BS: Now it’s white tail deer

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: gnomad
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 07:36 AM

As an Englishman I could take exception to that; I can't abide tea.

OD can keep hunting for me, though.

The difference between our lands is considerable, as are the differences in culture. While I dislike the English manner of 'hunting' I don't have a problem with shooting for the pot (rabbits and pigeons here, wild deer, moose etc where they are native) though I am not so sure about 'preserving' game or fowl simply to provide targets.

Perhaps the two activities are sufficiently disparate for a new term to be used: I would suggest that the English term be riding to hounds (or something similar) as the term hunting is appropriate to the American activity, while it is less and less applicable over here.

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 01:00 AM

Joe no dying agony sounds more like bang flop it’s down. I wonder how many cow get that quick. I don’t take stupid shots, I also don’t miss and I know how to place it

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 12:53 AM

His frying pan went sizzle. Telling a guy born and raised in the Appalachian mountains to not hunt for food is like asking an Englishman not to drink tea. I do think many do not understand the size of America. A state like Alaska is so large it would fill half of the lower 48. You fly over areas that the latest maps have uncharted wilderness marked on them. void of people just wilderness and you are on your own.
Where I grew up in the Appalachian mountains there are massive forests and its a drop in the bucket compared to the northern territories like Alaska

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Sep 18 - 12:09 AM

Got me a moose, the moose pleased me,
I shot my moose under yonders tree.
The moose went.... (substitute dying agony sounds)

The deer went...

The mountain goat....

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 11:48 PM

Not all of us are upset, some of us are glad to read of successful trips and hunts. I prefer wild meat if I can get it. Raggytash, the natural predators have largely been eliminated in many parts of North America and there are over-populations of ungulates that over-graze areas, die horrible deaths of starvation, and more. I wish more people were out hunting for their meat supply.

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: ranger1
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 11:17 PM

Here in the part of the world I live in, there are an abundance of deer. There are also an abundance of people who don't have a lot of money, and that deer in the fall (fawns have been weaned by this point, Sen, and most hunting permits are for bucks only) may be the only thing that keeps their kids from going to bed hungry some nights. And it's really more of a management tool, a cull, if you will, to keep the deer population down to a manageable size. Ever seen a deer that has died of starvation? Not such a pretty sight. And I remember driving through West Virginia about 15 years ago and there was a dead deer about every mile on the highway, hit by cars or large trucks. So hunting whitetails doesn't bother me, as long as it's done to put food on the table. And if I had to either hunt a wild creature or raise an animal and slaughter it, I know I'd have an easier time shooting the deer. That animal knows I am the predator. The animals raised by people? They don't know that they're food on the hoof. they depend on humans, and then we turn around and slaughter them.

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 10:30 PM

rap does it mean if I eat too much moose will I get horney?

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 10:18 PM

Rap exactly. My cardio guy said I have to settle down and behave or my heart will stop. I said I thought only love can break your heart... apology to Neil young. Had no idea what I was talking about:-)

I take a different approach. Rather die happy than live a few years longer watching tv. But that’s me. Only the good die young...I will make it to 150 then

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 09:56 PM

There's a gush of pixels and electrons all over the floor!

Long, long ago I learned a Great Truth: EVERYTHING is connected. You must think on that to understand, and when you do your life changes. I cannot explain it, it is not religion or anything like that. Here is a very simple example germane to this thread:

A deer eats vegetation. Old dude shoots a deer and eats it. The deer becomes part of him, part of his muscle, bones, and blood. Old dude dies. His body returns to its component parts. Those parts are used by plant life to grow....

Here's a humorous poem about it by the late Wally McRae:

       Reincarnation

    "What does Reincarnation mean?"
    A cowpoke asked his friend.
    His pal replied, "It happens when
    Yer life has reached its end.
    They comb yer hair, and warsh yer neck,
    And clean yer fingernails,
    And lay you in a padded box
    Away from life's travails."

    "The box and you goes in a hole,
    That's been dug into the ground.
    Reincarnation starts in when
    Yore planted 'neath a mound.
    Them clods melt down, just like yer box,
    And you who is inside.
    And then yore just beginnin' on
    Yer transformation ride."

    "In a while, the grass'll grow
    Upon yer rendered mound.
    Till some day on yer moldered grave
    A lonely flower is found.
    And say a hoss should wander by
    And graze upon this flower
    That once wuz you, but now's become
    Yer vegetative bower."

    "The posy that the hoss done ate
    Up, with his other feed,
    Makes bone, and fat, and muscle
    Essential to the steed,
    But some is left that he can't use
    And so it passes through,
    And finally lays upon the ground
    This thing, that once wuz you."

    "Then say, by chance, I wanders by
    And sees this upon the ground,
    And I ponders, and I wonders at,
    This object that I found.
    I thinks of reincarnation,
    Of life and death, and such,
    And come away concludin': 'Slim,
    You ain't changed, all that much.'"

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 09:18 PM

I am not a hunter. I do believe they are beautiful creatures, in looks, movement, they are the essence of the forest. And in certain areas where their natural predators are no longer extant, particularly suburban neighborhoods, they are a nuisance. They get hit by cars.


Hunting them for food is as old as man's existence on this continent. I have tried venison and not enamored of it. But I may try it again.



The time may come when we are looked upon as barbarians for having eaten animals
.


Right now, I'll bet most of us contributing to this thread eat meat.


There may have been vegetarian threads. There will be more. I have more than one vegetarian cookbook. But we are learning more about plants' ability to recognized and resist predation. Plants try not to be eaten and they warn each other .

So once again, let's let olddude rattle on. No blood will be spilled, at least here at least now.

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 08:54 PM

Well, every time I read a Brit questioning the American desire to feed meat to people, by hunting that meat-- it just makes me scream-- (since we're all sharing AGAIN).

If you do not know and share our culture, the scale of our land and its traditional use-- please, sit down and shut up. It's not your business.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 06:46 PM

Check out the muskox sen they are amazing I got pretty close in Alaska to a herd. To close actually. They huddle into a group and stare you down. They are dangerous but so woolly and cute.

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 06:42 PM

Sen nothing wrong with that approach also . They are beautiful. Sadly we have a terrible overpopulation here. Probably because of the lack of predators and the decrease in hunting

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 06:32 PM

Not being familiar with the deer native to N America, I've just looked up this animal on Google. Beautiful creatures.

I'm afraid I'm one of those who shudder at the thought of lifting a gun, aiming at an innocent wild animal, firing and killing it.

I imagine to myself the terror, despair, pain and the final closing of the eyes. And could the does that are shot have fawns?

No. Not for me I'm afraid.

We have many types of deer here in Norfolk, and it's always a joy to catch a glimpse of them out in the fields. Or even in the garden (muntjac eating our plants the other night!)
I couldn't kill anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 06:29 PM

I don’t censor others just ignore the hunting and fishing threads like i do on the ones i don’t like. Not mad or upset just saying. I also don’t like accordion music either

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 06:27 PM

And others here do enjoy hunting, granted others don’t. I personally cannot tolerate the never ending rants on religion but others do so I just ignore the thread ask some of my fellow mudcat brothers who also hunt if it upsets them. Dollars to donuts the endless political rants and religion rants far exceed my outdoor adventures

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 06:17 PM

I cannot understand why someone wants to post about a "pastime" that others struggle to deal with.

If someone posted that they beat their wife with a rubber tyre I suspect that many would appalled.

It may be their favourite hobby but not something to be discussed on an open forum.

Just saying like .......

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 05:17 PM

And now that you know how to read a thread title you can figure out how not to open it and be offended. Let's call it a 'safe space'.

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 05:13 PM

Not at all upset, your point is well taken. However there are friends who hunt and it’s easier than a dozen pm messages

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 05:11 PM

Gnu, rap and a host of others hunt

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 02:30 PM

Thats telling us I find perverse, not the hunting itself, although I have reservations about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 02:25 PM

Can I ask you a question Olddude, hopefully without upsetting you?

Why, when you know many people are against hunting, do you tell us all when you go hunting and what you have killed or are about to kill, or what you wish to kill in future.

I, for one, do find it rather perverse.

Subject: RE: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 02:19 PM

Next year I want a mountain goat. Really hard to hunt but really tasty

Subject: BS: Now it’s white tail deer
From: olddude
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 02:17 PM

Wasn’t going to hunt this year as I have plenty of moose but my Amish friends who don’t hunt want one so in November I will go get them one. Venison is good stuff. I gave them some moose but left most at my kids home as they have lots of neighbors who want some . I brought home 50lbs and some salmon