can anyone identify this folk sample?

Subject: RE: can anyone identify this folk sample?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Sep 25 - 06:54 PM

The lyricist for the group probably got it from a widely circulated quote attributed to Chief Seattle. You saw it everywhere in the 70s.

Subject: RE: can anyone identify this folk sample?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 25 - 01:40 PM

Excellent detective work, cnd and Long Firm Freddie!

I'm hoping that GUEST,K R returns to see the fruits of your labours.

Subject: RE: can anyone identify this folk sample?
From: Long Firm Freddie
Date: 02 Sep 25 - 11:39 AM

The origin of the saying might well be an 1894 report by the State Fish and Game Commissioner of North Dakota:

In 1894 the importance of conserving natural resources was recognized and expressed in a report by the State Fish and Game Commissioner of North Dakota. The report cautioned that short-term thinking and narrow monetary motivations might lead to the destruction of the “last tree” and the “last fish”. The following passage shows thematic similarities to the quotation under investigation:

"Present needs and present gains was the rule of action—which seems to be a sort of transmitted quality which we in our now enlightened time have not wholly outgrown, for even now a few men can be found who seem willing to destroy the last tree, the last fish and the last game bird and animal, and leave nothing for posterity, if thereby some money can be made."

Quote Investigator

LFF

Subject: RE: can anyone identify this folk sample?
From: cnd
Date: 02 Sep 25 - 10:42 AM

I have a suspicion... I haven't been able to fully track down the lead yet, but I think it's a solid lead.

A Dutch hard-rock band called Oswald released an album titled Who Am I Supposed To Kill? in 1992 (click). Their opening track was called "You Can't Eat Money," and somewhere on the album the band used an excerpt from a singer named Tatjana van Horen and a track called "Mother Earth."

The band was from Venlo; a woman named Tatjana van Horen is documented here as a singer from Venlo who lived from 1969-2002. Feels likely to be the same person.

So my working assumption is that both bands borrowed the same lady's song, "Mother Earth," as the introduction. No conformation yet, but it's a theory.

Subject: RE: can anyone identify this folk sample?
From: Helen
Date: 30 Aug 25 - 02:12 PM

Thanks cnd. I couldn't hear the words properly at all.

Subject: RE: can anyone identify this folk sample?
From: cnd
Date: 30 Aug 25 - 11:21 AM

Let's start by getting the words down. Probably won't help too much -- it's verbatim an old Cree Indian prophecy -- but can't hurt either.

Only when at last
The last fish has been caught
Only when at last
The last tree has been felled
Then their kind will see
That money can't be eaten
Then their kind will see
That money can't be eaten

Subject: RE: can anyone identify this folk sample?
From: Helen
Date: 30 Aug 25 - 06:32 AM

From the image on that video, the title of the first song is Aleister and given that the band's name is Crowley I'm guessing that it relates to the occultist named Aleister Crowley.

The lyrics may be a quote from one of his books.

Subject: can anyone identify this folk sample?
From: GUEST,K R
Date: 30 Aug 25 - 04:51 AM

There's this demo tape published in '93 by Crowley, a little known thrash metal group that contains a strange folk sounding sample in the first thirty seconds of the first song. Can anyone identify it?

https://youtu.be/Mshg2ZI861Q