BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 10:02 AM

Oh dear god not "The Professor And Ireland Show" repeated YET AGAIN?

Will no one free us from this turbulent jackass?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 09:57 AM

War News, the IRA's main publication, became increasingly pro-Nazi in tone, even claiming active IRA involvement in the German bombing of British cities. But more chillingly it began to ape anti-Semitic arguments. Satisfaction was expressed that the 'cleansing fire' of the German armies was driving the Jews from Europe. British war minister Hore Belisha was described as a 'wealthy Jew' only interested in 'profits'. War News condemned the arrival in Ireland of 'so-called Jewish refugees', along with unspecified numbers of 'Albanian, Abyssinian, Mongolian [and] Tartars'. These new arrivals were not only supposedly putting Irish people out of work but also exploiting those that they employed. Belfast was said to be increasingly in the 'hands of international Jewry' because of this influx. 'The Jews', War News warned, were 'like the English, when they are strong they bully and rule.' In Dublin de Valera's government was also dominated by 'Jews and Freemasons' who were becoming the 'new owners of Ireland'. Fianna Fáil TD Robert Briscoe was singled out for attack.
http://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/oh-heres-to-adolph-hitler-the-ira-and-the-nazis/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 09:52 AM

Jim, here is another silly antisemitic song for you, as you consider them historically relevant.
It was sung by Irish Republicans during WW2.

In an article in History Ireland, Brian Hanley of Queen's University quotes a poetic tribute to Hitler from the Sinn Fein publication War News.
'Oh here's to Adolf Hitler,

Who made the Britons squeal,

Sure before the fight is ended
They will dance an Irish reel.'

As Hanley notes, in July 1940 the IRA leadership issued a statement outlining its position on the war. The statement made it clear that if "German forces should land in Ireland, they will land. . . as friends and liberators of the Irish people".

Apologists for the republican pro-Nazi line suggest that they were simply following a time-honoured strategy of "England's difficulty being Ireland's opportunity".
But it is clear that some of the republicans embraced Nazi ideology as well.

The Third Reich was praised as the "energising force" of European politics and the "guardian" of national freedom.

War News condemned the arrival in Ireland of "so-called Jewish refugees". "The Jews," the paper warned, were "like the English, when they are strong they bully and rule."
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/jig-heil-the-freeborn-irish-who-saluted-the-fhrer-26631832.html

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 09:02 AM

Meant to ask yu.
What aspect of your charming personality makes you anything other than inferior
'Bout time you got a grip, don't you think?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 08:21 AM

"Superiors Jom? "
You - and I was referring to everybody - your behaviour makes you inferior to everybody here with the exception of your little clique - with them, neck and neck, I'd say.
"Are you insane"
Nope - but you are incredibly stupid to pointedly ignore what I said in publica and then blatantly misrepresent it,
I said it was a story I heard from a young age which was repeated to be at varios stages of my life in three cities in Britain -
I have never said it "must be true" - another spectacular display of your dishonesty.
I said that given the fact that it is a widespread one and given the fact that there is plenty of evidence that the Nazis had support from the upper echelons in wartime Britain, it was quite likely - no more.
I asked you why you dismiss it out of hand - you prefer to lie and bullshit rather than answer.
Politicians, members of The House of Lords, sections of Royalty, press Barons, industrialists.... all expressed support for the Nazis - would you like me to re-present Lord Rothermere's glowing praise of Hitler and his actions so you can ignore them all over again?
No - thought not.
Your stupidity and ongoing public dishonesty underlines just where you stand in all this - certainly not the brightest button on the steward's uniform.
Are people singing Antisemitic songs today - no idea - you seenm to move in those circles - not me.
Both inquiries into the Labour Party came to nothing - nothing was found - those who made the c charges in the first place now have leaked reports - no details, no numbers - nothing.
It would have been irresponsible to ignore those accusations in the first place - that's why enquiries were held.
he Tory Party ha been accused of Islamophobia - nothing - hardly surprising from a party that appoints an unqualified braindead who publicly spouts racism as FOREIGN SECRETARY
" Just because you say so means absolutely nothing"
You have just been pesented with examples of it, so your denials mean absolutely nothing
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 08:12 AM

Jim,
"That you tried to pass it off as a genuine quote "
You are lying again Keith - I told exactly how I came across it and have nver altered that

Not true Jim.
You originally stated,
"When the news of the extermination of the Jews reached Britain one Tory Minister described it "the invention of whingeing Yids"."

no reference to you haveing been told that by some bloke.
Just a statement of fact that was no such thing.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 07:57 AM

Raggytash - 12 Aug 16 - 07:45 AM

"Care to tell us just what the Conservative or UKip Parties have done within their own parties."

And whoever it is that you want to respond to that question would be able to answer that authoritatively how? Or are you just preparing the ground for another of your "fisking" expeditions.

Have the Conservative Party or UKIP had people resign due to concerns over the safety of members participation in meetings and rallies?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 07:56 AM

Steve,
I have quoted a number of high profile Labour members, Jews and non-Jews, who are unhappy about Labour antisemitism and Chakrabarti.
You dismissed two ( and Jim several more) because they were "Israel apologists" but you seem unable to justify that claim.

I think that the views of Jews on antisemitism should always be taken seriously, and I am not aware of any who disgree with those referred to.

Clearly, you can't either!

Try looking back at his Wheatcroft debacle,

Yes please! You falsely accused me of misquoting.

or his deliberate misquotes and partial quotes in this thread,

No examples of which you will produce because it is bollocks.

or his lies about the EUMC working document.

Lies? I just quoted it and linked to it.
Just google, "The European Parliament Working Group on Antisemitism."
You will see that it still stands and as you have been shown their definitions of antisemitism have been accepted far beyond EU.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 07:45 AM

Care to tell us just what the Conservative or UKip Parties have done within their own parties.










Wait for denial that such things happen within those two bodies.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 07:45 AM

Steve Shaw - 12 Aug 16 - 04:54 AM

"Teribus old chum, Keith's dishonesty has been revealed many times."

No it has not. Just because you say so means absolutely nothing

"Try looking back at his Wheatcroft debacle"

The "Wheatcroft debacle" as you term it can be cleared up in your next post.

Cut and Paste Keith A of Hertford's first reference to Wheatcroft and his article. Then point out what he got wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 07:30 AM

Superiors Jom?

"A story I heard from somebody" - "Somebody told me" - So it must be true - Are you insane??? - Do you actually EVER check anything?

It was the same with your "summary execution" bullshit, where as holes were blown in your little myth you changed your story, digging yourself in deeper with every change and twist. You couldn't give any detail in that case and you can't give any now.

There is not a single fact that either myself, Keith A or bobad has offered up that you can dispute.

Tell me Jom, as you are emphasising the importance of obscenely anti-Semitic songs, which group in what political party are singing that song's modern day equivalent? As you will most definitely not address this point, I will provide the answers - the group are the hard-left in Momentum and they are all paid up members of the Labour Party - evidence of this? It was just one of the instances that prompted the resignation of Alex Chalmers and caused Labour's NEC to launch her investigation into anti-Semitism within the OULC, findings from that Inquiry led to an additional inquiry with a much wider remit and Shami Chakrabarti was charged with leading that second Inquiry - Had there been "no problem" as you suggest, none of that would ever have happened.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 07:29 AM

"Israel apologists,"

There's nothing to apologize for a country defending it's citizens against those who would annihilate them, unless it's a Jewish country it seems.

As the old saying goes: "The Germans will never forgive the Jews for Auschwitz."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 05:57 AM

"That you tried to pass it off as a genuine quote "
You are lying again Keith - I told exactly how I came across it and have nver altered that
I said it was something I had been told when I was young.
The facts of British Fascism make it not only possible but quite likely"
Despite the war, Antisemitism was still rife in Britain - things began to change when news of the Holocaust was accepted.
"believe that except some bloke in a pub told you!"
Lying agaon - it was a story current in my family, later confirmed when I moved to Manchester, and again in London
Whay are you defending this Antisemitism Keith?
The fact of the story is only part of the argument anyway
YOU CAOMPARED THAT OBSCENELY ANTISEMITIC SONNG TO THE THEME SONG OF DAD'S ARMY - WHICH, FOR ME, CONFIRMS YOUR OWN ATTITUDE TOWARDS ANTISEMITISM
You lied then, and you continue to lie - show where I said I heard this story in a pub - you are really the pits
Why did you lie and deny you ever said it - you even claimed I made it up.
not true. Produce a quote why don't you?!
"Because I made no such claim Jim."
You have constantly first denied making your obscenely racist statement then reverting to your fictional "prominent people" which are invented anyway, so , lies in themselves.
You have also claimd to have produced their statements implicating the entire Pakistani population - another string of lies.
You never have and have persistently refused to produce any such people
Never call anybody on this forum a liar again - not with your track record.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 04:54 AM

Well I have a big surprise for you, Keith. With very few exceptions I haven't a CLUE who in Labour is a Jew or who isn't a Jew. You have deliberately singled out two Jews who are against Chakrabarti, so that when anyone here dares to disagree with them you can do your big antisemitism thing. Well singling out Jews in order to make them targets like that is antisemitism. You are one of the two worst antisemites on this forum. And,Teribus old chum, Keith's dishonesty has been revealed many times. Try looking back at his Wheatcroft debacle, or his deliberate misquotes and partial quotes in this thread, or his lies about the EUMC working document.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 04:46 AM

Jim,
"Which is how I first herd it - the fact that I was unable to trace it was immaterial"
Which is true - what's your point?

That you tried to pass it off as a genuine quote when you had no reason to believe that except some bloke in a pub told you!
Even you are not that gullible Jim.
I doubt there was any such bloke. You made it all up, as you so often do.

"You were unable to find any such report because it was never reported."
Fuckof andf stop calling me a liar - how do you know it wasn't reported?

Because if such an outrageous statement from a politician had really been reported, there would be many references to it.
The fact there are none proves it never happened.

Keith is an inveterate liar - get him to explain why he lied about the Antisemitic Song argument being "made up"

I have never said it was made up, so that is, erm...., a lie Jim.

Or maybe you can get him to explain why he had denied his "Pakistani implant" claim

Because I made no such claim Jim.
I said I believed it because prominent people from within the community were saying that it came from the culture.
I admitted knowing nothing about that and thus unable to form an opinion or make any claim about it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 04:30 AM

Steve,

You quoted two Israel apologists because they were Jews. You pinned that on them deliberately in an attempt to derail the conversation. Well I could have made your point for you by naming Israel apologists who are not Jews. How many do you want me to name?

I quoted them because they were both Labour MPs (one now a peer).
Their views count even if they are Jews as well.
Their views on antisemitism would still count even if they were "Israel apologists," an accusation that you can not justify anyway.

How many Labour Jews can you name who think Chakrabarti was fair?
My guess in none, but over to you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 04:20 AM

Why do you always talk down to your superiors?
Why do you always sound like a pompous Victorian schoolteacher?
Why do you never say anything of importance?
Why do you always make claims without evidence and refuse to supply it when requested?
Why do you strut and bully instead of putting your arguments as if you believed them yourself instead of hoping to bully them across.
Why do you act as minder to Keith as if he was a mental deficient on a day out (rhetorical question)
Keith is an inveterate liar - get him to explain why he lied about the Antisemitic Song argument being "made up"
Or maybe you can get him to explain why he had denied his "Pakistani implant" claim about a dozen times, each time, when being presented with it, reverting to another lie, "I only said it because somebody told me it was true
You want proof of your bullying, pomposity and bullshit - happy to oblige
On the other hand, if you want to prove that the Labour Party is Antisemitic and what form that Antisemitism has been displayed.
Otherwise, I agree entirely with Mac - you have failed to substantiate your claims - about anything, rather, you have presented us with a spectacular display of hypocrisy, dishonesty and infantile belligerence.
Unless you have any evidence for your arguments, it is time this thread was switched off - it's only purpose it to allow you to humiliate yourselves even further - don't think that's possible, do you?.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 16 - 02:09 AM

Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 06:10 PM

"Yes Keith. Keith the archetypal liar, Keith the archetypal antisemite. You are a disgrace to this forum."

The only problems you have with that statement there Shaw is that having been repeatedly asked throughout all the threads where you and your pals have been hunting and mobbing this particular member, to provide examples and instances of him being a "liar", etc, etc. You have never once been able to come up with one single example. As far as I am aware not once has Keith A been censured for his behaviour on this forum, whereas you and your pals have been publicly on numerous occasions - it is you who are the disgrace.

Now in the light of your remarks quoted above may I remind you of something else you said not that long ago:

Steve Shaw - 08 Aug 16 - 07:08 PM

"Now let's see. You make an accusation ............. The onus is squarely on your shoulders to prove your claim, not on us to disprove what you say. You started it, so let's see you seeing this through."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 08:02 PM

More like time that Bubo was switched off.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 07:09 PM

Isn't it time this thread was switched off?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 07:05 PM

Bubo: How many times have you posted absolute hateful bigoted bullshit?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 06:36 PM

You are a disgrace to this forum.

How many times has Keith been threatened with suspension?

How many times has Shaw been threatened with suspension?

QED

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 06:10 PM

Yes Keith. Keith the archetypal liar, Keith the archetypal antisemite. You are a disgrace to this forum.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 06:00 PM

Yep, Gaza sure looks like the world's largest open air prison

Absolutely, Bubo! Thanks for finally admitting it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 05:23 PM

I warn you Keith - if you ever call me a liar again I will do my best to have you removed from this Forum
You have been caught out over and over again lying and distorting _ I never have.
I don't lie - you really don't have to when you are arguing with no-nothing morons
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 05:16 PM

Yep, Gaza sure looks like the world's largest open air prison.........lol, lol, lol!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 05:11 PM

Hamas produced video of Gaza - the hashtag reads thank you Hamas:

And that has to do with the actual conditions the poor bastards live under courtesy of the Israeli Government HOW exactly?

Oh, sorry, my bad - forgot no facts need apply in Bubo Land..

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 05:05 PM

"Which is how I first herd it - the fact that I was unable to trace it was immaterial"
Which is true - what's your point?
"It is material that no-one ever said it and your "quote" was made up shit."
You actually said it was implausible whence the difference?
"Reprted by who Jim?"
Been hrre dio=ne that, please tryy to keep up
Do you want a list?
"You were unable to find any such report because it was never reported."
Fuckof andf stop calling me a liar - how do you know it wasn't reported?
Where the dozen or so people who have related it over my lifetime all telling lies?
If you7 call ,y a liar again, I'll proceed to pit together the list of lies you have told - I'll probably start with the one you told abot never having dismissed the song as a joke.
Why is this so important to you Keith -   why is is illogical - what are you hiding that you feing it so important to deny it?
What a bunch olf loyal Klansmen you are between you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 05:01 PM

Review the ACTUAL conditions and regulations they live under in Gaza and the occupied territories.

Hamas produced video of Gaza - the hashtag reads thank you Hamas: YouTube

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 04:23 PM

You quoted two Israel apologists because they were Jews. You pinned that on them deliberately in an attempt to derail the conversation. Well I could have made your point for you by naming Israel apologists who are not Jews. How many do you want me to name? You named two who were Jews in order to exploit them for your silly game. That makes you the archetypal antisemite.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 04:05 PM

Israel cares more about the Palestinians that the Palestinian leaders care about them

That's the most laughable piece of bullshit I've heard in many years. Review the ACTUAL conditions and regulations they live under in Gaza and the occupied territories.

Oh yeah, Bubo I forgot. Apologies. No facts need apply.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:58 PM

Jim,
"No. You gave it as an actual quote."
Which is how I first herd it - the fact that I was unable to trace it was immaterial

It is material that no-one ever said it and your "quote" was made up shit.

You attempted to deny or at least play down the role of some of the British 'Great and Good' who actually supported Hitler and the Nazis.

Some? How many?
Britain went to war with Hitler, and stood alone against his seemingly unstoppable war machine. They did not have to.
It was a choice that everyone knew would have a terrible cost, and it did.

I did not - I put it down to a reportedly overheard conversation in Westminster.

Reprted by who Jim?
You were unable to find any such report because it was never reported.
It was made up propaganda.

Steve,
I referred to Israel regime apologists.

Who happened to be Jews, and you have yet to substantiate you claim that they are apologists for anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:32 PM

Whoops - missed the links:
Didn't want yuo to think I was making it up:
Aggression
Gun Owenership
There - save all the time and money of having to visit the Psych, doesn't it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:20 PM

" Do you know what "hearsay" is?"
I know what it is when it is repeated over a number of decades by different people in different cities- probably right.
Out of curiosity, why is is so important to you to defend something that was fairly common among the British 'great and good' and might have been said by any of them at any time?
We know they were about at the time - stretching up to the British monarch -
BRITISH FASCISM
Why on earth should it have not happened?
Don't get me wrong - I have no objection to your doing so - far from it - it is confirmation of what a nasty little right-armed saluter you really are, so please keep defending your friends..
Are you aware that no evidence is needed to prove such things of such people - you have the information about the Right Club - or was that just nasty, made up shit.
You know what Doc Freud said about people whi constantly talk down to people - that it's usually a sign that they can't geyt one up when required
Why not try Viagra - it might halp your problem , though it will rob us of a great deal of amusement

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:12 PM

Bibi is 100% correct. Israel cares more about the Palestinians that the Palestinian leaders care about them.

The Prime Minister of Israel
4 hrs ·

I'm going to say something now that some of you will not believe. But I'm going to say it anyway because it's true.

I, the Prime Minister of Israel, care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do.
Israel cares more about Palestinians than their own leaders do.

That sounds incredible, right?

But consider the following:
A few days ago, the world learned that Hamas, the terrorist organization that rules Gaza, stole millions of dollars from humanitarian organizations like World Vision and the United Nations.

Innocent and impoverished Palestinians were denied vital aid supplied from nations around the world.
Hamas used this stolen money to build a war machine to murder Jews.

I want you to think about that. Let that sink in.

Hamas stole critical support for Palestinian children so that they could kill our children.

So I ask you—who cares more about Palestinians?

Israel, that facilitates the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza, every single day?
Or Hamas, that robs Palestinian children of that very same aid?

Israel, that treats wounded Palestinians from Gaza in its hospitals?
Or Hamas that prevents injured Palestinians from getting help?

Imagine, just imagine, where we might all be if Palestinian leaders cared as much about helping their own people as they did about hurting our people. The Palestinian people deserve better.

And today, I express my deepest sympathy with innocent Palestinians and those well-meaning nations who generously donated money to help them.

The cynicism and cruelty of Hamas is hurting all of us.
It's hurting peace.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:03 PM

Oh yes, Teribus, we are plenty aware of that, don't you worry. Speaking of which, where is YOUR evidence that Chakrabarti accepted a peerage IN EXCHANGE FOR a whitewash, that isn't hearsay, puttting two and two and two together to make five, she's a red and what more do you need, "it's bleeding obvious when you think about it," etc. etc? What's sauce for the...oh, never mind...

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 01:11 PM

"I did not - I put it down to a reportedly overheard conversation in Westminster."

Jom those are your words, and not so long ago on this thread you were rabbiting on about Justice and Legal Systems and the like. A question for you, well a couple really:

1: Do you know what "hearsay" is? Do you know what it means?

2: Are you also aware that it does not constitute evidence in any way, shape, or form.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 01:06 PM

"...but yes they were Jews so their views on Labour antisemitism do not count."

"But yes?" Do not pretend that you are agreeing with something I said. I referred to Israel regime apologists. If you want to pin "Jew" on them, fire away, but bear in mind that that's precisely what Adolf's goons did in the runup to Kristallnacht. There are plenty of Israel apologists who are not Jews. You have just branded yourself an antisemite. Thanks for saving the rest of us from the trouble.


"By "apologists" you presumably mean they supported Israel's right to exist. I thought you did too Steve."

Oh, isn't the world so black and white, Keith. Don't forget that act of contrition next Sunday, you hateful little man.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 12:57 PM

The more you dissemble the more you reveal of yourself, so do keep it up, it's accumulating.
My offer still stands - even doubled
I will make as large a donation as you care to name if you can give me one example of my never attacking The Jewish People - one will do
A failure to do this makers you the trollish liar that you are.
You are living proof of the risk the Israel regime have put the Jewish People to in blaming them for Israeli atrocities - poncing of the dead of Auschwitz
It's little wonder that you don't have the spine to even mention Keith's atrociious trivialising of extreme Antsemitism
As I said - the Kapo mentality
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 11:14 AM

the more you reveal of yourself, so do keep it up, it's accumulating.

Yes, Bubo, but enough has already accumulated for us to know what a piece of work you really are! No need to accumulate more. Case proven.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 11:08 AM

"Really? I thought what is being discussed here is Labour's hell bent rush to destruction at the hands of, and on the watch of, the one the faithful of "Momentum" call "The Leader"
Been skulking under the stairs - we're discussing the plot to discredit the Labour Party on the basis of no evidence to date
You come across any examples otr numbers yet - no - thought not.
"Labour's hell bent rush to destruction at the hands of, and on the watch of, the one the faithful of "Momentum" call "The Leader"
Wrong again, we're looking at an attempted right wing coup in the Labour party not unsimilar to what is happening in the rest of Europe.
I'm really not surprised that you have chosen your side, fascist that you are.
Corbyn my be inexperienced, but he reflects what the Labour Party should stand for - right politics is fucking up the entire planet at the present time - aant you with your 'itinerant wok force' - you lazy British workers and "crap manufacturing industry" gives us an pretty good example of why   
I have no idea what type of leader he would turn out to be, any more than you have but at least he doesn't present the 'Death's Head Danny Tebbit' future that you and yours offers.
Its a bit ludicrous to tak about a Tory support takling about a party being - it wasn't a Labour leader that was forced to resign after Brexit - nor have they appointed a racist, braindead, unqualified foreign spokesman or created a situation of increasing economic crisis, rising unemployment and the upheaval facing British people working abroad.
The entire parliamentary system has been destabalised -so gloating about what's happening to the Labour Party seems somewhat ludicrous.
"That you first put down to ONE politician, who you could not identify,"
I did not - I put it down to a reportedly overheard conversation in Westminster.
Stop making things up and pay attention
I explained exactly where I got the story - that I was unable to provide the source is immaterial (unless you, like Keith, would like to show it was "illogical")   
What I did provide was names of people in responsible positions whose actions made the story credible - likely even.
Britain had an active Antisemitic Fascist movement working during World War Two to prepare a provisional government for the day "Herr Hitler came to power".
Now why on earth should comments such as I have described have been made
It's not how many people who supported admired Hitler that presented the threat - it's who they were and what position in society they held - kings, nobility, politicians., newspaper proprietors, giants of industry - they were the people capable of doing the damage.
Had Germany won and your lot managed to take over - wonder wheer they would have erected their gas chambers!!
Mudcat seems to have acquired a comfy little Kabal of Klansmen to defend the good name of the British right - do you think the others carry weapons, as you have boasted doing?
Must drop my sisters a line reminding them to lock the front door at night.
You goose - steppers really are something
Go- on, show us your gun again!!
"The British public have been told of numerous members of the Labour Party who have made anti-Semitic comments a"
No they haven't - nobody has "told the British people" any such thing
No specific Antisemitism ahs been identified - not even from the leaked enquiry, no numbers are forthcoming, no description of what from that "antisemitism" takes.
An accusation, instigated by the millions of pounds worth propaganda campaign
LATEST
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 10:04 AM

Spineless little Jew-hating creep

The more you dissemble the more you reveal of yourself, so do keep it up, it's accumulating.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 09:57 AM

"Israel is solely to blame for what we are discussing here"

Really? I thought what is being discussed here is Labour's hell bent rush to destruction at the hands of, and on the watch of, the one the faithful of "Momentum" call "The Leader".

As for the origin of the comment "lie invented by whingeing Yids?" That you first put down to ONE politician, who you could not identify, or provide evidence that the comment was ever made.

You have now changed that Jom to numerous politicians you were "told" about. Yet you still cannot name one. This you believe wholeheartedly, and you think everyone else should too.

The British public have been told of numerous members of the Labour Party who have made anti-Semitic comments and about rewards offered and accepted for covering it all up - making the problem go away - Quite a number of people believe that and oddly enough they have far greater justification for believing that than you have believing what you do Jom.

Don't you find it funny that in the 1930s roughly 250 people to varying degrees admired Hitler and the Nazis out of a population of how many millions? And these people who you refer to as the "great and the good" sang anti-Semitic songs. Well Jom advance the clock 75 years and we find that it is now a section of the Labour Party singing anti-Semitic songs - "trickledown effect"??

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 09:51 AM

"Just spotted one."
Then get away from that mirror
Spineless little Jew-hating creep
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 08:53 AM

Just spotted one.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 08:49 AM

Incdently Bubblyrat
"How to spot a Jew hater"
Is editorial from the right wing Toronto Sun - a tabloid bumwipe to the Right of our own bum-wipe Sun - a supporter of exteme right-wing politics in Britain and America - just the place to go for evenness and accuracy - once you get past the page three dolly-bird.
Your extremist tendencies are showing again
"antisemitism" uses - Brooklyn
CRITICISM of ISRAEL
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 08:21 AM

condemning Israel exclusively, obsessively and selectively is.
Nobody is, but at the present time Israel is solely to blame for what we are discussing here
We may as well bring up the atrocities committed by the US in Vietnam.
We are not discussing atrocities in general - we ar discussing the Gaza Massacres and war crimes, the stealing of Palestinian land, the creation of a Apartheid Stae and the ethnic cleansing of Palaesinians

HOW TO SPOT AN APPEASER OF ANTISEMITISM
Present him with this, ask him to condemn it as antisemitism and recieve no reply.   
"Land of dope and Jewry,
Land that once was free,
All the Jew boys praise thee
While they plunder thee.

Poorer still and poorer
Grow the trueborn sons,
Faster still and faster
They're sent to feed the guns.

Land of Jewish finance,
Fooled by Jewish lies,
In press and books and movies
While our birthright dies.

Longer still and longer
Is the rope they get
But, by the God of battles
T'will serve to hang them yet."
You are a Holocaust denier - I thought tthat was Antisemitic!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 07:39 AM

condemning Israel exclusively, obsessively and selectively is.

Actually, Bubo, that would be antiisraelic.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 06:56 AM

Israel isn't the only country on Earth, and certainly not the only one in the Mideast, that has ever violated the human rights of its minorities, and sometimes, even majorities.

Condemning that isn't Jew hatred.

On the other hand, condemning Israel exclusively, obsessively and selectively is.

How to spot a Jew hater

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 04:24 AM

"Because neither song has any historical significance, though the Dad's Army one reflects most closely how Brits felt at the time."
Apoloogist crap Keith
If songs like this had no significance, then neither did anything that happened in Europe in the thirties and forties.
They were part for the history of who was doing what to who
It is now illegal in Germany to deny that the Holocaust didn't happen.
It should be equally illegal to deny that prominent people i Britain supported those event - which was precisely what you attempted to do.
As usual, your interest wasn't then and still isn't in what happened to the Jewish People, but to defend the British right wing establishment.
You attempted to deny or at least play down the role of some of the British 'Great and Good' who actually supported Hitler and the Nazis.
These people and what they did were part of what happened - our history, just as musc as was the appeasement of Hitler, That no attempts to stop the rise of Hitler were ever undertaken, the fact that a British Monarch and his lady where friends of "Herr Hitler", that he taught the Royal children to give the Nazi salute......
ALL A PART OF BRITISH HISTORY
To deny or play down any of this is equivalent to denying that the Holocaust happened.
"No. You gave it as an actual quote."
Which is how I first herd it - the fact that I was unable to trace it was immaterial
What is very material is that you went to great lengths to deny it, claiming that it was "illogical" - please tell me that you still hold that view - PLEASE!!
You were given the facts of British fascism yet you still claimed that that statement could not have been made.
Wht should people like those wow wrote:
"Land of dope and Jewry,
Land that once was free,
All the Jew boys praise thee
While they plunder thee."
should not have claimed the Holocaust to have been a "lie invented by whingeing Yids?"
You are a truely evil little man.
"No. I was showing that the inference is widely held"
No it is not.
Despite the fact that the Israelis now have the contents of the enquiry in full, not one statement implicating The Labour Party in serious Antisemitism - not one.
All the quotes given so far have been criticism of Israeli war crimes - which is not Antisemitism.
Some critics may have adopted the same policy of blaming the Jewish People, but so have the Israelis, so have you and certainly, so has Bobad - making you all Antisemites.
You, with your appeasement of British fascism, most certainly are anyway.
A REMINDER of WHAT YOU SUPPORT
Jim Carroll