Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Date: 07 Dec 02 - 05:11 PM Two queries: On 24 Sep Dave Bryant claims 'In My Liverpool Home' was written by Stan Kelly. My Spinners LP attributes it to Pete McGovern: [1970:] The best known song of Pete McGovern, who has written a number of Scouser songs. (Notes 'Spotlight On The Spinners')^^ On 5 Oct ard mhacha claims Master McGrath was written by Henry McCusker. In this thread last year he claimed the first name was James. Which is the correct one, please? I see Susan of DT has put harvesting marks on the incorrect entry. - I'll let her know about it. -Joe Offer- SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE?? |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Barry cookieless for the moment Date: 05 Dec 02 - 12:02 AM If you can (whoever's doing this) would put copyright 1998 words by Barry Finn for Ida Lewis in the DT. I think I'd be thanking you Joe? Thanks. Barry
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Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Nov 02 - 10:50 PM Strike the Bell, Landlord - Words written by Ron Shuttleworth of Coventry, England. -Joe Offer (per Radriano, who knows these things)- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Al Date: 23 Nov 02 - 12:29 AM Guest Philippa, are you by any chance Philippa Robinson? |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 22 Nov 02 - 01:11 AM TRELAWNY (Cornish Gaelic): Please note that there is no such thing as Cornish Gaelic!!! (My goodness, you're lucky that I spotted this before Phillippa...) Cornish is a Brythonic, not Goidelic, language,and is closely related to Welsh and Breton; it is related to Gaelic in roughly the same degree as English is related to Dutch. The Cornish text in the DT is uncredited, but it is a 20th century translation into that language from the original English, and was made by "Talek" (real name Ernest George Retallack Hooper), 3rd. Grand Bard of the Cornish Gorsedd (1959-1965). Although he based it in part upon earlier (but also 20th century) translations, it would presumably still be in copyright. The English and Cornish texts in the DT were both copied from Peter Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain and Ireland (1975). |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Date: 12 Nov 02 - 01:07 PM From Origins: All Around My Hat, a post by Malcolm Douglas: The other set in the DT, All Around my Hat (I will wear the Green Willow), although it says "recorded by Steeleye Span", is completely different. No source is acknowledged, but it's actually the set recorded by Peter Kennedy from Harry Westaway at Belstone, Devon, in 1951, and published in Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain and Ireland. ~ Becky in Tucson |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Nov 02 - 12:21 PM Red Rose Cafe has songwriter names spelled wrong up top, on the line under the title. Full names of the songwriters are Kartner/Donald Black. And Lesley, I beg a thousand pardons. I corrected the honorific on your name above, and I promise I will never, ever again forget that you are a female. The Digital Tradition attributes If You Love Me to Rosalie Sorrels, but I'm 99.385 % sure it's Malvina Reynolds who wrote it. Copyright 1974, Schroder Music Co., Berkeley, CA (ASCAP) -Joe Offer-
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Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: LDH Date: 12 Nov 02 - 07:58 AM Hi Joe, Well, you got the names right but not the sex! I'm a lady - you better believe it! Lesley Hale |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 11 Nov 02 - 11:47 AM Hi, Susan - in the Attribution PermaThread, how about if we do this: When you've collected the information, you put harvesting marks after the entry for each song. When the next DT comes out, I'll double-check. If the entry had been corrected, I'll delete the information from the PermaThread. That way, the information will be available to everybody until it's corrected in the database. Thanks. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 11 Nov 02 - 10:48 AM I Had An Coat should be "I Had an Old Coat." On her recording of the song, Sally Rogers says it was by Paul Kaplan, written in 1985. He published the song himself as Paul Kaplan Music, his address is 203 Heatherstone Rd, Amherst, MA 01002 - http://www.filbert.com/pvfs/kaplan/default.htm. With Mudcatter Dan Milner (Liam's Brother), Paul is co-author of A Bonnie Bunch of Roses -- Traditional Songs of England, Ireland and Scotland. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Nov 02 - 06:32 PM The Rose of York was cowritten by Mr. Lesley Hale and Mr. Ken Thomson. The lyrics in the Digital Tradition aren't quite correct - I've put out a request for corrected lyrics and copyright information to be posted in this thread. ^^ -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Date: 06 Nov 02 - 01:28 PM Whoops, that "anon. Guest" who posted about "Touch of the Master's Hand" named himself in the next post in that thread: it's Walter Corey. ~ B in T |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Date: 06 Nov 02 - 01:14 PM Noticed these in recent threads: Fanny Power -- should be Song of the Ghost, NOT by Yeats and Carolan, but by Alfred Percival Graves and trad.. Correct lyrics are there, too. (Info from Malcolm Douglas.) ^^ "Touch of the Master's Hand - mentioned above and in the database with no attribution - is a poem written by Myra Brook Welch ca 1927, ^^ It was published in "The Messenger" and reprinted in "Good Old Days". Sally Rogers saw it, liked it, and set it to music. (This is from an old Prairie Home Companion tape featuring Sally Rogers.)" -- Contributed by an anon. Guest here. Whoops, that "anon. Guest" who posted about "Touch of the Master's Hand" named himself in the next post in that thread: it's Walter Corey. ~ Becky in Tucson |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Oct 02 - 09:28 PM I'll Fly Away - Albert E. Brumley, 1932. ^^ The tune doesn't sound right to me, either. I think what we have is the harmony line. Can anybody submit a MIDI with the melody? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Oct 02 - 03:48 AM Bread and Roses - DT correctly shows that lyrics were written by James Oppenheim (in 1914). the tune that's in the DT is variously attributed to Martha Coleman or Caroline Kohlsaat (Edith Fowke & Joe Glazer & Sandy Paton say it's by Kohlsaat (click for discussion)). The more recent tune by Mimi Farina is in Mudcat MIDIs. ^^ -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Oct 02 - 03:11 PM As Time Goes By, words and music by Herman Hupfield, 1931 (see thread). As the thread explains, people often think this song was written by Hoagy Carmichael. ^^ -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Alice Date: 07 Oct 02 - 02:23 PM ISLE OF INNISFREE not attributed in the DT was written by Richard Farrelly. Richard's son Gerard gives correction of the lyrics and history in this thread: ^^ http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=4131 The error of confusing the song "Isle of Innisfree" with the melody of the Dream of Alwyn is explained by Barry Taylor (also in thread link above). "Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Barry T - PM Date: 03 Oct 02 - 08:31 PM The association of Alwyn with this song is a common phenomenon on the web... the evolution of threaded discussion into substantiated fact. We witnessed the same thing happen to another popular song... Pete St. John's Fields of Athenry, whose lyrics for a time were erroneously tagged to a non-existent traditional tune. By having sequenced a midi of The Isle of Innisfree I am embarrassed to have been partly responsible for this musical fiction, as my midi spread across the web as some kind of authenticated proof of the traditional tune." |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Oct 02 - 12:29 PM Drifting Too Far From Shore, by Charles E. (Ernest) Moody of the Georgia Yellow Hammers, 1923. First appeared in a Stamps-Baxter Songbook, which is where the Monroe Bros. "probably learned it." See thread. -Joe Offer-^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: ard mhacha Date: 05 Oct 02 - 06:47 AM Master McGrath, second verse not included in DT, also the song was written by Henry McCusker of Silverwood Lurgan to mark the second victory in 1869 0f Lord Lurgan`s famous greyhound in the Waterloo Cup. On the twelfth of December that day of renown, McGrath and his keeper they left Lurgan Town A gale on the Channell soon blew them oe`r, On the thirteenth they landed on fair England`s shore. ^^ Ard Mhacha. |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 05 Oct 02 - 05:46 AM Farewell to Fiunary (spelled Funery in the DT) was written by Rev Tormod Mac Leòid [Norman McLeod]. ^^There are several errors in the DT; a better version is at www.tannahillweavers.com Also Alice made corrections at the thread Slan le Fionnairigh. broken link We don't know whether or not the lyrics sung by Kist O' Deil and Tannahill Weavers areMcLeod's original - there is some doubt - The song has become best known in the Gaelic translation by Archibald Sinclair and some people have re-translated the Gaelic into English! |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Oct 02 - 04:50 AM Take Your Time was by Peter Mundey, not Loudon Wainwright. Link leads to thread with lyrics and songwriter correction. ^^ -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Date: 26 Sep 02 - 07:38 PM Thanks for the info on Harriet Blann, Malcolm. I'll have to look the book up when I get to Britain next year. (Now, if every Mudcatter contributed one digitalised book a year to the Gutenberg Project, what a marvellous library we'd have by Hogmanay 2003! :-)) |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 26 Sep 02 - 10:45 AM That's in my earlier list, but I only mentioned Bob. Was it a dual credit, then? The record label just says PEGG. Here's another: SONG OF THE SEALS was written, as Song To the Seals, by Harold Boulton (words) and Granville Bantock (music). As Bantock died in 1946, it should be assumed still to be in copyright. |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant Date: 26 Sep 02 - 10:17 AM Sorry, meant to type Bob & Carole Pegg. |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant Date: 26 Sep 02 - 09:53 AM Rise up Jock was written by Dave & Carole Pegg. ^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 25 Sep 02 - 08:32 PM I quote from the book Shepherd of the Downs,ed. Colin Andrews, 1979: "The song is written in a different hand on a loose sheet of paper, pencil lined. The sheet is inscribed: this Song is for You my Making H. Blann." |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Date: 25 Sep 02 - 06:04 PM That's what I gathered, Malcolm, but have we got any proof? Where does the info come from that it was 'probably' his sister who re-wrote the song, not himself? |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 24 Sep 02 - 10:17 PM It was probably Michael Blann's sister Harriet who re-wrote the song. She called it Blann's Beer; it was never called Michael Blann's Drinking Song until recorded by Revival performers. |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Date: 24 Sep 02 - 06:20 PM Additional (and conflicting) info on 'Michael Blann's Drinking Song' above: [1976:] Michael Blann was a shepherd, singer and whistle player who lived near Shoreham in Sussex, until about 1930. He wrote out a book of his songs in the 1880s and the book, including this song, is preserved in Worthing Museum. But Blann did not write the song, and its history is more complex still. It was written by John Hollamby, a grinder at Hailsham windmill, who in 1827 published the words in an anthology called 'The Unlettered Muse'. There it was called Gooch's Strong Beer. Blann, I think, adapted these words and added the chorus. The tune is, of course, Yankee Doodle. (Vic Gammon, notes 'The Tale of Ale') ^^ Could this mean it wasn't Blann, but his sister who adapted the words from John Hollamby's song? The Jeelie Piece Song is attributed to Adam MacNaughton in the DT. This should be MacNaughtan. ^^ And in Bells of Rhymney, the town of Neathe should be spelled Neath. ^^ Am I being too pedantic? |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant Date: 24 Sep 02 - 07:11 AM "In my Liverpool Home" was written by Stan Kelly (real name Stan Bootle). ^^ Malcolm says below: Stan Kelly (Bootle) wrote "I Wish I Was Back in Liverpool," and others (see his website at Stan Kelly-Bootle), but never claimed to have written In My Liverpool Home. Pete McGovern is usually blamed for it! -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant Date: 24 Sep 02 - 06:53 AM The Bolinder Song was written by Dave Blagrove of Stoke Bruerne. ^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Sep 02 - 01:46 AM Candy Man 2 - 1971 pop song by Leslie Briscusse and Anthony Newley, from the movie Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. #1 hit for Sammy Davis, Jr. ^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 22 Sep 02 - 10:26 PM Also not in the 2002 DT is the information on Mairi's Wedding. Written by Johnny Bannerman in 1938 and translated by Sir Hugh Robertson a year later into English. |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 22 Sep 02 - 04:08 PM Dean Cadalan Samhach was written by John MacRae, the Kintail Bard. He had emigrated to North Carolina in 1774, where the song was written a few years later. Some contend that due to the subject matter it was actually written by his wife. Except for the speculation about his wife, the information was found in the Emigrant Experience by Sister Margaret MacDonnell of St. FX University. ^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Sep 02 - 03:34 PM I think we've established that Rare Ould Times was written by Pete St. John. Big Mick has found his St. John songbook that somebody borrowed from him, and will come up with the goods on this one for us. -Joe Offer- ^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Sep 02 - 10:31 PM Beer Barrel Polka (Roll Out the Barrel) was a popular Czech song, music by Jaromir Vejvoda. English lyrics by Lew Brown were published in 1934. Source: American Popular Songs, by David Ewen. -Joe Offer, former Milwaukeean- ^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Dave Bryant Date: 13 Sep 02 - 11:13 AM "It's a long way to Tipperary" was written by JACK JUDGE. Bill Caddick even wrote a song about it for his show "Sunny Memories". Harry Williams is often included in the credits, but that was only because he'd been a good friend of Jack's who'd often lent him money when trade was poor, and Jack promised in return that is he ever wrote a best-selling song, he would put Harry's name on it. See this thread (click) for details. -Joe Offer- ^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: IanC Date: 13 Sep 02 - 09:42 AM Here it is ... in fact the whole Waltzing Matilda music is well documented in This Thread.
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Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: IanC Date: 13 Sep 02 - 09:32 AM Joe re: Waltzing Matilda's tune, I recently gave some information but not in that thread. Unfortunately, AS USUAL, I can't find it. I'll keep trying.
:-) Here it is ... in fact the whole Waltzing Matilda music is well documented in This Thread.
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Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Date: 13 Sep 02 - 09:11 AM Joe - If you read the thread on Strange Fruit, there is no way you can find the DT attribution plausible - Billie Holiday and others who were there all say that Lewis Allen wrote 'Strange Fruit' that is the only correct attribution, and why are you the sole arbiter here?
I think that Allan/Meeropol would have reason for complaint if his name were not mentioned at all - but it was. Please note that this "attributions" thread was started after the 2002 edition of the database was completed. Nothing that has been posted here will appear in the 2002 database, unless Dick Greenhaus had already received corrected information from other sources. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,guest Date: 12 Sep 02 - 10:34 PM LORENA, the popular Civil War song, published in 1857. Words (poetry) by Rev. H. D. L. Webster. Music by J. P. Webster. Not attributed in the DT. ^^ See thread 14713: Lorena with references to sheet music by Masato Sakurai and others. File name and tune file given as Lorenna; should be Lorena. filenames are NOT words that appear in the song - purposely misspelled to be different. |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Sep 02 - 08:47 PM I compared the attributions above with the 2002 Digital Tradition. Very few of the corrections made it into the 2002 DT, but this list was started after Dick Greenhaus had finished compiling the database. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim McLean Date: 05 Sep 02 - 01:00 PM As advised by Joe,I'm adding this note. My song 'The Massacre of Glencoe' appears under many different titles. here are a few: Glencoe, The Rape of Glencoe, The Ballad of Glencoe, The Battle of Glencoe, The Sad Glen (This was a blatant attempt at ripping me off!!') My song 'Smile in your Sleep' also appears under various titles: Don't Cry in your Sleep, Hush hush, Highland Lullaby,They came in a Blizzard. And quite often under 'Traditional' Thanks, Jim Mclean |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Jim McLean Date: 05 Sep 02 - 01:00 PM As advised by Joe,I'm addaing this note. My song 'The Massacre of Glencoe' appears under many different titles. here are a few: Glencoe, The Rape of Glencoe, The Ballad of Glencoe, The Battle of Glencoe, The Sad Glen (This was a blatant attempt at ripping me off!!') My song 'Smile in your Sleep' also appears under various titles: Don't Cry in your Sleep, Hush hush, Highland Lullaby,They came in a Blizzard. And quite often under 'Traditional' Thanks, Jim Mclean |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jul 02 - 08:55 PM I KNOW we came up with the name of the songwriter of "Key of R," and Bill Day denies responsibility. Whodunit? Not corrected in 2002 DT - how can we "correct it" when there is no answer yet as to who wrote it? January, 2004: Elizabeth W. "Libbie" Anthony of the group "Women, Women, and Song" wrote the "Key of R." Note that the US has "amber waves of grain." See thread. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST,Malcolm Douglas Date: 29 Jul 02 - 08:40 PM Ah, the old OCR problem. MRS. ADLAM'S ANGELS The DT file tentatively credits this song to Brian Bowers, which is wrong; Ralph McTell wrote it. There are mis-hearings in the transcription, too, which I'll correct in the current Tunes Wanted thread when I get a midi sorted out. NOT corrected in 2002 DT ^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jul 02 - 08:05 PM I did a search for songs by Joe Hill, and didn't come up with Preacher and the Slave. I figured out the reason - the DT lists the songwriter as "Joe HilI." -Joe Offer- Corrected in 2002 DT |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: greg stephens Date: 28 Jul 02 - 07:24 AM Thomas A Dorsey that should be, I think. He was quite a stickler for it, and there is another famous musician called Tommy Dorsey. |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 27 Jul 02 - 06:11 PM According to Peace In the Valley was written by Tommy Dorsey Thread #49846 Message #755870 Posted By: greg stephens 28-Jul-02 - 07:24 AM Thread Name: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
Thomas A Dorsey that should be, I think. He was quite a stickler for it, and there is another famous musician called Tommy Dorsey. Peace in the Valley Words and Music by Thomas A. Dorsey. Copyright Thomas A. Dorsey, 1936 -Joe Offer- Unattributed in 2002 Digital Tradition ^^ |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread From: GUEST Date: 26 Jul 02 - 11:06 PM "Wae's me for Prince Charlie" is in Hogg's Jacobite Relics, II, #99, 1821. In the notes he notes that it was said to be by Willam Glen. Hogg gives the tune, and in the notes mentions that it is "The Gypsie Laddie". Hogg has a further (last) verse to the song as follows. But now the bird saw some redcoats, ^^
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