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Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 14 Nov 07 - 07:17 AM For completeness on Derwentwater's Farewell: the Roud Index gives another two references for the song in English Dance and Song 32:1 (1979), p20. and Whittaker: North Countrie Ballads Songs & Pipe-Tunes 2 pp.124-125. I had the following information from Malcolm Douglas re. the ED&S article, which in fact covers both of these: "It was a reprint from W G Whittaker, North Countrie Ballads and Pipe Tunes, 1921. The text is the same as Songs of Northern England, and the tune is as in Northumbrian Minstrelsy, except that the final note in the penultimate bar is an f# instead of a g." Mick |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 13 Nov 07 - 01:19 PM I should have added that Motherwell gives the tune for Derwentwater as Tune 4. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 13 Nov 07 - 12:44 PM There are three Derwentwater songs: they have first lines and Roud Nos. as follows (titles vary a bit): Lord Derwentwater Our king he has wrote a long letter Roud: 89 Derwentwater Oh Derwentwater's a bonny lord Roud: 3158 Derwentwater's Farewell Farewell to pleasant Dilston Hall Roud: 2616 The song from Motherwell is a version of Roud:89 and Malcolm points out in his post above that the 2nd tune is the tune associated with that. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Susan of DT Date: 13 Nov 07 - 08:58 AM Here is Lord Derwentwater from Motherwell. LORD DERWENTWATER Our King has wrote a long letter, And sealed it ower with gold; He sent it to my lord Dunwaters, To read it if he could. He has not sent it with a boy, Nor with any Scots lord; But he's sent it with the noblest knight, E'er Scotland could afford. The very first line that my lord did read, He gave a smirkling smile; Before he had the half of it read, The tears from his eyes did fall. "Come saddle to me my horse," he said, Come saddle to me with speed; For I must away to fair London town, For to me there was ne' er more need.' Out and spoke his lady gay, In child bed where she lay; "I would have you make your will, my lord Dunwaters, Before you go away." "I leave to you, my eldest son, My houses and my land; I leave to you, my youngest son, Ten thousand pounds in hand. "I leave to you, my lady gay, You are my wedded wife; I leave to you, the third of my estate, That'll keep you in a lady's life." They had not rode a mile but one, Till his horse fell owre a stane ; "Its a warning good enough," my lord Dunwaters said, Alive I'll ne'er come hame." When they came to fair London town, Into the courtier's hall ; The lords and knights of fair London town, Did him a traitor call. "A traitor, a traitor," says my lord, "A traitor how can that be ? An it be nae for the keeping five thousand men; To fight for King Jamie. "O all you lords and knights in fair London town, Come out and see me die; O all you lords and knights in fair London town, Be kind to my ladie. "There's fifty pounds in my right pocket, Divide it to the poor; There's other fifty in my left pocket, Divide it from door to door." From Motherwell This is a Jacobite ballad, and refers to the fate of the unfortunate Earl of Derwentwater, who suffered for high treason, in the ill-concerted rising of 1715. It is given from recitation. In the " remains of Nithsdale anti Galloway song," is a fragment, entitled t' Derwentwater," said to be " taken from the recitation of a young girl in the parish of Kirkbean, Galloway," -information as precise as one could reasonably look for, in things of this sort ; but the character which that work has unhappily, but justly, gain. ed for its literary impositions, precludes one from placing any reliance on its statements. The same fragment is again paraded in Mr Allan Cunningbam's " Songs of Scotland," without the slightest allusion being made to the fact of its being from first to last, a production of his own pen. Now, though it is readily granted, that the poem in question is not so food as some others which the author has written in a similar vein; at the name time, it must be observed, that, thus to impose on the ignorant and the credulous, by giving as the productions of another age, that which he feels reluctant to father as his own bantling, is in itself uncandid and altogether bequeath the noble-mindedness of genius. Of the Lord Derwentwater, Ritson has preserved a song in his Northumberland Garland, in no degree more poetical than the following homely strain. The name given to his lordship by the old woman, from whom the ballad was received, is retained in the text. The Editor has been favoured by Mr Sharpe with another copy of the ballad, containing a few variations not of much importance. @Jacobite @history filename[ DERWLORD SOF Have we decided what tune goes with this? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Susan of DT Date: 13 Nov 07 - 08:06 AM Here is I'll Never Love Thee More from D'Urfey. No William, no Margaret, no ghost. I'LL NEVER LOVE THEE MORE My Dear and only Love take heed, How thou thy self expose ; And let not longing Lovers feed, -Upon such looks as those I'll Marble Wall thee round about, And Build without a Door ; But if my Love doth once break out, I'll never Love thee more. If thou hast love that thou refine, And tho' thou seest me not ; Yet paralell'd that Heart of thine Shall never be forgot But if Unconstancy admit, A Stranger to bear sway; My Treasure that proves counterfeit, And he may gain the Day. I'll lock my self within a Cell, And wander under Ground For there is no such Faith in her, As there is to be found I'll curse the Day that e'er thy Face, My Soul did so betray ; And so for ever, evermore, I'll sing Oh well-a-day! Like Alexander I will prove, For I will reign alone ; I'll have no Partners in my Love, Nor Rivals in my "Throne I'll do by thee as Nero did, When Rome was set on fire ; Not only all relief forbid, But to the Hills retire. I'll fold my Arms like Ensigns up, Thy falshood to deplore ; And after such a bitter Cup, I'll never love thee more. Yet for the Love I bore thee once, And lest that Love should die ; A Marble Tomb of Stone I'll write, The Truth to testifie That all the Pilgrims passing by, May see and so implore ; And stay and read the reason why, I'll never love thee more. From D'Urfey Pills to Purge Melancholy, Vol 6, page 122, originally from 1719 Tune used for Derwentwater's Lament and Danny Deever filename[ NEVRLOVE play.exe~DRWNTFRW SOF |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:21 PM The DT entries assume that 'Derwentwater's Farewell / Goodnight' (Roud 2616) are versions of 'Lord Derwentwater' (Roud 89, Child 208), which is not the case. They are unrelated, though on the same subject. Lesley Nelson (Giok's link above) makes the same incorrect assumption. DRWNTFRW2.MID is Motherwell's 'Lord Derwentwater' tune (from A Blaikie, Paisley), while DRWNTFRW3.MID was noted by Charles Gamblin and Ralph Vaughan Williams from Mrs Goodyear of Axford, Hampshire, in August 1907 (as 'Lord Ellenwater'). Both midis are wrongly barred. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 12 Nov 07 - 02:41 PM Re my post of 12:22 and the problems with the tune version in Hogg for Derwentwater. The first half of the tune didn't make sense (it was in 6/8, key C and didn't seem to fit the words, whereas the 2nd part was in 3/4 key G and did) and I suspected it was an error in the printing. I've just had a look at a different copy and the tune there is the same as in The Minstrelsy, so it probably was just a printing error in the first copy I checked. So back to the other 2 tunes listed for Derwentwater's Farewell in the DT. Hogg gives the same tune for both Derwentwater and Derwentwater's Goodnight (=Derwentwater's Farewell) and this is the only tune I've heard for Derwentwater's Farewell - the same tune as in The Minstrelsy. The other two, as far as I know, have only been used for Derwentwater, not Derwentwater's Farewell. (I think that's what I mean!). Mick |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Little Robyn Date: 12 Nov 07 - 02:02 PM The third version, Lou Killen's version, is the one we do. It's been our party piece since 1973! My husband, Mitch sings Lou's words and I do the Colin Ross bit. Robyn |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:02 AM Thanks to Masato for the link to the 10th edition of The Dancing Master. The tune there is definitely moving closer to the Minstrelsy version of Derwentwater's Farewell (which is all I've ever heard it sung to, or indeed played), certainly closer than the Gamble version: X:4 T:Never Love Thee More B:John Playford: The Dancing Master 10th Edition, 1698 M:6/4 L:1/4 K:G D> E D G2 A|B> c B A2 G|d B2 A2 G|E3-E2 E| D> E D G2 A|B> c B A2 G|d B2 c2 d|e3-e2 e| d B2 A2 G|c2 d e> d c|d B c A2 G|E3-E2 E| D> E D G> A G|B c d e> d c|d B c A2 G|G3-G2|| Thanks to Murray for spotting my typo in the quotes from Simpson (perhaps a Mudelf could correct it there - delete my interpolated c). As Wolfhound person mentioned, the tune is in The Charlton Memorial Tunebook, where it's give as a duet, arranged by W.J.Stafford. The duet is a straighforward arrangement of the tune, with the melody essentially as in The Minstrelsy and a harmony part mostly a third or a sixth above the melody, keeping the same rhythm as the melody. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring Date: 12 Nov 07 - 01:50 AM Susan - Mick's quote from Simpson [p. 355] gives my source - though it's "Orpheus Caledonius", notice. The ballad is the one beginning "Twas at the silent Midnight-Hour, When all were fast asleep; In glided Margaret's grimly Ghost, And stood at William's feet". Words by Scots poet David Mallet [or Malloch]. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: masato sakurai Date: 11 Nov 07 - 07:13 PM Playford's The Dancing Master (10th ed., 1698). "Never love thee more" is on p. 110. D'Urfey's Songs compleat, pleasant and divertive, set to musick (Volume 6) (1719) (aka Pills to Purge Melancholy). "A Song: My Dear and only Love take heed" is on pp. 122-123. Herd's Ancient and modern Scottish songs, heroic ballads, etc.; (Volume 1) (1869). "I'll ne'er love thee more" (texts only) is on pp. 236-241. Watson's Choice collection of comic and serious Scots poems (1869). "My Dear and only Love" (2 parts) is in Part III, No. 66 (pp. 107-112). Hogg's The Jacobite Relics of Scotland, 2nd series (1821). "Derwentwater" (with tune) is on pp. 28-30; "Lord Derwentwater's Good-Night" on pp. 30-31; see also notes (pp. 268-271). |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: CET Date: 11 Nov 07 - 02:52 PM Barry, you will have to sing it the next time we meet. Masato, I might have known you would come up with something. That's a great video. Edmund |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 11 Nov 07 - 12:22 PM Having said that about the other two tunes in the DT, I might have to revise my opinion! I've just looked at Hogg's Jacobite Relics where Derwentwater's Farewell appears as Lord Derwentwater's Goodnight To the foregoing Air. The words there are virtually identical to those in the Minstrelsy ("The last time I mounted thee" and "six maids of fair Tynedale" seem to be the only differences). The foregoing Air is in fact for a version of Derwentwater. Although the notation seems a bit strange, the last part of the tune is familiar from Derwentwater's Farewell, though not the first part. When I decide what the notation's meant to be, I'll post the tune from there!. Mick |
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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: DERWENTWATER'S FAREWELL From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:00 AM The following is taken from the entry for I'll Never Love Thee more in Claude M. Simpson's The British Broadside Ballad And it's Music (I've omitted some text, added my own paragraph breaks and inserted a few comments on mine in <...>: The tune derives it's name from the refrain of a song beginning "My dear and only love, take heed". Five stanzas of the text are found in Wit and Drollery, 1656, closely resembling the version in BM MS Harl. 2127 fols 8, 5v (late 17th c). John Gamble's MS Commonplace Book, 1659 No.274 contains a five-stanza text and the air with bass. <See below - MCP>. The tune, called "Never love thee more" is in The Dancing Master, beginning with the 7th ed, 1686 <Footnote says it was in the 6th ed 1679, Supplement , pp 22-23, but page 22 with the tune is missing in the only known MS copy (BM). The dance directions on p23 agree with those in the 7th ed - MCP> The words appear in Pills, 1719-1720, VI, 122 with a tune which appears to be a tenor part rather than a melodic line. <See below - MCP> The music printed for "William and Margaret. An old Scotch Ballad with the original Scotch tune" in Thompson's Orpheus Caledonicus, 1725, No.49, is actually a version of "I'll never love thee more". ...<Omitted many references to songs printed with the tune or directing it to be used>... About 1643 James Graham, Marquis of Montrose, wrote a five-stanza poem to his mistress<See Stokoe's notes below where he thinks the poem is political - MCP>, beginning "My dear and only love, I pray", and incorporating the familiar refrain "I'll never love thee more". As we have already seen, the original ballad was well known some years before Montrose penned his lines. The poem is found in Watson's Choice Collection of ... Scots Poems, Part III, 1711 (1869) p107, in Herd's Scottish Songs, 1776, I, 236, in Poems of James Graham, Marquis of Montrose, ed J.L.Weir, 1938, p19 and on 18th C. broadsides; in every case Montrose's poem is followed by a second part in 13 stanzas, beginning "My dear and only love, take heed", which is in reality the original broadside. ... The popularity of the song in Scotland is further suggested by the presence of the original tune, called "Montroses Lynes", in Dr. John Leyden's MS Lyra Viol Book, No. 59 (after 1690), and in the Blaikie Lyra Viol MS, No 52, about 1745. Derwentwater's Farewell appears in Bruce & Stokoe's Northumbrian Minstrelsy, 1882 and in Stokoe's Songs of Northern England, ^^^ 1893 with the same tune (one minor difference: the dotted quaver/semiquaver over fa-ther's in the Minstrelsy is replaced by two quavers in Songs) but the text (6 stanzas each) are arranged differently (with some slight change of material). The DT text is the version from the Minstrelsy and is correct (one minor punctuation difference and counsell'dst with one l not 2 as in my copy) but I give both texts here to make comparison easier. Northumbrian Minstrelsy DERWENTWATER'S FAREWELL Farewell to pleasant Dilston Hall, My father's ancient seat, A stranger now must call thee his, Which gars my heart to greet. Farewell each friendly, well-known face, My heart has held so dear, My tenants now must leave their lands Or hold their lives in fear. No more along the banks of Tyne I'll rove in autumn gray, No more I'll hear at early dawn The lav'rocks wake the day, Then fare thee well, brave Witherington, And Forster, ever true, Dear Shaftesbury and Errington Receive my last adieu. And fare thee well, George Collingwood, Since fate has put us down, If thou and I have lost our lives Our King has lost his crown. Farewell, farewell, my lady dear, Ill, ill, thou counsell'dst me; I never more may see the babe That smiles upon thy knee. And fare thee well, my bonny gray steed, That carried me aye so free; I wish I had been asleep in my bed Last time I mounted thee. The warning bell now bids me cease, My trouble's nearly o'er, Yon sun that rises from the sea Shall rise on me no more. Albeit that, here in London town It is my fate to die, Oh! carry me to Northumberland, In my father's grave to lie. There chant my solemn requiem In Hexham's holy towers; And let six maids from fair Tynedale Scatter my grave with flowers. And when the head that wears the crown Shall be laid low like mine, Some honest hearts may then lament For Radcliffe's fallen line. Farewell to pleasant Dilston Hall, My father's ancient seat, A stranger now must call thee his, Which gars my heart to greet. Notes James, Earl of Derwentwater, having unhappily engaged in the rebellion of 1715, was beheaded on Tower Hill on the 24th February, 1716. His youth, his amiability, his rank, his bravery, drew forth the sympathy of the whole nation, but especially of the inhabitants of Northumberland. The song first appeared in Hogg's "Jacobite Relics of Scotland", having been communicated to the editor by Mr.Surtees, of Mainsforth. Mr.Surtees, in writing to the Ettrick Shepherd says: "I send you all I can recover of it, just as I had it". The elegance of the composition, and it's resemblance to some of his other poems, renders it more than probable that Mr.Surtees was himself the author. The tune to which this ballad is set is of considerable antiquity. It originally appears in the "Commonplace Book" of John Gamble (a musical composer), dated 1659, under the title of "My dear and only love take heed". Numerous songs more less popular have been written to it from that date to later times; amongst others being the song written by the celebrated James Graham, Marquess of Montrose, commencing - "My dear and only love I pray This noble world of thee" the burden of each verse being - "I'll never love thee more" This song made the tune very popular in Scotland, where it often appears in collections under the title of "Montrose Lynes". Oswald, in his "Collection of Scottish Airs", 1781, inserts this melody, but gives it as the tune to which the ballad of "Chevy Chase" is sung; and in Sir Walter Scott's "Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border", a mutilated fragment of the tune is given as the melody of the ballads "Jock o' the Syde", "Dick o' the Cow" &c. These adaptations are both erroneous, as the ballads named have each their own particular melodies, which are given in this volume. Songs Of Northern England: DERWENTWATER'S FAREWELL Farewell to pleasant Dilston Hall, My father's ancient seat; A stranger now must call thee his, Which gars my heart to greet. Farewell each friendly, well-known face, My heart has held so dear; My tenants now must leave their lands, Or hold their lives in fear. No more along the banks of Tyne I'll rove in autumn gray, No more I'll hear at early dawn The lav'rocks wake the day. And who shall deck the hawthorn bower, Where my fond childhood strayed? And who, when Spring shall bid it flower, Shall sit beneath the shade. And fare thee well, George Collingwood, Since fate has put us down, If thou and I have lost our lives, Our King has lost his crown. But when the head that wears the crown Shall be laid low like mine, Some honest hearts may then lament For Radcliffe's fallen line. Farewell, farewell, my lady dear, Ill, ill, thou counsell'dst me; I never more may see the babe That smiles upon thy knee. Then fare thee well, brave Widdrington, And Forster ever true; Dear Shaftesbury and Errington Receive my last adieu. And fare thee well, my bonny gray steed That carried me aye so free, I wish I had been asleep in my bed Last time I mounted thee. The warning bell now bids me cease, My trouble's nearly o'er; Yon sun that rises from the sea Shall rise on me no more. Albeit that, here in London town It is my fate to die; Oh! carry me to Northumberland, In my father's grave to lie. There chant my solemn requiem, In Hexham's holy towers; And let six maids from fair Tynedale Scatter my grave with flowers. Notes: In the dearth of Northumberland Jacobite songs the ballad of "Derwentwater's Farewell" is usually accepted as an interesting reminiscence of the Jacobite rising of 1715. There is more than a suspicion that it was the offspring of the facile pen of the late Robert Surtees of Mainsforth, although he represented it to his friend and correspondent, Sir Walter Scott, as a poem of the period to which it refers; and it was inserted, on Scott's recommendation, in James Hogg's Jacobite Relics of Scotland in 1819. The tune is much older than the ballad, or even the historical event it celebrates, as it was popular in England in the early part of the seventeenth century, under the name of "I'll never love thee more", from the refrain or recurring final line of the stanzas of the song to which it was sung. The celebrated James Graham, Marquis of Montrose, wrote a paraphrase of the English song, addressed to the State (for which he had made such great exertions and sacrifices) instead of a flesh and blood mistress, which often appeared in old Scottish collections under the title of Montrose's Lynes, melody as well as words being claimed for that nationality. <plus ca change - MCP> It would be interesting to know how the changes came about between the two versions - is the 2nd an alternative or did Stokoe tidy it up for Songs (and write the few extra lines in the second stanza). I prefer the order from songs and the version I sing is derived from that (with a few changes of my own!). Since EmmaB has mentioned Louis Killen's version, and since that was the first version I learned, I'll give his 3 verse distillation of the song here too: DERWENTWATER'S FAREWELL Fareweel to pleasant Dilston Hall, My father's ancient seat, A stranger now must call thee his, Which gars my heart to greet. Fareweel each friendly, well-known face, My heart has held so dear, My tenants now must leave their lands Or hold their lives in fear. And fare thee weel, my bonny gray steed, That carried me aye so free; I wisht I'd been sleeping in my bed Last time I mounted thee. Fareweel, fareweel, my lady dear, Ill, ill, thou counselled me; I never more may see the babe That smiles upon your knee. The warning bell now bids me cease, My trouble's nearly o'er, Yon sun that rises from the sea Shall rise on me no more. Albeit that, here in London town, It is my fate to die, Oh! carry me to Northumberland, In my father's grave to lie. Source: Louis Killen, LP Along The Coaly Tyne Here are the tunes: X:1 T:I'll Never Love Thee More B:Claude M. Simpson: The British Broadside Ballad And Its Music S:John Gamble's Commonplace Book, 1659, No. 274 M:6/4 L:1/4 K:G D|D2 D G2 A|B2 B D2 D|B2 B A2 G|E3-E2 D| D2 D G2 A|B2 B D2 D|B2 B A2 G|d3-d2 d| B2 B A2 G|c2 d He2 d|d2 B A2 G|E3-E2 D| D2 D G2 A|Bcd e2 d|d B2 A2 G|G3-G2|] X:2 T:A Song ("My Dear and only Love take heed") B:T.D'Urfey: Wit And Mirth or Pills To Purge Melancholy, Vol VI, p122 M:6/4 L:1/4 K:G % transposed from Bb N: Word assignment to the tune is mine - they are separate in the book - N: and I've adjusted the line-breaks in thc tune to match N: The original was in Bb and I've transposed down to G for comparison with others B|B2 B B A2|G D2 A2 A|D2 B c2 B|G2 w:My Dear and on-ly love take heed How thou thy-self ex-pose; B B2 B|B A2 D2 E|F2 d d2 d|d2 G A2 w:And let not long-ing Love-rs feed, Up-on such looks as those. I'll Mar-ble Wall thee A|B2 E F2 G|A2 G G2 (G/A/)|B2 D D2 B|G2 w:I'll Mar-ble Wall thee round a-bout, And_ Build with-out a Door; N:lfst gfr is fs eivcn in thc gook flthoueh Burftion is inAorrcAt G G2 G|B A2 (d c) (B/A/)|G2 G F2 E|F2 c B3-B2|| w:But if my Love doth once_ break_ out, I'll nev-er Love thee more._ X:3 T:Derwentwater's Farewell B:Bruce & Stokoe: Northumbrian Minstrelsy, 1882 M:3/4 L:1/4 K:G D|D3/4E/4 G G|A3/4B/4 D> w:Fare-ell to pleas-nt Dil-ton Hall, B|c3/4B/4 A> G|E2 w:My fa-her's an-cient seat, G|D3/4E/4 G G|A3/4B/4 D> w:A stran-ger now must call thee his, B|c3/4B/4 c d|e2 w:Which gars my heart to greet. e|d3/4B/4 A G|c3/4d/4 e> w:Fare-well each friend-ly, well-known face, e|d3/4B/4 A> G|E2 w:My heart has held so dear, G|D3/4E/4 G G|A3/4B/4 Hc> w:My ten-ants now must leave their lands e|d/B/ A> G|G2|| w:Or hold their lives in fear. I've only got an early version of The Dancing Master without I'll Never Love Thee More. Perhaps mudcatter matkeen who recently bought the Jeremy Barlow edition of Playford could tell us if the version there differs from the version above and maybe post the tune. I noticed, by the way, that in the DT that three tunes are given with Derwentwater's Farewell, but the second and third don't belong with it. They are for the song that appears in the Minstrelsy as Derwentwater and variously as Lord Derwentwater/Lord Dunwaters, starting "Oh Derwentwater's a bonny Lord", or similar. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: GUEST,Dave (Bridge) Date: 11 Nov 07 - 05:44 AM Sorry Susan the tune is not Danny Deaver. Danny Deever is a Barrack Room Ballad by Rudyard Kipling and the tune of DF was put to it by Peter Bellamy |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: terrier Date: 10 Nov 07 - 07:40 PM The number of times I've played William and Margaret and Never love thee more for dances , it never occured to me that it was the same tune as Derwentwater's Farewell.I'll call it tune blindness! Nice thread. :) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Barry Finn Date: 10 Nov 07 - 07:39 PM I would have sung it for you at the Getaway Edmund if you had asked earlier. The one Emma linked you to is on Lou's LP "Old Songs, Old Friends" from Andy's Front Hall Records 1978 don't know if it's been rereleased. Lou only does 3 verses though, I've seen more but that's all I do too. Great song Barry |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: masato sakurai Date: 10 Nov 07 - 07:30 PM The Corries' "Derwentwater's Farewell" is at YouTube. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Emma B Date: 10 Nov 07 - 06:58 PM sorry - trigger happy listen here |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Emma B Date: 10 Nov 07 - 06:57 PM I have this wonderful Louis Killen recording on an old and much loved EP |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Steve Shaw Date: 10 Nov 07 - 06:54 PM The Corries sang a song to this tune but I can't remember much about it. Alastair Anderson recorded an unaccompanied concertina medley which had Derwentwater's Farewell followed by Jimmy Allen and Herd on the Hill. I can't remember which recording. I can't remember much these days, actually. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Susan of DT Date: 10 Nov 07 - 05:53 PM Which William and Margaret, Murray? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring Date: 10 Nov 07 - 04:59 PM It's also used I think for the ballad of "William and Margaret". |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Susan of DT Date: 10 Nov 07 - 04:16 PM The tune is Danny Deaver |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: CET Date: 10 Nov 07 - 03:52 PM Thanks to all. Edmund |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Emma B Date: 10 Nov 07 - 01:53 PM The tune is often called "Montrose Lynes" in Scottish collections and before that "My dear and only love take heed" as it appears in the "Commonplace Book" of John Gamble dated 1659 The tune linked above varies slightly from the one in the Northumbrian Minstrelsy |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: John MacKenzie Date: 10 Nov 07 - 01:52 PM Midi and words. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: greg stephens Date: 10 Nov 07 - 01:48 PM The tune was previously known as "Never Love Thee More", from a line in a song that the Scottish guerilla leader Montrose wrote to tha air.Presumably it was called something else before that, but I don't know what. A lovely tune, and so it commemorates two men who lost everything by supporting the Stuarts(always a mistake in my book): Montrose and Lord Derwentwater. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Stewart Date: 10 Nov 07 - 01:26 PM Here's the tune on thesession.org Cheers, S. in Seattle |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Wolfhound person Date: 10 Nov 07 - 01:01 PM www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/books It's in the Charlton Memorial - the red one. Paws |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: Emma B Date: 10 Nov 07 - 12:16 PM I have just the melody line in a copy of the Northumbrian Minstrelsy I'd be happy to copy and forward that if it's any help |
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Subject: Tune Req: Derwentwater's Farewell From: CET Date: 10 Nov 07 - 11:51 AM Does anybody have, or know where I could get, the sheet music for Derwentwater's Farewell. I'm familiar with the song, but I would like to get the music for the Northumbrian pipe tune. |
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