Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 09:31 AM

www.erols.com/olsonw

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: UB Ed
Date: 12 Apr 01 - 08:51 AM

Bruce, I'm ignorant; please post your site address

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: GUEST,PMC
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 09:51 PM

Hey, thanks for your help, Bruce O. I knew I could depend on you for an answer!

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 12:35 AM

Lyrics are in SONGTXT1 and SONGTXT2 and there's an alphabetical title list at the beginning of the files that you can click on and go to the lyric.

All files except the two program files are ASCII, so with your browser's Edit/Find option you can locate any keyword or string in a few seconds. You can download these files and do the same in your word processor.

CODEDISP4.EXE will read the 6500+ tune codes in COMBCODE.TXT. Directions appear in the program. Data is separated by commas, so to find all "Johnny McGill/../" select option 3 and enter ,1486, and click. All 18 tunes will be found and put in the SAVED file. Again with ,2144, and you add all 7 "Garry Owen/../" in the same. Option 8 allows you to arrange them so the 12 limit plot uses the 12 you want to plot. A few clicks and they're plotted vertically offset in colors the same as the titles displayed on the plot. [The program will do a lot of other things too, but data here is arranged in database style, so you search titles, sources, modes, keys, etc, separately by information type (or though all types in your word processor). Calculate relative scale from mode number, and vice versa, or calculate mode number from which of the semitones are in the tune you're trying to find a match for (no matter what title).]

ABZWEB12 allows you to read a file of up to at least 1000 ABCs. Options allow you to play them in 12TET or just intonation. You can also automatically stressed note code them for addition to the COMBCODE.TXT file.

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Apr 01 - 12:05 AM

Well perhaps "professionals" and newsgroups are the operative words. Most of us and indeed virtually all of our guests with inquiries or looking for lyrics, are not professionals. Some of us may have great interest, some less.....and many who visit here are only lightly interested in folk or blues outside of a few songs. Some of those hang out awhile and get into a little more, but as a group, Mudcat is not made up of pro musicians, historians, or computer users.

Glad to know we are the only ones and that an archive of the material is planned.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 11:48 PM

Only on Mudcat Forum have I had complaints, and mostly because they don't read the file introductions to see how data is organized. Professionals on four newgroups I'm on have had none, and one professional [whose name you'd probably recognize] is trying to find a permanent archive for all of it.

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 11:32 PM

PMC.....compare the sheet music and I think you'll find limited similarities in the common thread of each tune but its easily understood when you think of many 6/8 songs (hence Dick's joke).

The Garry Owen--CLICK HERE

Tibbie Dunbar---CLICK HERE

BTW Bruce, you are perhaps the best historian and researcher around.......But your website is the least user friendly thing I have ever encountered. I have no idea how to make so much information easier to locate, but I'm not alone in feeling that we of mortal flesh DO need an Enigma to find things there. I know I'm not a rocket scientist or even much of a computer geek, but sending someone to your website is like sending a blind man wearing a blindfold into a black, windowless room, with no lights or flashlight to find an onyx marble in a jar of licorice jelly beans.....which is buried under the floor.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 10:48 PM

Who needs an an enigma? Real stuff is hard enough to work out right.

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 10:45 PM

Anybody got an ENIGMA machine?

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 10:38 PM

Note that in the COMBCODE.TXT file there are 18 tunes with cross-reference # 1486 (Johnny McGill/Blarney Castle/ Black Rogue/ [mistitled] Black Joke/ Basket of Oysters), and 7 for ref #2144 (Garry Owen/ Auld Bessy)

With program CODEDISP4.EXE there you can plot out stressed note codes of these, up to 12 simultaneously (vertically displaced so they don't cross each other).

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 10:20 PM

Both tunes had more than one name. See the Irish tune title index on my website to sort them all out. Surprisingly "Johnny MacGill" (Blarney Castle/Black Rogue) is Irish, and "Garry Owen" (from song in a play) (Auld Bessy) is probably Scots. www.erols.com/olsonw (there are ABCs of them there, too. Look in T1 first.) [Note 2 other "Johnny McGill's" are also Irish]

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 10:08 PM

Garry Owens? Isn't he the guy who has the aluminum siding company down on Front St.? I mean my friends in Orillia are sure that Johnny McGill has the Porta-Potty market locked up and I thought Tibbie Dunbar developed the boneless corset.

No

Spaw

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: toadfrog
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 10:05 PM

If Tibbie Dunbar is a Burns song, it probably has been sung to many different tunes. The version I know does not sound at all like Garry Owen.

Subject: RE: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 09:47 PM

Once you've heard one Irish tune, you've heard them both.

Subject: Tibbie Dunbar/Garry Owen
From: GUEST,PMC
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 09:39 PM

Can anyone tell me if there is a connection to the Burn's song 'Tibbie Dunbar' and Custer's favorite 'Garry Owens'. They sound very similar. I know Tibbie Dunbar is to the tune 'Johny McGill'. Thanks for any help.