Thought for the day - May 30

Subject: RE: Thought for the day - May 30
From: Penny S.
Date: 03 Jun 99 - 05:17 AM

Thanks, Rick,

I will, once I have time (end of year tests, reports, next year's inspection preparation-aargh-) look up alll these interesting sites. You must admit, though, that the opening of each of those sites does tend to the class argument. Now, what about the origins of John Dee and Edward Kelley, who also have a mirror to Elizabethan England?

Subject: RE: Thought for the day - May 30
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 May 99 - 12:07 PM

Hi Penny, when I stumbled on the Oxfordians web pages, quite by accident (I was actually trying to find out what exactly a Rhodes Scholar was) being a curious sort, I read most of what they had , and then being somewhat hooked in, I checked out Bacon, Derby, Raleigh, Marlowe, and the rest of the suspects. It's been fun reading the whole thing - and having not ONE IOTA of bias either way, I never once was compelled to say "How dare they...?"
Great thing about the net is that you can see all the pertinent evidence in one (very long ) sitting. Makes it easier to dismiss the stuff that seems just plain silly, or especially the arguments put forward by folks who could lose their important academic credibility by changing their minds and supporting another side.
You're right about those who think that genius must have upper-crust beginnings, but that seems to be a minor part of the DeVere platform. The most intriguing bit of information for me so far is that in Shakepeare's will, not ONE book (not even a bible) or ANYTHING connected to writing is mentioned. I have known far too many writers (songs, books, plays, etc.) and even the most minor of them treasured their accumulated library. I find it a fun mystery - and since I don't care who wins,(?) will continue to be entertained by it.
Sorry to complicate your "thought of the day" Kat, my love, but you know us Mudcatters - we WILL muddy the waters!
rick

Subject: RE: Thought for the day - May 30
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 May 99 - 10:05 AM

Well, at least we're somewhat on topic this time! Thanks! Rick, the Rosicrucians AMORC, have a lot to say on the subject, from way back. Bacon was a member, if I remember right. I try to look it up today and post a bit more.

kat

Subject: RE: Thought for the day - May 30
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 May 99 - 04:56 AM

Well, Kat, if the barbarians get out of hand, you could click 'em over to Abby Sale's Happy Archive. Some months are missing, though. January is the month that made me famous.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Thought for the day - May 30
From: Penny S.
Date: 30 May 99 - 04:20 AM

What sort of conceited individual believes that good old country boys can't read, write or understand the human condition, while the aristocracy can? What evidence is there that being raised in the lap of luxury helps people to understand Launcelot Gobbos, Pistols or gravediggers? OK, Bacon was clever, but not because he was a nobleman. No-one says Newton couldn't have done his work because he was a country boy. No-one says Edison couldn't have done what he did because he wasn't a member of the British ruling class. Genius strikes where it will, and the "nobility" didn't get where they did by being intelligent, so have precisely the same likelihood of being host to it as anyone else.

And, if there is a cryptographic message attributing Shakespeare to Bacon, suppose it was a Renaissance hoax, and not true! Once you admit that sort of thing, you simply cannot know what you should accept or not.

Subject: RE: Thought for the day - May 30
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 May 99 - 01:32 AM

Allright Mr. Fancy Pants, maybe you did, but I'm click here thou worthy a hell of a lot better known than you - AND Queen Elizabeth was my mommy. So Nyah, nyah!

Subject: RE: Thought for the day - May 30
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 May 99 - 01:22 AM

Can't you people get this right? I click here dammit said that!

Subject: Thought for the day - May 30
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 May 99 - 12:27 AM

Brevity is the soul of wit*
- Shakespeare -

*but NOT on the Mudcat!