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Subject: RE: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Mar 00 - 02:25 PM Here's another interesting link - Internet Ancient History Sourcebook. Click here for what Britannica has to say about Suetonius, who lived about 69-122 A.D. Looks like I was wrong, and Amos was right. I may doubt him again (but that seems highly unlikely). -Joe Offer, once-proud winner of the Auxilium Latinum medal, 1962- |
Subject: RE: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: Amos Date: 29 Mar 00 - 01:32 PM Murray: See the reference to Seutonius in my previous post -- we probably crossposted here. That's all I have on it. Best regards, |
Subject: RE: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring Date: 29 Mar 00 - 12:59 PM Thanks, Joe--a very interesting (and scholarly) link--I'm convinced now that the Caesar song is closer to Thomas than Venantius. Still waiting for the provenance, though, Amos! |
Subject: RE: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: Amos Date: 29 Mar 00 - 12:51 PM Here is some further background and history to the song, from our family Classics scholar: Here is what has been posted on the Latinteach list ("ad usum delphini" "What you may be missing here is some of the history of this
I'll leave it to you to note the changes."
Caesar has subdued the Gauls, and Nicomedes has subdued Caesar; (Note:Caesar was reliably reported to have had a homosexual affair w/ Behold Caesar now rides in triumph who subjugated the Gauls, Apparently there were various dirty verses in the ancient world, which I (See, I haven't totally wasted my time all these years. Thank God someone |
Subject: RE: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: Snuffy Date: 29 Mar 00 - 07:41 AM If you want something a bit more stately, you can sing it to the hymn tune of "Glorious Things of Thee are Spoken", which is called "Austria Hymn" (by Haydn) in my hymnbook, but is possibly better nown as Deutschland Uber Alles. We find Clementine goes well with this tune, and there is plenty of scope for harmonising. Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Mar 00 - 04:06 AM I was going to say you were wong, Murray, but you're not. The "Pange Lingua" I'm familiar with was written by St. Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century, one of five long eucharistic hymns he wrote for the Feast of Corpus Christi. Click here for information about the two hymns, both with the same title. As you can see, the earlier hymn by Venantius Fortunatus has a much more complex style. Aquinas wrote beautiful Latin, but it was of a style much different from that of the time of Caesar. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring Date: 28 Mar 00 - 04:29 PM I'm reminded of some of the Latin hymns like "Pange lingua gloriosi proelium certaminis" etc. -- which is by Venantius Fortunatus (died 600). Still, I'd really like to know where this is from. It does sound "authentic", and not a modern forgery. |
Subject: RE: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: Amos Date: 28 Mar 00 - 02:43 PM Well, I have to ask my sister, who is our family expert in this department, Joe, and who sent it to me int he first place. I will get back to you... |
Subject: RE: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Mar 00 - 02:03 PM That's great, Amos. Know anything more about the history of the song? I'm guessing it comes from a 15th-century Latin class (or from sometime in the mid-to-late part of the Second Millennium), not from the time of Julius Caesar. The style seems medieval, not classical - but this is just my guess on the matter. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: Vox Populi: Roman Song From: Amos Date: 28 Mar 00 - 10:30 AM You may be aware that the study of the Classic languages is enhoying a revival in some circles, aided by Internet technology. One discussion group recently included the following Ancient Roman people's song celebrating no less a personage than Julius Caesar himself -- it's a bit bloody, but when in Rome, do as...
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