Apache recorded 60 years ago!

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 06:15 AM

Oddly enough, I used to have a 10" LP of Jorgen which I can't find this morning. Pity, it could be worth a few £s now!

Back to Apache, I believe there was an early pressing which had a mistake on the label, possibly when Columbia 45s changed from green to black.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 05:31 AM

guest rossey, fair enough
. Jörgen Ingmann recorded this 1961 version of "Apache" that became an international hit reaching the #2 spot on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100, which the Shadows did not, the Shadows had a uk hit,
regardless of popularity, two different versions show different musical approaches.it is not snobbish to prefer one version to another.
Bonzo prefers one version, i do not call him a snob because of that

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 05:29 AM

It's funny Pete. I would have had the same list of "just before my time" until a couple of years back. I was 7 in 1960 so didn't really get into music until the late 60s. But I saw Joe Brown live 2 or 3 years ago and found his music, or maybe his style, has changed with the times. He was very good and I would recommend him to anyone.

Sorry for the thread drift.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: peteglasgow
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 05:11 AM

i could never understand the appeal of the shadows, certaiinly not cliff richard, bill haley or the joe brown types and crooners of the times. that's fine though - they were just a wee bit before my time. my own first enthusiasms were in the '70s = the who, ISB, then john martyn, sandy denny (and shaw!) and the west coast superstars of neil young, joni, leonard and van. this took me through to the damned, clash, specials and elvis etc etc....anyway the 70s stuff is what i listen to most these days - in strange and boring times it's good to have neil and joni rounf doe an evening. you'll always love the music that first affected you eh? we may be missing friends and family but mostly we just miss our youth

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Rossey
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 05:08 AM

My bad typing earlier.. man of hystery (sic). Should have been mystery. Whoops! Apache was just a tune originally played on a ukulele, not a tchaikovsky symphony. But it kick started many a cover and other groups of similar type. Marvin's sound reverberated down the decades. Of course there are many great R and B, Rock, jazz and folk guitarists before and after.. but it's got nothing much to do with the release of a million selling pop record 60 years ago. Occasionally well known guitar players will admit that they were influenced by watching the Shads. and their success through Apache etc, some having passed through instrumental or beat groups! Otherwise chalk and cheese! #folk snobs do you know one?

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 04:48 AM

But to directly compare other styles and playing is nuts. quote
no.
i compared it to other popular guitarsts like jorgen ingmann, bert weedon with clips
i subsequently mentioned jim hendrix.
how is that nust?,i preferred jorgen ingmanns version, so did a lot of americans apparently
music is about interpretation and comparison of interpretation
reviewers, also have no trouble comparing different conductors interpreation of classical music
people had no trouble comparing cilla blacks version of walk on by
and dionne warwick version
what is the difference they are popular music.
or another example the rolling stones version of not fade away and buddy hollys not fade away, they are different takes of popular music, with different interpretations
i take dave sutherlands point about the shadows being of their time and dated

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Rossey
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 02:29 AM

What a load of pretentious twaddle has arisen out of the commemoration of an innovative and influential instrumental of its period. God knows what sick crap will come out when Hank or Bruce dies. They'll be moving on to Mike Oldfield next. Get a grip. Though Jerry Lordan wrote it, the Shads came up with the intro etc. translating a simple idea into the product. Also of course their producer Norrie Paramour. Just one of many great hits they had, 'Man of Hystery' 'FBI' ;The Savage' etc. Paramour later sent them on the smooth route with orchestration.. Numerous changes of line up on the bass but later the likes of Rostill and Welch also worked as writer/producers with Olivia Newton John (they'll be slagging her off next) responsible for her country period. But one thing begets another. It's just become a series of snobbish, irrelevant comments. No matter what you think it is a record released 60 years ago.. and like Beatles releases, had a lasting effect on other musicians. But to directly compare other styles and playing is nuts.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 01:59 AM

what makes greatness in other music genres, in classical music we can turn to beethoven bach mozart , their music is not dated
i put up a clip recorderd in 1961 [only one year after the shadows]recorded it]
by jorgen ingmann, this is a jazz influenced guitarist, it is a little more imaginative and adventurous than the shadows, this version was also popular
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyXLJsO_ulDanish jazz guitarist Jörgen Ingmann recorded this 1961 version of "Apache" that became an international hit reaching the #2 spot on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100, #9 on the R&B chart, and #1 in Canada. Ingmann used his own multi-track home recording studio laying down multiple layers of twang mutated through echo, reverb, speed controls, and his own accompaniment on bass and drums.
guest Roger, i too like a lot of different music, when it is played with passion imagination, i would love to hear apache played with more imagination passion and verve and even imporovisation.
Dave Sutherland you are right the Shadows represent commercial pop music are of their time and are dated, that is why in the early sixties. I sought out other music genres such as folkmusic and jazz which brings us on to davy graham
David Michael Gordon "Davey" Graham (originally spelled Davy Graham) (26 November 1940 – 15 December 2008) was a British guitarist and one of the most influential figures in the 1960s British folk revival. He inspired many famous practitioners of the fingerstyle acoustic guitar such as Bert Jansch, Wizz Jones, John Renbourn, Martin Carthy, John Martyn, Paul Simon and Jimmy Page, who based his solo "White Summer" on Graham's "She Moved Through the Fair". Graham is probably best known for his acoustic instrumental, "Anji" and for popularizing DADGAD tuning, later widely adopted by acoustic guitarists.Davy Graham came to the attention of guitarists through his appearance in a 1959 broadcast of the BBC TV arts series Monitor, produced by Ken Russell and titled Hound Dogs and Bach Addicts: The Guitar Craze, in which he played an acoustic instrumental version of "Cry Me a River". this was the same time that the Shadows were recording APACHE
During the 1960s, Graham released a string of albums of music from all around the world in all kinds of genres.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 01:47 AM

Of course the Shadows's music is dated, it's 60 years ago! But it wasn't dated at the time. I was 4 years old at the time and even then I recognised how different it was to other music. TBH, I still think it stands apart even now.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 01:24 AM

although in 1964 i had discovered through stefan grossman and john pearse , melody pickers like john hurt, and blues guitarists like robert johnson, for me those guys and their instrumentals andsoony tery and brownie mcghee were more inspiring than the shadows
but to me hank looked like an anorak and they were even then strait laced and safe.
and in retrospect and two years later in 1966 i saw jimi hendrix , the shadows in comparison were safe relatively unimaginative and straitlaced and unadventurous ,what young person today would choose the shadows instrumentals above jimi hendrix
,in my opinion their music is dated and relatively uninspiring.
i walked in to a folk club at that time and heard ralph mctell playing blind blake and wizz jones playing big bill broonzy guitar instrumentals. in my opinion more exciting than hank and his shadows and that unimaginative drummer god he was boring, buddy rich could show him a thing or two
Dave, you are right as i said earlier their music is dated.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 07:03 PM

Hank did fluff a couple of notes in the final take that made the single, and the current tribute bands like the excellent Rapiers reproduce them!! Incidentally the Rapiers do a very good Johnny Kidd & the Pirates set!

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 06:57 PM

I love all forms of music, folk music, blues, jazz, classical, opera, you name it. It all has value to the person who listens to it, and yes, I liked the Shads and still do.
I kind of fell out with the folk scene some years ago, the reason? Too many people with their heads up their own arses.
If the cap fits, wear it.
There.
Said my piece.
Roger.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 03:48 PM

Bonz - cheers.. this thread prompted me to ask Alexa for Screaming Lord Sutch...

I don't think I ever took him seriously enough to be bothered
buying and listening to his LPs...

One of his tracks with Jimmy Page "Flashing Lights" is my new favourite for this weekend...

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 03:33 PM

Absolutely.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 12:37 PM

Dick - a reasonable person would state their opinion in a reasonable manner..

A reasonable person would have some sensible self-awareness
and become embarrassed,
if they realised they were behaving as petty and anti sociably as you are here...

All you are doing is repetitively spamming the thread
with your egotistical bloated sense of self-importance..

Most of what you insist on repeating multiple times over.
is blindingly obvious to any of us
who have decades of understanding of popular music culture..

Yes, the Shadows were not trying to be the Jimi Hendrix Experience..

Who ever said they were..

We don't need telling processed cheese triangles are not the same as mature farmhouse Cheddar..

WE don't care, too many of us enjoyed both...!!!

You are not impressing us with your superior expert knowledge and taste,
Far from it, dick...

You are just coming across to the rest of us as a puffed up wind bag snob..

You obviously care so little for your personal public reputation,
or are too blinded by your own false sense of brilliance,
that you can't see what a immature nuisance you are being...

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 11:40 AM

Andrew e

I’ll check my files to see if I still have a copy ...

Regards

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: andrew e
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 09:58 AM

Jet Harris's drummer was a bit more Rocky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk8H1aKABvs

Guest Martyn Ryan. What was that Laudate Dominum piece you sang?
I'm a choir director, would like one of my choirs to sing it! Yes, we just got going again after months of lockdown, Qld, Australia.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Roderick A. Warner
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 09:23 AM

I know that a lot of musicians credit the Shadows as a gateway which is fair enough. But I agree with Dick, tbh, for me they were pretty lame at the time, couldn’t have imagined buying one of their records when I was saving up for jazz records. The guitars I was listening to were in the mighty hands of Wes Montgomery, Jim Hall, Kenny Burrell et al. Took me a while to get into blues because jazz seemed so much more accomplished (until I saw the lineage more clearly). The Shadows always seemed on a par with other novelty records of the time. When I moved from piano to learning guitar it was similar to Dick, maybe, via people like Dave Evans, then Bert Jansch etc down at Cousins and beyond. For me, the Shadows existed on a level similar to the music hall extension that trad jazz was, except performed by younger, more wholesome lads. White bread indeed.
Point of this is it’s just my opinion, which for once agrees with Dick. What other people believe will be different - I’ve no interest in trying to tell others what to believe. I leave that to the retrodogmatics of all stripes. As for selling lots of records - so did Ken Dodd, bless him.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 09:19 AM

i am explining why do not like it, and then explaining my criticism. we do not all have to like the same thing.
Adults who are not puerile, understand this, and realise on a musical forum, aimed at folk afficianados , there is a likelihood that some popular music may not be to everyones taste.
if you want a a fanzine and hero worship thread start it and make it clear no criticism of the shadows is allowed.
music is about styles,IT IS ABOUT PASSION EXPRESSION
   comparing different clips illustrates different STYLES ways of playing,
if it means your boyhood heroes are diminished by someone who has a different OPINION tough, get over it.it is only an opinion,

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 09:12 AM

Nobody here seems to object to you having an opinion, Sandman, what's objectionable is your strenuous efforts to force it on every one else.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 08:05 AM

A few years ago, singing with our local choir, I found myself singing one part of a rather nice Latin hymn called “Laudate Dominum”. There wasn't much of a text beyond that phrase - but the melody seemed familiar ... Yep - it was the “Apache” riff, near as dammit!

Regards

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 08:01 AM

i never said that it was not ok to like anybody.
i gave my opinion. as jerry, said they are of their time. just like pepsodent toothpaste spaghetti in tins and procea sliced bread, and orange jubblies
do they stand the test of time ?, the drummer is unimaginative , the dance routine dated and timid,the guitar playing rstrained and repetitive, no improvisation,nopassion souless
can you imagine hank burning the star spangled banner while playing apache,[the apaches were a native usa tribe cleared off the lands by white settlers]
we have a title apache, yet the instrumental has no resemblance to native indian music
it sounds as if it is being played by white middle class strait laced acoountants from penge or south cheam, that is my opinion.
if you want a fanzine hero worship thread make it clear in the title, admirers of shadows only,
i am happy that you like them, we do not all have to like the same thing , but i have a right to say that i disagree and find their music dated, furthermore it is my opinion it does not stand the test of time   it is unadventurous and unimaginative

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 06:45 AM

Thank you Steve. That gives a new meaning to the word precision.
Must be a bugger to measure.
Roger.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 06:32 AM

And I forgot my schooldays-friend’s cousin, Paul Brett - a great player and composer, 12-string wizard, studio session-musician, and member of numerous successful bands including The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Lonnie Donegan’s band, The Overlanders, and of course Paul Brett’s Sage.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 06:14 AM

Ah Billy Strings has incredible flying fingers, he has duetted with Molly Tuttle! Terry Gibson of the Downliners Sect was very fast too back in 1964 time. Also, Colin Green who played lead on Czardas by Nero & the Gladiators was amazingly fast!

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 06:03 AM

Dick,to quote from your post at 1.28am today.
You must learn to tolerate different opinion,whatever you think of The Shadows and their version of Apache,others like it.
Your personal likes and dislikes are not superior to other peoples likes,just different whatever your ego tells you to the contrary.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 06:02 AM

"I wonder if that geezer with the gob iron got his 'tache caught in it?"

Well, as a 'tache-sporting gob iron player, I can tell you that nothing makes you fly into an eye-wateringly painful rage more than getting a moustache hair caught in the gob iron cover plate. The only solution is to keep the lower edge of the 'tache trimmed to no less than 7.835mm above the start of the fleshy part of the top lip. This also serves to prevent bits of kipper from getting caught in the hairs. Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 05:59 AM

Excellent post, GUEST Jerry, 20 Jun 20 - 05:35 AM!
Well spoken.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 05:51 AM

1. the shadows were boring players

2. the idea is to discuss music without insulting other people

Posted from the same keyboard without a hint of irony. I guess in some dictionaries boring is not an insult?

Maybe the Shadows were middle of the road but they were very popular. While I would agree that popular does not always equate to good, it does equate to likeable. If a lot of people like something and it gives them pleasure then why insult their preferences? There is a lot I do not like but I would not dream of saying it was boring. Just not to my taste.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 05:46 AM

"Its OK to like Hank and Hendrix"....well Neil Young did!
(All right not that Hank before some pedant decends)

Dave Sutherland

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Jerry
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 05:35 AM

Back to the item in question though, surely you have to view the recording and their performance of it in the context of the time. It looks a bit cheesy and strait laced to our eyes and ears now, but at the time it was almost revolutionary to see chart artists playing their own instruments, and actually to hear any bass and drums in the mix. Check out the rest of the charts at that time.

From what I can remember of that time, the Shadows certainly did not appeal to your parents brought up on a diet of solo crooners, backed by unseen dance bands, which was another reason that teenagers would have taken to them. It was many years before my parents saw any merit in the Beatles recordings, but to modern ears their early stuff now sounds too accessible (easy listening) to be considered cool, notwithstanding the recent fashion for retro cool and tribute bands.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 05:08 AM

“...well guess what Dick, it's ok to like both Hank and Hendrix.“

Absolutely true, pfr. I like Hank, Hendrix, and lots of others - James Burton, Scotty Moore, Molly Tuttle, Martin Simpson, Tony Rice, Bryan Sutton, Billy Strings, Chet, Jeff Beck...far, far too may to list them all. They all have their strengths and (comparative) weaknesses, but they all have ‘something’ that I enjoy

Other people like players who don’t ‘do it’ for me - that’s fine, it’s their right, and I allow them their preferences without comment. That’s what reasonable people do. There’s no reason to heap shit on something someone else finds enjoyable, and a self-professed ‘professional musician’ slagging off other, highly respected, professional musicians is just....unprofessional.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 04:55 AM

we can like them both or dislike them both or one of each-

what we don't need is the Sandman laying down the law about what we SHOULD like

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 04:12 AM

Dick - you are talking a lot of petty irrelevant wank in this thread.

..it's so hilarious reading a blatant hypocrite like
you
whine on about tolerating other folk's opinions;
when you only come here to shit all over a thread
about a massively popular band you don't like..

We all see you acting like a bratty obnoxious teenager,
childishly bickering his favourite rock stars are awesome,
but everyone else's suck arse..

WE are enjoying a nostalgic reminder of inspiring pop music from half a century ago,
but you just seem to still cling onto an obsessive long entrenched grudge against Hank and the Shadows...!!!????

.. well guess what Dick, it's ok to like both Hank and Hendrix..

Normal positive open minded music fans can easily do that.....

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 03:13 AM

Yes, the switch to those Burns guitars definitely detracted from the sound and, quite frankly, they looked completely naff - none of the innate sexiness of the Strat, and definitely very little of that Strat tone.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 02:34 AM

One needs to appreciate "that sound" - Fender Strat - Meazzi Echo - Vox AC15 or AC30, a combination Hank used for just a short period of time, first few singles and first LP. I have no interest once they changed to Burns guitars.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 02:29 AM

of course i am wrong the shadows were fantastic their dance routine was mesmerising,
tonys drumming was imaginative and really feisty and as good as buddy rich or gene krupa .
noboody could have bettered them not jimi hendrix, keith moon, sonny boy williamson,
the shadows are fab and hank marvins teeh and glasses are really sexy, almost as sexy as cliff pilchard

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Jun 20 - 01:28 AM

he may have listened, as he said in the interview , but that recording of apache is dated straitlaced has no swing and the drumming particularly is unimaginative,and the dancing says it all it reflects the lack of passion in the music, its like pepsodent toothpaste
i would love to have heard jimihendrix make something of this
punk folk you must learn to tolerate different opinion, if you want this just to be afanzine worship, then bonzo has to retitle it fan worship of the shadows apache

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST,Roger
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 06:36 PM

I wonder if that geezer with the gob iron got his 'tache caught in it?

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 06:27 PM

Another hank interview...

https://recordcollectormag.com/articles/182413


"By the age of 14 his taste in music was being shaped by the radio.
“I listened to New Orleans jazz and swing music, and folk-blues like Leadbelly, Big Bill Broonzy, and Sonny Terry & Brownie McGhee.
This was pre-rock’n’roll of course, but I was so excited by what was hardly a new form of music that I wanted to play,
either in a jazz band or a folk-blues band, or both if possible.”"

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 05:43 PM

2 days ago, the 17th of June 2020 marks the 60th anniversary of The Shadows' recording session, which started their own international stardom: on the 17th of June 1960, The Shadows recorded their 4th single (the 2nd under the name "The Shadows") "Apache" / "Quatermasster's Stores".

The rest, as they say, is history!!!

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 05:32 PM

Has this thread been retitled "Dick, a celebration of me and my influential opinions.." yet...???

If not, can I just manage to sneak in a Hank Marvin interview from last year...

https://guitar.com/features/interviews/hank-marvin-gold/

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 05:23 PM

no guest.. quite wrong
i delberately chose a form of minority music because that was what i wanted to do , i knew it would not make as much money , that was a conscious, deliberate decision.
ido not begrudge other popular perforners who were quality their success, such as dusty springfield roy orbison ray davies the beatles[who were turned down at decca by one of the shadows. complete bollocks from anonymous coward guest 4.19pm
   comment from bonzo is expected, of course its not shadows style that is why it is interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CXFXB4uknI the shadows lacked swing imagination four respectable looking guys in suits playing safe music that mums and daddys would approve of, none of those nasty long haired beats who might smoke drugs

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 04:38 PM

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CXFXB4uknI listen to this guitar solo in 1968
if hank could have a bit of swing, he might come near this"

Sorry, awful guitar solo. Not Shadows style at all. Bill Haley was on the way out by then.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 04:19 PM

The Shadows played music people enjoyed and were in the hit parade for many weeks at a time. They were a success and also made money. The same cannot be said for many folkies. The criticism levelled at the Shadows smacks of sour grapes, emanating from those who boast a lesser career path.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 02:44 PM

iam not lecturing, i am giving a different opinion, hank had no swing

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 02:22 PM

Dick - why do you persist on lecturing us on a lot or things we mostly already know...???

It's really irritating and patronising of you...!!!

You are an annoying music snob,
and you not know more about music history than us.
As your ego deludes you into believing you do..


..and it may surprise you that some of us are actually sophisticated enough to enjoy all those you reel off at us..

.. and at the same time .. The Shadows.. and all sorts of cheesy fun pop records...

It's not as black or white, either / or, as you insist on seeing the world of music...

You create these pointless 'better than' conflicts inside your own head.

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 02:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CXFXB4uknI listen to this guitar solo in 1968
if hank could have a bit of swing, he might come near this

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 02:11 PM

Subject: RE: Apache recorded 60 years ago!
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 02:08 PM

Since when has how much something sells been an indication of quality, silly post from crumbly
lily the pink sold a lot so did glad all over it doesnt mean it was any good. what rubbish from bonzo as if there were only 2 guitarists joe and bert,
however if you want good rock and roll guitrists look no further than the two who worked for bill haley
lead guitarist Danny Cedrone and Franny Beecher, who had been a session musician for Haley since Danny Cedrone's death in the spring of 1954, they were not british but they were streets ahead of joe and bert so was the danish guitrist jorgen