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rube1 02 Oct 00 - 10:53 PM
Willie-O 02 Oct 00 - 09:35 AM
Little Hawk 02 Oct 00 - 12:50 AM
GUEST,ed 01 Oct 00 - 01:02 AM
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Subject: RE: cool song connections
From: rube1
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 10:53 PM

"When all else fails we can whip the horse's eyes"-forget what Doors song that's from, but early in "Crime and Punishment, a minor character whips the horse's eyes.


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Subject: RE: cool song connections
From: Willie-O
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 09:35 AM

Another Dylan image, from his chilling nuclear-apocalypse "Hard Rain's Gonna Fall"--still one of his best--

"I saw a young child beside a dead pony."

If anyone has ever wondered about the reason for that line, aside from plain old morbidity, there's a scene in John Wyndhams post-apocalyptic novel "The Chrysalids" where that exact image occurs. The context is that many years post-nuclear war, much of N. America is still radioactive and uninhabited--but a small society of humans still exists in of all places, Labrador--a globally warmed Labrador. They have a rigid fundamentalist obsession with "normalcy" and don't allow mutants within their territory. One day a little girl wandered off with her pony only to be attacked by a mutant outlaw...

The Chrysalids was written in the 50's, and can be taken as much as a comment on the tenor of those conformist times as sci-fi.

Pretty smart guy, John Wyndham. Predicted biotechnology, global warming and other real developments while other sci-fi writers were stuck on spaceships and rayguns. Too bad the movies made of his books have been just awful--Day of the Triffids and two versions of Midwich Cuckoos. (Another prescient crazy notion--a village of humans impregnated by aliens? Now who would believe such a nutty notion? Quite a few people as it turns out.) A real filmmaker could make something quite significant from The Chrysalids.

Willie-O


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Subject: RE: cool song connections
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 12:50 AM

There are so many references to old songs in Dylan's songs, because he sucked up all that old folk, blues, etc like a sponge in his teens, and it keeps creeping into his work. Not only the old tunes, of which there are many, but also lyrical phrases, references to books, etc.

"With your sheet metal memory of Cannery Row..."


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Subject: cool song connections
From: GUEST,ed
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 01:02 AM

Here's a interesting idea , let's see who can come up with cool and/or strange links in songs to other songs through the years. I got two
i just discovered that at the center of the lyrics Charlie Pattons " the Trouble with my mother" is only a few words diffrent than "children of Zion" as recorded by Gary Davis many years later. gary notes at the beginning of the song " my mothers' mothers' mothers' grand mother song this song way back bout 500 years ago" That's tradition.
here's another
Way back in the 20's Bascom Lundsford sang " don't trust the railroad men they'll drink up your blood like wine" in the song "mole in the ground" . move forward to '66 and Dylan responds "oh I didn't know that" on "Stuck inside the mobile with the Memphis blues again"


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