Songbooks: Old English songs at Google Book Search

Subject: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Jun 07 - 11:58 PM

A Pedlar's Pack of Ballads and Songs, by William Hugh Logan, 1869.

A Sailor's Garland, by John Masefield, 1906.

Ancient Poems, Ballads and Songs of the Peasantry of England, by James Henry Dixon, 1857.

Bachelor Ballads: Being Certain of the Masterpieces of Verse..., by Blanche McManus, 1898.

Ballads & Songs of Lancashire Ancient and Modern, by Thomas Turner Wilkinson, 1875.

Ballads Old & New, by H. B. (Henry Bernard) Cotterill, 1907.

Early English Poetry, Ballads, and Popular Literature of the Middle Ages, by Percy Society, 1846.

English Folk-rhymes: A Collection of Traditional Verses Relating to Places and Persons..., by G. F. Northall, 1892.

Examples of Printed Folk-lore Concerning Lincolnshire, by Eliza Gutch, Mabel Peacock, 1908.

Gleanings of Scarce Old Ballads, by Peter Buchan, 1891.

Minstrelsy, by William Motherwell, 1827.

Modern Street Ballads, by John Ashton, 1888.

Old Ballads, by Frank Sidgwick, 1908.

Palgrave's Golden Treasury of Songs and Lyrics, by Francis Turner Palgrave, John Henry Fowler, 1903.

Popular Ballads and Songs: From Tradition, Manuscripts, and Scarce Editions, by Robert Jamieson, 1806.

Popular British Ballads, Ancient and Modern, by Reginald Brimley Johnson, 1894.

Remains of the Early Popular Poetry of England, by William Carew Hazlitt, 1866.

Salopian Shreds and Patches, Anonymous, 1875.

Shropshire Folk-Lore, by Georgina Frederica Jackson, 1886.

Songs of the Vine with a Medley for Maltworms, by William George Hutchinson, 1904.

The English and Scottish Popular Ballads, by George Lyman Kittredge, 1889.

The Vocal Magazine: Or, Compleat British Songster, Anonymous, 1781.

Through Romany Songland, by Laura Alexandrine Smith, 1889.

Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: masato sakurai
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 02:08 AM

Thomas Wright, The Political Songs of England: From the Reign of John to that of Edward II (1839)

W. Walker Wilkins, Political Ballads of the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries, Annotated (1860)

Richard Clark, comp., The Words of the Most Favourite Pieces, Performed at the Glee Club, the Catch Club, and Other Public Societies (1814)

The Songs of England and Scotland, 2 vols. [in 1] (1835)

The Humming Bird: A Compleat Collection of the Most Esteemed Songs, Containing Above Fouteen Hundred of the Most Celebrated English, Scotch, and Irish Songs, 3rd ed. (1785)

St Cecilia; Or, The British Songster. A New and Select Collection of the Best Scots and English Songs (1782)

Charles Mackay, The Book of English Songs: From the Sixteenth to the Ninteenth Century (1851)

Thomas Ludford Bellamy, comp., Lyric Poetry of Glees, Madrigals, Catches, Rounds, Canons, and Duets (1840)

John Freeth, The Political Songster; Addressed to the Sons of Freedom, and Lovers of Humour (1771)

John Freeth, The Political Songster: Or, A Touch on the Times, on Various Subjects, and Adapted to Common Tunes (1790)

A Pill to Purge State-Melancholy: Or, A Collection of Excellent New Ballads (1715)

A Select Collection of Songs; Or, An Appendage to the Piano-Forte (1806)

J.E. Carpenter, ed., The Book of Modern Songs (1858)

J.E. Carpenter, ed., The Book of Popular Songs (1858)

Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 10:23 AM

Thank you both....an excellent list. I will trace this thread and go browsing.

Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: Jim McLean
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 11:26 AM

A wee pedantic point: Motherwell's Minstrelsie should be in the Scottish section otherwise thanks for pointing mr to this Google site.

Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 11 Jun 07 - 07:56 PM

So should Peter Buchan's book, really.

Note that Google is aiming primarily at American users, and access to many of the out-of-copyright texts listed above (including, for heaven's sake, at least one digitized by the University of Oxford) is not available to people in the UK or Canada, and doubtless other countries.

Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 12:19 PM

Perhaps inconsistencies like this will lead to some re-evaluation of copyright restrictions in various countries. Google's making these things available, even to primarily the USA, will inevitably lead to other's getting access, even in roundabout ways...as we are proving.

I'll do what I can when someone has a problem.

Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Jun 07 - 09:02 PM

As you already have; for which, thanks.

The problem isn't so much copyright restrictions in countries outside the USA as Googles's apparent inability, or unwillingness, to do a few simple checks. In effect, they are making available in America (and presumably other, selected countries) UK material which is out of copyright in the UK, while deliberately withholding it from people in the UK; even when they have obtained that material from UK institutions.

The same problem applies to books cited in the Scottish and Irish threads. So far we don't know whether or not Irish out-of-copyright material is being withheld from users based in the Irish Republic, but it seems likely if Google are consistent in their imposition of restrictions based upon wilful ignorance.

Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:24 AM

So you can't open these links in the UK, Malcolm? Any way you can use a Proxy Server and bypass the restrictions?

Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:38 AM

I've just been doing some research, assuming that this controversy is being looked at by many people, and am getting the beginnings of some understanding.

I began with this search

I read this story about The Bodleian and Google's relationship with them and other 'sources', and it's obvious the project has a LONG way to go, both in scope and legal wrangling.

Take a look here http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/google.shtml as these folks analyze the situation.....and note down the page that they suggest a solution much as SRS comments on.

Evidently, Google is being cautious with copyright laws in various countries, while continuing to acquire the scans as fast as possible.
At the very least, we will have more information about where to find information, as well as a gradual increase in direct access.

Subject: RE: Old English songs at Google Book Search
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:46 AM

By the way...I intentionally am circumspect about SRS 'solution', not to be coy about how to find a book, but to delay some of the more awkward ramifications for Mudcat if certain folks find easy ways to bypass non-member restrictions. I doubt that lots of them are reading this thread.

I may ask that THIS thread/message be edited later. The 'p' word could be a problem.