Lyr Req: Un Fran Ddu daw anlwc eto (Welsh)

Subject: RE: Welsh Folk Song - Un Fran Ddu daw anlwc eto
From: sian, west wales
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 10:47 AM

Yeh - that sort of thing exactly, Snuffy!

(Yoo-hoo, Symlog. You there, butt?)

(Should I say that in Welsh? "Iw-hw, Symlog. Ti 'na, foi?")

sian

Subject: RE: Welsh Folk Song - Un Fran Ddu daw anlwc eto
From: Snuffy
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 08:44 AM

One for sorrow, two for joy ....?

Subject: RE: Welsh Folk Song - Un Fran Ddu daw anlwc eto
From: sian, west wales
Date: 14 Jun 06 - 05:17 AM

Not having much luck so far, without further information to go on. Rhiannon, who is Chair of the Welsh Folk Song Soc, tells me that Tegwyn Jones' book, "Ar Dafod Gwerin" has:

Un frân ddu, anlwc i mi,
Dwy frân ddu, lwc i mi,
Tair brân ddu, cariad i mi,
Pedair brân ddu, priodas i mi.

that is ...

One black crow, bad luck for me,
Two black crows, luck for me,
Three black crows, love for me,
Four black crows, wedding for me.

These sorts of verses are 'folk' poetry - largely unattributable - sort of in the same vein as "Red sun at night ..." in English. I don't know where my copy of Ar Dafod Gwerin is right now so I can't check if there are more verses.

Again - it would help to know where you've heard the one you're looking for.

sian

Subject: RE: Welsh Folk Song - Un Fran Ddu daw anlwc eto
From: sian, west wales
Date: 13 Jun 06 - 05:18 AM

Sorry - I've been in Canada! Just got back last night. I don't think I know it, but it sounds like a traditional verse of 'penillion'. Can you tell me where you've come across it, and I'll see what I can find?

sian

Subject: RE: Welsh Folk Song - Un Fran Ddu daw anlwc eto
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 02:34 AM

refresh, with augmented thread title

Subject: Welsh Folk Song
From: GUEST,Symlog
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 03:30 PM

I wonder if Sian West Wales or anyone else could tell me where to find the words of the folk song that begins 'Un Frân Ddu daw anlwc eto...'