iowa; Northbrook, Illinois; Pennsauken, New Jersey; Phoenix, Arizona; Stockton, California; Westburyport, Massachusetts THERMO PAC, INC. Stone Mountain, Georgia Factory: Stone Mountain, Georgia PORTION PAC, INC. Mason, Ohio Factories: Atlanta, Georgia; Chatsworth, California; Dallas, Texas; Jacksonville, Florida; Mason, Ohio QUALITY CHEF FOODS, INC. Cedar Rapids, Iowa Factory: Cedar Rapids, Iowa CHEF FRANCISCO, INC. PennsylvaniaFactory: King of Prussia, Pennsylvania ESCALON PREMIER BRANDS, INC.Escalon, California Factory: Escalon, California ALDEN MERRELL DESSERTS West Newburyport, Massachusetts Factory: West Newburyport, Massachusetts TODDS Factory: Irvine, California; Phoeniz, Arizona HEINZ FROZEN FOOD COMPANY Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Factories: Ft. Myers, Florida; Massillon, Ohio; Ontario, Oregon; Pocatello, Idaho; West Chester, Pennsylvania |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Midchuck Date: 24 Sep 04 - 11:30 AM This list is crowded with people who have one belief in common: That one of the presidential candidates is an arrogant idiot, so we should vote for the other one. All of said people are right on the first point and wrong on the second. (IMO, obviously). Can't we get someone on the ticket running as a classical anarchist? Peter. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Amos Date: 24 Sep 04 - 11:10 AM Martin: What on earth are you referring to? A |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Once Famous Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:54 AM Kerry supporters can obviously dish it out but can't take it. How about some cheese with all your whine? |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:37 AM |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:43 AM The best part of Bush ran down his daddy's leg. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:38 AM Bush . . . . . |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:38 AM BBlush stands with both feet firmly planted in midair. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Bill D Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:36 AM "Bush is far from perfect but we know where he stands" yep, "waist deep in the Big Muddy" |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Peace Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:26 AM Old Guy is trolling for fish. Don't bite. Nice use of the word "conflicted" though. Ya need help across the street, fellow? Another old guy who thinks you are right about Kerry not being 'the second coming' but still twenty times better than Bush. Oooooooooo, that's gotta hurt. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Wesley S Date: 24 Sep 04 - 09:16 AM Old Guy - What makes you think that ranting here will change anyones opinion about anything ? Insulting Kerry supporters is a waste of time. Stand up, walk away from the computer and get out of the house so you can campain for Bush. Then you might get something done. Of course that's just my opinion. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: Bobert Date: 24 Sep 04 - 07:28 AM Good point, McG! Tuirn the clock back 20 years and Alawi is Saddam... Just who elected either of them anyway, Old Guy? Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: freda underhill Date: 24 Sep 04 - 06:07 AM Allawi becomes Iraq's interim Prime Minister The outgoing Iraqi Governing Council (IGC) – a creation of the U.S. –announced Allawi's appointment as interim Prime Minister on May 29, 2004. Allawi's appointment was viewed as a move to pre-empt moves by the U.N and U.S. to draft someone seen as independent of the occupation forces. Since the handover of power to Allawi in late June, he has announced that a new internal intelligence agency would be created to undermine those behind the string of attacks on U.S and Iraqi forces. "We are determined to bring down all the hurdles that stand in the way of our democracy," Allawi told journalists announcing the new agency. [22] In mid-July, the Bagdad correspondent for the Sydney Morning Herald, Paul McGeogh, reported that two eye-witnesses stated that the week prior to the handover of power that Allawi had drawn a pistol and executed up to six people detained for suspected attacks on Iraqi and U.S forces. Allawi's office has denied that he had visited the Al-Amariyah security centre in Bagdad's suburbs or that he carried a gaun. U.S Ambassador to Iraq, John Negroponte, dismissed the claims without investigating them. [23] After the statements by the witnesses, McGeogh wrote of Allawi that his "every response to the Iraq mess is that of a hard man: he threatens martial law; he warns he might shut down sections of the media; he suggests he might delay elections. His Justice Minister is bringing back the death penalty; his Defence Minister warns he'll chop off insurgents' hands and heads." [24] http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Ayad_Allawi Paul McGeogh, a respected conservative Australian journalist, had to flee Iraq after publishing the witnesses statements. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 24 Sep 04 - 05:30 AM It isn't all that long since Saddam Hussein was "one of your few allies in the middle east", at the very time when he was committing some of his worst atrocities. |
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,Boab Date: 24 Sep 04 - 05:13 AM Well, well, Old Guy---so every body who disagrees with your convoluted reasoning is either an idiot, a blind fool, or both? To be perfectly frank, I'm amazed that such utter garbage can be seriously shed upon the public by someone who has actually learned English spelling! You are one up on your favoured candidate in that respect, I'd say. Why, by the way, [and you do have truth on your side here] do you think that Alawi is "one of your few allies in the middle east"? Mr Bush said plainly the other day that a "handful" of people were opposing the "democratisation' of Iraq. So why say "one of "our FEW allies"? Surely you contradict your "president"? I can confidently state that Mr Bush and cohorts have been responsible for the elimination of many "handfuls" of Iraqis---and by no means all of them resistance fighters, or of either the age or sex usually associated with such. You want to see another couple of "conflicted messes"? Look first at the bedlam in Iraq; then re-read your posting. |
Subject: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole From: GUEST,old guy Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:15 AM I watched Alawi, one of our few allies in the middle east speak to congress today and it was heartening. Within a half hour I watched Kerry saying that he was not telling the truth. Kerry is the one who constantly accuses Bush of being arrogant and alienating our allies. What a load of bullshit. I briefly entertained the thought of obtaining the domain kerryisanarrogantasshole.com Instead I am going to make my statement here. Bush is far from perfect but we know where he stands. Kerry is a total disaster who thinks the knows everything. He paints a picture of gloom and doom for the US and wants us to believe he can fix it if he is elected. Then if by some accident he is elected, he will proclaim he has fixed everything that was not broken to begin with. He is so transparent that only an idiot would vote for him. Also his wife is an even more arrogant bigger asshole. She is supported by a "big greedy corporation" that has most of it's operations offshore. The very thing that Kerry vows to fight. As for Mr Edwards, he is a "medical liability" lawyer of the type that is driving doctors out of practice and health care costs through the roof. Something else that Kerry vows to fight against. Maybe instead of going to war with North Korea, Syria or Iran we can just "sue the bastards" I have never seen such a conflicted mess in my life. The Democratic party has lost all professionalism and anybody that votes Democratic is a blind fool. Old Guy |