music and the universe

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 03:10 PM

I couldn't ageee more Don.Thanks for saying it again.I don't expect for everyone to agree on anything.Lord knows that would be quite boring wouldn't it?We would only have one kind of music and one kind of just about everything.I don't beleive our Creator had that in mind at all.Why can't we just agree to disagree anymore and what happened to civility and respect and many many other really good things that seem to have gone the way of the old corny western TV shows and movies.Just because we supposedly know more now than we used to should not mean that all those good and simple things should be discarded.
I love music more than any other thing of this Universe and believe it is in every other Universe and it is there for a reason.In my heart I believe it is to be used as a tool to comunicate from soul directly to another soul.Oh the power of it all and the blessing of it all.My aim with what is left of my life is to try to harness as much of it's power for good as I possibly can.
Thank God for those who still think we can acomplish something worthwhile and thanks for all the input it means a lot to me.I am not a wishy washy mushy kind of person.My wife tells me all the time that I am the toughest old buzzard she has ever known but I do love to love and to be loved.Don't we all?

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:59 PM

It occurs to me that in our universe, each galaxy (and there are a lot of them!) has a supernova every few hundred years , most of which quite probably produce black holes. If each of these results in a Big Bang on the other end, creating another universe, then it's as if each of these Matryoschka dolls has many, many offspring.

In the overall picture, that's a lot of real estate!!

"At least we are talking about something and no one is getting hurt or angry. What a pleasant change and respite."

True indeed, mississippitom. Compared to subjects of this nature, politics is petty and parochial.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: KT
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 02:22 PM

oops. Thanks, JennyO. Obviously, I never read that one!

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 01:59 PM

Yes that is the same concept that I am seeing in this vision if you want to call it that.It has always been believed that time travel was only possible in the froward direction beacuse of the Grandfather Dilema.Now the thinking has changed and it is believed that time travel is also possible both directions.If a person would go back and kill their Grandfather so that their father was not born they would be kicked into another Universe.
I don't know if you have read the Trilogy by Carlos Casteneda but in that series of books he is taking these trips into other realms.The trips were drug induced by using things like Peyote and he was with a tribe of Indians called the Yaqui.They talk about these other worlds and in his latest book written in the 90's the Yaqui guide tells him that it is not one world but layers of worlds like the layers of an onion.That makes sense to me.
What has occured to me is that if time travel is possible in both directions then it must have already happened and is happening now.
All this is about music the way I see it becuase everything has a rythum to it and sounds associated with it even ourselves.Maybe somewhere Utopia does exist.One could only hope.The words Nirvana and Enlightenment truly do have meaning then if this is the case.
Thanks for all the thoughts.
At least we are talking about something and no one is getting hurt or angry.What a pleasant change and rspite.

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 01:21 PM

Perhaps. . . .

Some twelve to fifteen billion years ago (depending on varying estimates—and reckoning by the way we measure time), a cataclysmic event took place. But this was in some other universe. A giant star finally burned out, went supernova, and imploded into a black hole. At that instant, SUT (Super-Universal Time), what we call "the Big Bang" occurred, and our universe burst into existence.   

In our universe, from time to time, a giant star goes supernova and implodes into a black hole. And another universe—within our universe—is created. To that universe within our universe, the Big Bang has just taken place.

Lest someone quibble over the word "universe," and point out that there can only be one universe (by definition), let me clarify that what I am postulating is that we are seeing only our particular portion thereof, and that much more exists than we can perceive. Remember, at one time, cosmologists thought that the Milky Way galaxy was the universe and there was nothing beyond it. And before that, there was the sun-centered universe. And before that, there was the earth-centered universe.

What I am postulating is the possibility that there is an infinite number of what we call "the universe." Each "universe' is nested within another "universe"—like Russian Matryoshka dolls. You know the ones:    you open up one doll and there is a smaller, but otherwise identical doll inside. You open that one, and there is another doll inside that. And so on.

Our universe is within an infinite number of universes beyond ours. And there is an infinite number of universes within ours.

Perhaps. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 12:34 PM

Shakespeare - The Merchant of Venice.

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: KT
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 12:04 PM

WOW!! Is that yours, Amos? Gorgeous!!

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 11:24 AM

How sweet the moonlight sleeps upon this bank!
Here will we sit and let the sounds of music
Creep in our ears: soft stillness and the night
Become the touches of sweet harmony.
Sit, Jessica. Look how the floor of heaven
Is thick inlaid with patines of bright gold:
There's not the smallest orb which thou behold'st
But in his motion like an angel sings,
Still quiring to the young-eyed cherubins;
Such harmony is in immortal souls;
But whilst this muddy vesture of decay
Doth grossly close it in, we cannot hear it.

Enter Musicians

Come, ho! and wake Diana with a hymn!
With sweetest touches pierce your mistress' ear,
And draw her home with music.

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: Peter T.
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 11:06 AM

Merchant of Venice, Act 5, Scene 1, lines 55-64.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 10:25 AM

Yes I have heard of Pythaagoras and the Golden Ratio.Ratio's show up in everything in Nature.The Sistene Chapel has all those Ratios's incorporated in it.It is all music as far as I am concerned.I wasn't smoking anything and have never tried LSD or any othe the other physcoldelic drugs but I'll bet that if I did the vision would be more vivd than ever.I can see a picture in my mind of the Creators arm reaching out through a Black Hole.If I were a painter I could easily paint it.Maybe I will try anyway.Why not?
Another interesting thing about Black holes is that it looks like they were and are involved in creating Galaxy's.It is now known that there is a relationship between a Black Hole in a Galaxy and the stars and planets because the speed of rotation of the stars on the outer edges of the Galaxy is directly proportional to the size of the Black hole even though they are too far away to be affected by the Black Hole.This indicates that at some time they were influenced by that Black hole.Fascinating to me!

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: *daylia*
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 10:14 AM

UniVerse = OneSong. No matter what you smoke. And as for music (ie ordered sound) being the Source of creation - ever heard of Pythagoras and the Golden Ratio?

Subject: RE: music and the universe
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:53 AM

What are you smoking ?

eric

Subject: music and the universe
From: mississippitom
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 07:58 AM

I watch mostly all the different Discovery Channels on TV and sometimes A&E especially Breakfast with the Arts on Sunday mornings.I have a deep interest in many topics that are being covered in more detail than ever before.One of these topics is the Theory of everything,the Holy Grail of Science.
Some things come to mind and tend to bang around my mostly empty brain.One in particular seems to play in a somewhat endless loop so here it is.
String Theory seems to have the attention of many of our greatest Scientific minds and it seems to have some merit for sure.When I think about it,I envision God plucking on the 11 strings one for each dimension.One of these strings is directly related to the Universe we live in.When God plucked the strings,the enormus energy created by the plucking of such a very large screen created matter.We can get a sense of this energy by transposing the formula E for energy equals M or mass times C squared or the speed of light squared solving for M.We will find that to create mass it would take an enormus amont of energy to create any mass at all.The mass that was created in the Universe we live in includes all the Stars and planets.The picture I see somewhat vividly and somewhat not so vividly is a picture of a three or actually four dimensional piece of sheet music.The matter in the universe being in the form of Planets and stars , other particles and empty space being the notes of a very complex song the empty space is rests.The song includes all the notes of every song ever written and not yet written.
Another thing that comes into my mind is that since this Universe is not eternal and will end at some point,the essence of the Creator is not housed in this Universe.For some reason I see the Creator being housed on the other side of Black holes where the laws of physics as we know them break down and time stops.The strings are plucked on the other side of the Black Holes and inverted and converted into mass when they come out on this side of the Black hole.Can anyone else see this picture?Thanks for your comments.