link: GREAT site for jazz lovers.

Subject: RE: link: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: Azizi
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 07:44 PM

Gee whiz, 12 stringer. You really know how to deflate a person's ego.

I was just congratulating myself for finding that info. I posted a comment about it on this Mudcat thread:
Songs & Jingles in Political Campaigns

So you posted that information at 6:33 PM and I posted my comment at 07:26 PM almost one hour later. But I didn't cheat. I didn't read your post until after I had posted my post. Really and truly.

But you beat me to the punch that time ["punch"?? what does 'punch' have to do with the price of beans in Boston?? Oh, never mind].

Thanks anyway, 12 stringer

Really and truly.

Subject: RE: link: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: 12-stringer
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 06:33 PM

Azizi: The ragtime song written for a political campaign is, I presume, the one that W C Handy did for Crump in Memphis, around 1909.

Subject: RE: link: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 02:00 PM

Asizi,

If not Buddy Bolden, it would be Jellyroll Morton.

Art

Subject: RE: link: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: Peace
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 10:19 AM

Thanks Mike, Fred and Azizi. Some of the music would today be classified 'blues'. I had the honour of being the MC for Lonnie Johnson years ago at gerde's Folk City in New York. Listening to him sing brought back some wonderful memories for me. And, ya got me on that question, Azizi.

Subject: RE: link: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: Azizi
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 04:50 AM

Thanks, Peace for that info. That site sure does look hot!

Here's the introduction to that website:

"The music called Jazz was born sometime around 1895 in New Orleans. It combined elements of Ragtime, marching band music and Blues. What differentiated Jazz from these earlier styles was the widespread use of improvisation, often by more than one player at a time. Jazz represented a break from Western musical traditions, where the composer wrote a piece of music on paper and the musicians then tried their best to play exactly what was in the score. In a Jazz piece, the song is often just a starting point or frame of reference for the musicians to improvise around. The song might have been a popular ditty or blues that they didn't compose, but by the time they were finished with it they had composed a new piece that often bore little resemblance to the original song. Many of these virtuoso musicians were not good sight readers and some could not read music at all, nevertheless their playing thrilled audiences and the spontaneous music they created captured a joy and sense of adventure that was an exciting and radical departure from the music of that time. The first Jazz was played by African-American and Creole musicians in New Orleans. The cornet player, Buddy Bolden is generally considered to be the first real Jazz musician. Other early players included Freddie Keppard, Bunk Johnson and Clarence Williams. Although these musicians names are unknown to most people, then and now, their ideas are still being elaborated on to this day. Most of these men could not make a living with their music and were forced to work menial jobs to get by. The second wave of New Orleans Jazz musicians like Joe "King" Oliver, Kid Ory and Jelly Roll Morton formed small bands that took the music of these older men and increased the complexity and dynamic of their music, as well as gaining greater commercial success. This music became known as "Hot Jazz", because of the often breakneck speeds and amazing improvised polyphony that these bands produced. A young virtuoso cornet player named Louis Armstrong was discovered in New Orleans by King Oliver. Armstrong soon grew to become the greatest Jazz musician of his era and eventually one of the biggest stars in the world. The impact of Armstrong and other Jazz musicians altered the course of both popular and Classical music. African-American musical styles became the dominant force in 20th century music.

The Red Hot Archive is a place to study and enjoy the music of these early "Jazzmen". Due to recent advances in technology it is now possible to broadcast text, music and pictures around the world via the Internet. This site is an experiment in using this new multimedia technology. We hope it will combine the best of books and audio recordings, into valuable and enjoyable tools for appreciating this music and the men and women who produced it. This site is a work in progress and will continue to grow as more recordings and writings are added to the archive. Submissions, suggestions and corrections are welcome."

-snip-

I'm curious do folks here agree that "The cornet player, Buddy Bolden is generally considered to be the first real Jazz musician"?

Btw, as an example of synchronicity, just before I saw this new thread, I had just posted a comment in this Mudcat thread Songs & Jingles in Political Campaigns asking for the name of the ragtime song that was used composed or used for a political campaign {by Scott Joplin?}. I thought I knew this, but it has escaped me.

Anybody know the answer without googling?

Subject: RE: link: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 04:33 AM

Try this link as well. Thousands of downloadable MP3s for an incredibly cheap subscription. A lot of blues, old time country etc as well as jazz.

http://www.jazz-on-line.com/

Subject: RE: link: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 04:31 AM

The Red Hot Jazz Archive.

Peace

The site has been referenced on numerous occasions (do a forum search on [red hot jazz] to see), but as far as I can see doesn't appear in the Mudcat links (though I only had a quick look at the likely sections - I didn't check all of them). Perhaps the links should have a jazz/standards section, since, although it's not Mudcat's main remit, requests for these come up regularly (and I have a lot of links for those, RHJA included) and quite a few of the members have an interest in these.

Mick

Subject: RE: link: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: Peace
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:23 AM

www.redhotjazz.com/

THAT is the main site. I can't seem to make a link that works.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: Peace
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:10 AM

Go to the bottom right of the page that opens to and click Search.

Go from there.

Subject: Lyr Add: GREAT site for jazz lovers.
From: Peace
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:07 AM

I didn't know how to title this thread. This site

www.redhotjazz.com/lil.html

is fantastic. It provides hundreds of mp3 versions of jazz songs from way back. Jazz lovers will want to bookmark this site if they haven't already.