ADD: When All Men Sing (K Scowcroft, D Gifford)

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: MMario
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 08:52 AM

Nutty - I may do that - but I cannot transcribe by ear - and this is one of the tunes we're trying to get into the database if possible.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: JudeL
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 04:35 AM

If interested there is a wonderful parady doing the rounds called "when some men sing"

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: nutty
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 03:24 AM

I've said this before ..... If you see me on paltalk just ask and I'll sing the tune for you ( not sure I could remember ALL the words. All you need is a tape recorder at your end

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: MMario
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 10:36 PM

thanks jeri -

Subject: Tune Add: WHEN ALL MEN SING
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 05:43 PM

Please - if anyone knows if the chorus part is ok, or if it needs to be fixed, please let me know.

Toxic John, ABCs are down at the bottom under the red stuff.

MIDI file: ALLMEN.MID

Timebase: 120

Name: When All Men Sing
Text: Keith Scowcroft(words) Derek Gifford(tune)
TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
Key: C
Tempo: 100 (600000 microsec/crotchet)
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:When All Men Sing
M:4/4
Q:1/4=100
K:C
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G2F2E3D|D3ED2C2|B,B,6G,|C2D2E3C|F2E2D3C|C3DEG3|
F3EG3A|A3FF3A|G2F2E2C2|D4B,4|C7G,|C2D2E3C|
F2E2D3C|C3DEG3|F2E2G3A|A3FF3A|G2F2E2C2|D4B,4|
C6||

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 05:26 PM

Well, Susan didn't know the tune, so I didn't get it at the gathering. I found a Real Audio tidbit of Johnny Collins singing it, and I've transcribed it, but...no chorus. If I remember correctly, the chorus sounds like a repeat of the second part of the verse - anybody know?

I hesitate to send something incorrect in because there seems to be no way to easily fix tunes once they're in the DT. In any case, I'll be back in a bit with a MidiText file of what I've got and what I think the chorus is. I will attempt to un-bugger-up the ABCs.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: MMario
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 04:18 PM

refresh - Jeri - did you ever get this tune? it's on the "missing" list

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From:
Date: 26 Dec 00 - 02:23 PM

I know this thread is a year old, but if anyone did manage to get the tune, I'd be very grateful.

I've sung it a few times, but I also suffer from short term memory, and also thought it was old men singing. Having looked at the bottom of my glass a few times, it obviously isn't me !

Does anyone have the tune in abc ?

Happy new year

Toxic John

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Susan of DT
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 04:57 PM

Jeri - if you are coming to Annap's, we can probably sing it for you there. I sort of know it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 03:02 PM

Thanks Nogs! I'll have no problem finding a banker's/cashier's check. (I'm glad I don't need to send an international money order - I have no idea where to get one around here.)

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Nogs
Date: 31 Dec 99 - 09:10 AM

Oops. I can remember the line breaks when I am entering lyrics. Forgot them with this address. It should be:
22 Stoney Brow Robey Mill
Up Holland
Lancashire
WN8 OQE
howzat?
Nogs
By the by, he requested a cashiers check, or a bankers' check. Did not mention credit cards or personal US checks.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 08:53 PM

As I said when this song came up on another thread a few weeks back, I've always heard and sung this one as "When Old Men Sing".

I love the thought of these old buggers in the pub throwing back their heads and roaring out the chorus and drowning the fruit machine's rattling away. And then I look in the glass and recognise myself.

And if that's not what the fella who wrote it wrote, I think this is just another example of how the folk process can improve even the best songs.

But thanks for posting the words.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 02:55 PM

I'm still here and still interested. Once I figure out where the line breaks in the address go, I'll write Derek. You don't know if he'll accept credit cards or U.S. checks, do you?

Nogs, thank you very much, for noticing/remembering this thread and doing the research.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: MMario
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 02:36 PM

she's still with us.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Nogs
Date: 30 Dec 99 - 02:01 PM

Well, this took a bit of searching. I hope that jeri is still with us.

Derek Gifford wrote me saying that the tape that this song appeared on has olng since sold out, but that those songs, plus 4 more, are available on CD. He did not provide me with the name of the CD, so you might want to include the song request. As of last month, he was asking $15 US plus $5 shipping. He also provided some promotional material with a discography if that is of any interest.
He may be reached at
22 Stoney Brow
Robey Mill
Up Holland
Lancashire
WN8 OQE

(God I love English addresses!)

Nogs

Line Breaks <br> added.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 10:08 AM

Refresh, in the hopes one of our newer members might know the tune. Thanx!

I (belatedly) replied to Paul by e-mail. The offer of an international phone call to sing me the song - wow! But it would cost many units of currency.

Paul, if all else fails, this may be an option, but of course I'd pay for the call.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: PKD onTeesside
Date: 24 Aug 99 - 02:57 AM

Hi Jeri,

The song When All Men Sing is on a Cassette of Scowcroft & Gifford material called "When All Men Sing" recorded by Derek Gifford in about 1988.

I do not know the label, but Derek has since recorded for Fellside Records, and they may be able to help.

They have a web site, www.fellside.com

Hope this helps.

I do know the tune, but I'm not geared up to getting it onto the internet. I could sing it for you over a telephone, if that's any good. If so, you can e-mail me to arrange something on:

[e-mail]

I'm in the UK, by the way.

Cheers

Paul

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Aug 99 - 08:43 AM

Thanks, Paul!

Perhaps someone with a record company will want to sell me a tape, someone could do an ABC or MIDI or hum a few bars in e-mail to me.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: When All Men Sing
From: PKD on Teesside
Date: 23 Aug 99 - 07:32 AM

Hi,

No, it's not.

The words are by Keith Scowcroft (Scowie) and the tune is by Derek Gifford (Gif).

I'm sure it is on one of Gif's tapes, but I don't know which.

Cheers

Paul

Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN ALL MEN SING
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Aug 99 - 12:21 PM

I believe this song is trad - anyone know for sure? I also would much appreciate a tune. I've sung this with others at festivals, but the tune gets loaded into short term memory and I can't ever remember it when I get home. THANKS!
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When All Men Sing

When snow transforms the hedgerow thorn
And frost engilds the berry
Good men and true the firelogs hew
And in the inns make merry
When singing all as with one voice
It seems the very walls rejoice
And merriment about does spring
When all men sing.

Chorus:
Let every man so pitch his song
To help his neighbor sing along
To each and all contentment bring
When all men sing.

2. When lambs are seen and trees spring green
Come forth in bloom the daisies
For winters end our thanks we'll send
At Easter-time sing praises
Then with a will, yea one accord
We'll raise our voices to the Lord
And praise above our heavenly King
When all men sing.

Chorus:

3. When in the fields his scythe he wields
Then hear his summer sound
As man and boy their lungs employ
The songs they echo round
Rebound from hill and roof and spire
Starting lowly building higher
So surely then his scythe will swing
When all men sing.

Chorus:

4. When leaves they fall from elm tree tall
Then every back must bend
As young and old with courage bold
Their efforts they expend
Ensuring autumn's gifts are stored
Afore cold winter winds is blowed
Then comes and end to foraging
When all men sing.

Chorus:

5. Here's songs in season every year
Some voices sweet with others strong
Gently round ascending
With harmonies a-blending
In unison pours forth the song
Uplifting beams of Inn or Hall
And shaking plaster from the wall
When all men sing.

Chorus:
^^