Add: The Bells Of Morning by Stephen Fearing

Subject: RE: Add: The Bells Of Morning by Stephen Fearing
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 May 01 - 10:20 PM

I wonder if it'd be possible to set up a 'thing' where by you could selece between the 2 formats?!?!?! I'd love to ba able to post songs to look like your link above, but would wanna keep the more conversational messages in the current format...

Subject: RE: Add: The Bells Of Morning by Stephen Fearing
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 May 01 - 03:36 PM

Yeah, Clinton - we could select monospaced text like many forums have, and have all the posts in the forum look like this: (click). Yes, it does have certain advantages, but the current format of Mudcat is much more pleasant to read in most situations.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Add: The Bells Of Morning by Stephen Fearing
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 May 01 - 03:24 PM

What about having copying and pasting come over as plain text? Not that I'm sure that can be done, but I'm still curious...

;-)

Subject: Automatic Line Breaks
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 May 01 - 03:16 PM

Well, Clinton - I explained all this a couple of weeks ago, in response to your post that said you were never going to post lyrics again (click). One problem is that hard returns are invisible in most situations, so they can end up in unexpected locations (including within stuff that is copy-pasted from other sources - Microsoft Notepad is a big offender in putting carriage returns where you don't want them) - and the ColdFusion setting turns them into line breaks, wherever they may be. We have had a number of weird situations develop with the automatic line breaks, and it will take us time to figure them all out. It's easier for us to test the setup with a few tech people, rather than putting it on Mudcat untested. The whole thing crashed, so it's a good thing we didn't release it for general use.
Please recognize the fact that Mudcat is a total volunteer effort, so it may take us a while to get things tested and ready for release. Also, automatic line breaks are not a top priority. We have existed quite well without them for quite a long time. There are lots of things we would like to do, but they all take time and money. It's a miracle that Mudcat keeps running at all - improvements are kind of a luxury.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Add: The Bells Of Morning by Stephen Fearing
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 May 01 - 03:02 PM

See joe...

Now that someone has explained WHY it's a problem, instead of just telling me to "Suck it up and stop picking on poor little mudcat", I understand...

But I don't understand why there would ever be a hard return in the middle of a link? Isn't it easier to jsut say, copy and past ehe desired link into the html code and let the line wrap deal with it as a soft return? Or am I missing something still?

Subject: Line Breaks in lyrics posts - please
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 May 01 - 02:32 AM

Well, Clinton - Max has ColdFusion (the software that drives Mudcat) set to read double carriage returns, but not single ones. Setting the Forum to accept carriage returns as line breaks causes problems with HTML-rich posts because the complexity of these posts makes it hard to predict results. A carriage return in the middle of a link makes a real mess. The problems aren't insurmountable, but they are cumbersome - and correcting them can involve a lot of tedious work for Joe and the JoeClones. So, we'll continue to play with it until we're comfortable with it, and until we've been able to figure out solutions to most of the problems. In the meantime, please continue to put <br> line breaks at the end of every line when you post lyrics. Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Add: The Bells Of Morning by Stephen Fearing
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 May 01 - 10:43 PM

I was under the impression that it had Joe... Oh well...

See.. double hard returns work...

Why not single ones?

What are some of the side effects? Curious minds are curious...

Ta eh Joe!

;-)

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bells Of Morning by Stephen Fear
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 May 01 - 07:37 PM

It hasn't happened, Clinton. I explained the reason to you a couple of weeks back. We've been working on it, but it has problematic side effects. I'll do it for you. You type the line break once, highlight it and copy [CTRL-C], and then paste [CTRL-V] it wherever you want. It took me a minute or two to put your line breaks in.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The Bells Of Morning by Stephen Fear
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:18 PM

What happened to Mudcat recognising Hard Returns as line breaks?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Feckin' Place!!!

Subject: The Bells Of Morning by Stephen Fearing
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 May 01 - 05:17 PM

The Bells Of Morning
(Stephen Fearing)

Tonight I am speechless
My head is filled with pouring rain
As the darkness falls on Montreal
When violence is shrieking
The city streets will run with pain
Till the moon can shed no light at all

I believe that we have fallen
In the middle of an old highway
And the past is rolling over us
As men begin to understand what women say
They history reaching out to smother all of us

So ring the bells of morning
For sorrow and for shame
Let the deep well inside each of us
Swell with outrage
And those of us who know
What went before can come again
Must ring the bells
We must ring the bells of morning

I met a man once, he held himself tighter than a fist
He was hard and fast in his inflexibility
He was threatened my the future
A product of the past
He was terrified my his own femininity

Ring the bells of morning
We have everything to gain
And may those of us who comprehend
Commit our lives to change
And though you swear
That you can't let yourself be vulnerable again
Ring the bells, we must ring the bells of morning

And if we can't face ourselves
Then we will never understand
We can learn to make a cradle
With these stubborn hands
And we will hear the echoes
From this shattered land
When we ring the bells of morning

I met a woman once she told me
She was scared that we might never see the day
When the violence was overcome
She said silence is the fuel
Fear and ignorance the roaring flames
The burn the freedom out of everyone

So ring the bells of morning
And let none of us pretend
For if you walk the paths of silence
You might never reach the end
And those of us who know
What went before can come again
Must ring the bells
We must ring the bells of morning

So ring the bells of morning
Ring them loud and ring them long
Let the mother tongue of strength
Be the peaceful language of this song
Let those ancient voices lead us all into the dawn
Ring the bells, we must ring the bells of morning

Stephen Fearing 1989