Songs about rough folk women

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 05:33 PM

Avril Betts is definitely female, albeit fictitious.

Dave, you really ought to have that multiple persona syndrome (or whatever it's called) seen to. If this goes on you will be able to have a Mudcat gathering on your own before long (not that we'd let you!). Anyway, did Avril and Betty both come to the barbecue, and what happened?

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 05 - 04:47 PM

Linda Lombardi - isn't she the Page Three Girl who turned respectable actress (By this I mean she played a criminals wife in "The Bill")?

This will only mean something to people in the UK!

Is my memory failing or is Avril Betts actually a man who had a long running but spoof thread about the "folk establishment" ganging up on her or something?

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 28 May 05 - 01:01 PM

Bessie Smith was the roughest and toughest---in her music and in real life. Wondrous music was made by her.

Her "Electric Chair Blues" is a wonderful song.

Verses like:

Judge, judge, good kind judge,
Send me to the 'lectric chair,
Judge, judge, good kind judge,
You can fry me 'cause I don't care,
I cut him with my razor,
I kicked him in the side,
Stood over him laughin',
While he wobbled 'round---and died!
Judge, judge, please Mr. Judge,
Send me to the 'lectric chair.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Kaleea
Date: 28 May 05 - 03:58 AM

notice it isn't "rough folk ladies." I've noticed that in most folk songs it is she-the fairer sex-who is murderd, done wrong, abandoned, maligned, etc.

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Bert
Date: 27 May 05 - 05:28 PM

rough folk women - is there any other kind?

And just how does that song go? "and if a woman was singing this song, it would be twice as dirty and three times as long"

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST
Date: 27 May 05 - 04:49 PM

Upstream from Niagara Falls the river has two sides: one Canadian, and one Yank, on which sits the fair city of Buffalo.

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 27 May 05 - 10:17 AM

Avril and I are not on the best of terms at the moment - Essex Girl is seeing to that. My remarks about the top half of her belly dancing costume being made out of two dustbin lids didn't go down very well either.

Anyway what Betty has to say is substantially true. There are several problems with Avril going bra-less though - she ends up with a bald bit on the back of her head and either trips herself up or knocks herself out when she runs for a bus, or chases after a male motorist who looks like stopping.

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Betty Noir
Date: 27 May 05 - 06:01 AM

I am far too ladylike to go showing my image on the Internet for others to drool over, I'll leave such practices to tarts like Avril

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: PoppaGator
Date: 26 May 05 - 04:26 PM

Let's see some "Member Photos" of the ladies on question ~ not just Avril, Betty too ~ and we'll judge for ourselves!

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 26 May 05 - 03:59 AM

I notice that even Dave Bryant is not coming to defend Avril from the slating she is receiving from Betty Noir

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Betty Noir
Date: 25 May 05 - 11:31 AM

Rest assured it is not irrational she is a frightful woman

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 25 May 05 - 11:06 AM

I have an irrational fear of Avril Betts



Whoops! Wrong thread!

;-D

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 May 05 - 10:40 AM

The wine it was brought to the table
There were bottles for everyone
When I asked for the change of me guinea
She tipped me the verse of a song

This lady flew into a passion
And she placed both her hands on her hips
She said sailor you know now our fashion
Do you think you're on board of your ship.

so when you give them some money don't expect anything back.
Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 May 05 - 10:34 AM

If it was above, one would think it was in Canada.

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Abby Sale
Date: 25 May 05 - 10:30 AM

No

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 May 05 - 01:59 PM

Isn't Buffalo above Niagara Falls?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Betty Noir
Date: 24 May 05 - 11:00 AM

That Avril Betts looks years younger without a bra ....... her 40DD's droop and drag all the winkles out of her face

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 24 May 05 - 10:12 AM

There is also the Frankie Armstrong song about the crafty maid who makes her would-be-rapist promise to give her what lies between his legs, and it's not what you are thinking either.

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Julia
Date: 24 May 05 - 09:53 AM

I love the ones where the girl is not necessarily rough, but clever
The Maid on the Shore, Lovely Joan, Sovay- they had to be a bit tough to do what they did, but came out "smelling like a rose"
Cheers- Julia

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: HipflaskAndy
Date: 24 May 05 - 08:51 AM

'Sixteen sailors pulling on a string
She come down and she let 'em ALL in'
(Yarmouth Town)

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Abby Sale
Date: 24 May 05 - 08:43 AM

Here's a woman clearly rough but she's a minor character in the song:

I was layin' round town in a house of ill fame,
Laid up with a rough, tough hustlin' dame,
When a hop-headed pimp with his nose full of coke
Beat me outta that woman and left me stone broke.

"The Castration of the Strawberry Roan" Text A (Collected from Baxter Black)

Here's one roughish:

She was slick as oil on water,
I didn't know what she was about
        A-singing, way, Niagara,
        Below Niagara Falls.
'Til I missed my watch and wallet,
Then I popped her on the snout.
        A-singing, way, Niagara,
        Below Niagara Falls.

"The Buffalo Whore" (Below Niagara Falls)


Sweet Betsy is pretty rough but doesn't get punished. (I'm not sure what the question is, either. Or is it several questions.)

And a naughty woman who is quite punished for running away with a demon:

He strack the tapmast wi' his hand
The foremast wi' his knee
And he brake the gallant ship in twain
And sank her in the sea.

"The Daemon Lover/House Carpenter"
Child #243
(Note the two Child women cited at the top of this thread are congratulated, not punished for their roughness.)

And in real bawdry there are numerous women with surprisingly agile, gunshot-proof, nutcracker-strong, and etc. cunts. They gotta be considered fairly rough but are rarely punished for it. When they are, as in "The Great Wheel," the moral issue can be pretty questionable.

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Betty Noir
Date: 24 May 05 - 08:14 AM

That Avril Betts is a slag

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Dead Horse
Date: 24 May 05 - 08:02 AM

I have heard it said that Avril is forever being stood up, but invariably falls back down again.
It maybe the alcohol content or it maybe she is top heavy - who knows?

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: LesB
Date: 23 May 05 - 05:29 PM

Cushy Butterfield!

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Avril Betts
Date: 23 May 05 - 03:26 PM

Most men don't complain about my 40DD breasts - only about having to undo all the hooks and eyes at the back.

I always fancied being one of those milkmaids that handsome young men are always drawing fine fiddles out of their rucksacks for. NNow if Oaklet is reading this . . . . .

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 05 - 12:02 PM

Rough folk women have always got large breasts, not that I am complaining.

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Avril Betts
Date: 23 May 05 - 11:42 AM

Who are you calling rough ? - OK perhaps I lack a little polish and sophistication, but at one time El Greko invited me out - OK he did stand me up - the sod, but the thought (or lust) was there.

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 23 May 05 - 09:45 AM

There is a lively tape, _The Bawdy Ladies' Book_, "songs of love and lust from a female perspective sung by Wild Rose: Anne Goodwin and Anabel Graetz with Linda Lombardi" (1986). Out of print, like many good things.

--- Joe Fineman    [e-mail]

||: Mens sana qui mal y pense. :||

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 22 May 05 - 04:16 PM

Everyone stinking is such a misconception of the past.
Anyway, traditionaly bawdy songs are usualy witty rather than filthy.

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 May 05 - 03:56 PM

Yes its a strange business, theres never alot of foreplay in these trad songs, not even with the handsome cabin boy. She wished the night were seven year long...then its straight onto a life of degradation and possibly murder

as you say the smell may have been a factor, the king's syph, the black death, the bubonic bum fever....who knows.

Actually I'm not sure would have fancied it

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: GUEST,Allen
Date: 22 May 05 - 03:43 PM

The wife in the Devil and the Feathery Wife is dirtier....

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 May 05 - 03:28 PM

It proves that the women are worse than the men
If they go down to hell they get kicked out again

'The Devil and the Farmers Wife' - Unquote .

Subject: RE: rough folk women
From: mack/misophist
Date: 22 May 05 - 01:21 PM

You might elaborate nyour first question. Back in the old days, nobody bathed that much. Is that what you're asking?

Subject: rough folk women
From: GUEST,I live for the smell of women
Date: 21 May 05 - 10:19 PM

Folk tradition...

who's dirtiest..??


men or women..?????


who gets punished worst for lust in folk songs..?

men or women...?????????