BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers

Subject: RE: BS: chief mud-slingers in November 2010 election
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 10:47 PM

Well, it was Kendall who said that I said that I wanted to close the BS section completely....but I didn't say that. Nonetheless, I am sick and tired of people screaming "ASSHOLE" at each other. I think I'm going to try this: when it's a multi-sided conflagration, I'm going to close it. I won't let one party force me into closing a thread, but if it's multiple parties on multiple sides of the discussion, I think I'll just shut it down until people start figuring out they should stick to the issues and stop slitting each other's throats.

This thread is closed.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 10:36 PM

Well, hale....

Why not just elect some female mud wrestlers and set up a mud pit in the middle of the House and Senate chambers and rather than vote on anything we just let the gals have at it in the mud???

I mean, we could sell commercials and make a lot of money which we could, in tern, use to get even more women mud wrestlers elected... Purdy sonn we'll have about what we've seen from the Repubs fir the last 2 years...

I mean, my gosh!!! Talk about hypocrisy, corruption and an absolute disregard for the well being of the nation... The Repbs have rewritten the book while opening the door for overtakin' the most corrupt decade in our nation's history... the good ol' 1890s... Yup, history does repeat itself...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 10:24 PM

When someone points out who is, say, funding Dino Rossi's campaign, is that a negative ad? Or is that something that the voters have a right to know?

There are certainly candidates out there who, if someone reveals who is backing them, might consider that to be "negative campaigning."

Well, too bad! Sorry about that!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 09:11 PM

Getting back to Bearded Bruce's initial post, he may well be statistically correct.

In our State of Maine the Republicans went negative first but then the Democrats panicked and went negative BIG TIME against Republicans and Independent candidates.

I'll still vote Democratic on the merits of the the candidates but I don't think the State Democratic Committee's negative strategy will actually win non-Democratic votes on the major State races such as Governor. I hope I'm wrong. Our state is split fairly evenly between Democrats, Republicans and so called Independents.

It's tough running campaigns in hard economic times. And it's even more difficult when there is an amazing amount of undocumented money coming in from out of state.

Follow the money and ignore the personal attacks, unless you're incredibly lonely.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Amos
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 09:03 PM

Bruce:

I suspect that the fact that you vociferously protested a post of mine, while I have never before now posted to this thread, indicates you are working on high-speed auto-association rather than the intent to have two-way communication.    How do you account for it?



A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 06:35 PM

How dare you personally attack me you ASSHOLE!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Slag
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 06:32 PM

900,000 ads? Well, aside from your main point BB, with which I tend to agree (and that comes as no shock to anyone, I'm sure), I have to ask out of how many races? 1/3 the Senate is 33 and a third and the House is what now? 435? That's 468 races. 468/900,000 comes to about 2000 ads per candidate. That seems a bit high to me. Not for California but Podunk and Bugtussle surely aren't airing that many ads. Least wise, I hope not. Only the media will come out winners on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 06:11 PM

Shit River, wider than a mile,
I'm crossing you in style some day.
Oh, dream maker, you heart breaker,
wherever you're going I'm going your way.
Two drifters off to see the world.
There's such a lot of world to see.
We're after the same rainbow's end--
waiting 'round the bend,
my huckleberry friend,
Shit River and me.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 05:55 PM

Amergin,


"You may complain, but you cannot remove them...."

NOT WHAT I SAID!!!!



Perhaps you might READ MY POST:

" I WILL REQUEST YOU BE REMOVED. "

I have the same right as others here to make REQUESTS.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 05:50 PM

Yes , he will, as long as you don't want him to hold Obama responsible for anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:58 PM

Do what I do, Amergin. Appoint Amos to argue FOR you on these threads when you have more important stuff that needs doing... ;-)

Amos is a swell guy, and he will always step up to the plate.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Amergin
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:45 PM

You may complain, but you cannot remove them....btw, my name is not Amos, but thanks for the compliment.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:45 PM

SPLURT!!!!!!!!!

More poop. Man, the APP is really out there fighting the good fight today. Go team, go!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:43 PM

Amos,

"you never make a case to your side"

Please READ my posts, if this is what YOU think.


I can cewrtainly complain about peopel who make personnal attacks in an effort to silence people they disagree with. As I said, IF Mudcat is to become a "Liberal ONLY" area, it should be recognized, and NOT pretended that any attempt at fair discussion is allowed.

Look at JtS method of determining truth- If he dosen't l;iker it, it is a "river of shit" REGARDLESS of the quoted source, and HE has NO obligatuion to back up anything he states as fact. I am tired of being told that something is TRUE, when the facts tell any sane person that they are NOT FACTUAL, but opinion. To statge that "Only the factys that agree with what I want to believe are allowed to be brought up" is not a basis for reasonable discussion.

If what you want is a circle-jerk of people agreeing on a set of beliefs, SAY SO: Don't abuse those of us that WANT to know BOTH sides of the issue, and only see one ( or none, factually) presented here.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Amergin
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:35 PM

Well, BB, I am wondering how you got the idea YOU could have people removed? Also, SRS did not attack you. She was just pointing out the obvious. Every thread you start here has a theme...and they all follow the same plot, Dems/Liberals bad, Repubs/Cons good, and yet you never tell us why you have the opinion....you never make a case to your side, so when she was pointing that out, your egocentric, paranoid, little mind couldn't think up an intelligent response so it reverted back to the schoolyard: "I'm telling! I'll have you kicked out!" As if you have the power, because you thought it was a personal attack. Well, I guess now you'll go crying to Joe, and have my membership revoked, as if I could care, because I, unlike you, am apparently an adult.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:35 PM

Let's just stick to the facts.

Let it be a battle of the facts.

It really doesn't matter who said it, it is what was said that matters.

Even liars mess up and tell the truth once in a while.

Some researcher made up phony stem cell research results but that did not discredit all researchers.

Settle down and quit acting like two brothers.

All that you are lying bullshit does nothing but discredit you, not the other guy.

If you don't agree with that then it's squirt guns at 1000 yards.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:27 PM

Oh, and there's a jackrabbit in Idaho too. He votes APP every time.

With luck more jackrabbits may soon be persuaded to cast their votes for REAL change in America!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:22 PM

Ebbie - Well....I admit that APE is an absolutely inspired acronym for Chongo's party! But....they are for now the APP (American Primate Party). It's true that Chongo objects strenuously to the poop-throwing stereotype, but he didn't post that post. I did. I am not Chongo. You must remember that.   ;-) A creator should not necessarily be associated with all the flaws and foibles of his creations, right? ;-) My creations have free will and minds of their own, and they often do and say things I would not, and vice versa.

Thinking about it...I believe the main reason they didn't select the acronym APE is this: it would exclude monkeys. Monkeys form over half the membership of the American Primate Party. The remainder are apes, and a few sympathetic humans and a few lemurs. They couldn't possibly call it the APE without offending the monkeys and losing many votes.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 03:53 PM

Factual comment, Don:

"They looked at 900,000 airing of political ads this year and concluded: "Democrats are using personal attacks at much higher rates than Republicans "

I can give examples, but this was a study OF ALL INFORMATION, NOT just the ones that support what you want to believe. Given several studies of this sort, perhaps the truth can be determined: Given your post, there is too liuttle information, and from a biased source, to determine very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 03:48 PM

Not any more of a personal attack than I've been subject to repeatedly, pdq. I've had far worse things said to and about me by people such as you.

That horse is lame, and it won't take you anywhere.

Of course, you didn't pay any attention to anything I said above; that's because it doesn't square with your viewpoint.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 02:46 PM

Ebbie,

I start a thread ( showing that comments made by some on Mudcat are false) and get personnal attacks. If you think this is OK, let Joe offer know- I was told this was NOT suitible for a discussion forum.

If Mudcat is to be a Liberal view only forum, then let's be open about it ad stop pretending to be fair.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 02:39 PM

A little parable:

Some years ago an off-duty policeman was in a local nightclub (in Oregon), drank a bit too much and became combative and obnoxious when a couple of (civilian) patrons began needling him about his activities as a cop.

There was a shouting match and eventually, in a great huff, the policeman called in on his radio and requested assistance in taking in some of the patrons.

The cops came, listened and observed. Then they put the off-duty cop in handcuffs and took him away.

There's more than one way to diss others, bb; you do it all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 02:24 PM

Wesleyan Media Project

Feel free to call them what you wish- make another personnal attack on ME and I will request you be removed.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: pdq
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 02:24 PM

Don Firth:

I don't see anyone talking about your orifices, but you surely have them.

Joe Offer just warned people a couple of days ago about the hateful personal attack that are now commonplcae may result in closing th BS section permanately.

Your last post was a nasty personal attack and shows that your are a close-minded political partisan who is trying to drive opposing view off the forum.

The "ethnic cleansing" of all people who oppose your view is arrogant and cowardly and reflects badly on only one person: you.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 02:10 PM

Dino Rossi (Republican candidate for Washington State Senator) started of with some downright bitchy ads about incumbent Senator Patty Murray consisting of a litany of outright lies about what she has and has not done during her term of office. That has been the thrust of Rossi's whole campaign.

Patty Murray started a clean campaign, stressing her accomplishments and outlining her plans for the future, but has been forced by Rossi's libels and slanders to defend herself. She has, indeed, been able to point out where Rossi is getting his funding and has also uncovered a number of fairly shady deals Rossi has been involved with in recent times.

I know Murray's record because I've watched her in action, I know where she stands on the issues, and I know what she's done for both the state and the country. Rossi has run in several campaigns, most recently for state governor (defeated, thank God, by Christine Gregoire), and he has always run slimy attack campaigns.

That's all he's got!

And I see the same pattern all over the country.

So as usual, BB is talking out of his nether orifice. Why am I not surprised?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:55 PM

True, 999- I just resent being taken to task for not being even-handed here, where there are so many biased and bigotted people who are let pass with no comment at all.

My apologies TO YOU.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:52 PM

I have never made a complaint about you. I disagree with some of your politics, but you are also a good friend. (That thing we talked about a year back--it`s coming about. Few more months. I will e-mail you details.) Keep well, and watch that BP.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:49 PM

PLEASE NOTE-

There have been complaints here about me, about my posting this factual article, and such- BUT NO FACTUAL refutation or even discussion OF THE POST. This is an example of the "Liberal" trend to personnal attack and refusal to discuss facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:48 PM

Goddamn it Bruce, she`s a lady. You be nice to her.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:46 PM

BillD,

And YOUR lack of verifiable fact has made MINE.


SRS,

Feel free to comment ON THE FACTS

Continue the personnal attacks and I WILL REQUEST YOU BE REMOVED.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:43 PM

Of course BeardedBruce started this thread. I would expect nothing less of him. I also expect nothing substantive from him, either.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:34 PM

That does not deserve a reply....you made my point.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:32 PM

Incorrect

"YOU do 87.4739% of the collection and posting of partisan quotes here." Is an unsupported lie- "When I (occasionally) do one, I at least comment, explain and defend my opinion." But here you do NOT support YOUR comment, but expect us to take it as fact when you know it is not.

YOUR lack opf comments on the proven lies by liberals here is an indication of your bias and lack off interest in the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:30 PM

Bruce, you KNOW I won`t fall into that one.

I was one of the first liberal types here to actually diss the Dems. I have NO love of that party. Nor do I care for the Repubs. I wish a pox on both their houses and their spawn.

I like your idea about voting out incumbents. I`ve usually voted that way myself. Then I lie about it and say I voted for the Marijuana Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:26 PM

It ain't my job. YOU do 87.4739% of the collection and posting of partisan quotes here. When I (occasionally) do one, I at least comment, explain and defend my opinion.

"Leveling the playing field" does not...or SHOULD not... mean posting exactly as many arguments against your position as for it. Copy & paste articles proves little except that you visit conservative sites and see very little of the other side of things.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:26 PM

What makes J D Boss Hogg Soros ejaculate?
No, It ain't just to masturbate It's

Ev'rybody young n' old
Learns how to rock n' roll
Listen hear, somethin' new
Ev'rybody's jumpin, too

Head stompin', Head stompin'
Head stompin'
Head-stompin', a good time

No wondering and a-guessin'
Don't need dancin' lessons
Listen to the jerky beat
Shake yo' head and stomp yo' feet

Head stompin', Head stompin'
Head stompin'
Head-stompin', a good time

People just the other day
Taught it to my sister, Mae
Bad leg, Mr. Pete
Can do the Head stompin', too

Head stompin', Head stompin'
Head stompin'
Head-stompin', a good time

(instrumental - guitar & sax)

(Boom-boom-boom-boom)
Meet me at the dance hall
(Yeah)
We're gonna have a ball
Sure cure for a corn
'Fore long, real gone

Head stompin', Head stompin'
Head stompin'
Head-stompin', a good time

Head-stompin'
A-Head-stompin', a good time.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:20 PM

And BillD, I will presume that the comments told by LIBERAL sites will be pointed out as biased, and snide comments made.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:18 PM

"SPLAT!@!!!

"Aw, geez....that's not mud, it's poop! Must be the APP (APE? ) again." LH

Is that a misspelling, Little Hawk? I thought you/Chongo object to such stereotyping? :)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:18 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-elections-democratic-closing-argument-personal-attacks/story?id=11996410

was what I had.


So, Conservatives are supposed to shut up, while liberals spread lies???


I note that ONLY conservative complaints seem to be objectionable here.

Shall we discuss even-handed????

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:14 PM

flawed link( when you don't make them often, you forget how...*wry grin*)....but, as usual, a search shows the article quoted by a dozen Conservative web sites

And also as usual, it is WIDE open to interpretation about what constitutes mud-slinging. Ads are one thing....actual remarks by various candidates are another.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:04 PM

SPLAT!@!!!

Aw, geez....that's not mud, it's poop! Must be the APP again. ;-)

Feeling restless and titchy today, Bruce? Vote for the APP this time and get REAL change!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:03 PM

btw, when there are a dozen guitar players, and one banjo player, do you complain that the banjo player should play the guitar to be even-handed???

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 01:00 PM

999,

I see far more comments here about how evil the Republicans are- so I am just trying to level the playiong field.

Have you mentioned your inclinations to any of those who bash Republicans???

Best regards- and my policy this election is to vote out incumbents.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 12:40 PM

As a btw, I think the Dems deserve to have their asses tanned. But spare some of it for the Repubs. Neither party seems to be doing your country or its people much good.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: GUEST,999
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 12:37 PM

Bruce, I truly think you are looking to slam the Dems. You were nowhere near as adamant about the Repubs when they were doing the Swift Boat shit. It`s your right as a voter to voice your protest, but it`s getting tiring. No offence. I`d be more inclined to view your various writings or cut and pastes if I thought you were a little more even-handed than you have been of late. Best regards to you.

Subject: BS: Democrats chief mud-slingers
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 12:33 PM

Democratic Closing Argument: Personal Attacks

Democrats Attack Over Personal Issues, Republicans Over Policy

By JONATHAN KARL
Oct. 28, 2010

It's not just the Aqua Buddha and David Vitter's prostitute, Democratic candidates across the country are closing out the campaign with personal attacks on Republican candidates, sometimes digging up decades-old legal problems.

In one typical example, Democratic ads have transformed Kentucky Republican House candidate Andy Barr into "a convicted criminal" -- complete with images yellow police tape and fuzzy video of crime scenes. Not mentioned is his crime: As a college student 19 years ago, he was caught using a fake ID during spring break.

As you watch this year's ads -- and I've been watching all too many lately -- you'll notice a striking difference between Democratic and Republican attack ads: Democrats are attacking over personal issues, Republicans are attacking over policy.

There are, of course, many exceptions, but the overall trend is clear. Democrats are hitting their Republican opponents over past legal transgressions, shady business deals and even speeding tickets. Republicans are hammering Democrats over "Obamacare," Nancy Pelosi and the economy.

A recent study by the Wesleyan Media Project actually quantifies this. They looked at 900,000 airing of political ads this year and concluded: "Democrats are using personal attacks at much higher rates than Republicans and a much higher rate than Democrats in 2008."

Democratic Closing Argument: Personal Attacks