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BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!

Beccy 02 Feb 03 - 12:41 PM
Mrs.Duck 02 Feb 03 - 12:46 PM
JennyO 02 Feb 03 - 12:49 PM
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Subject: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Beccy
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:41 PM

Okay, everyone. Put on your thinking caps. I need some baby names. We have about 3 months to do the job (after that is the ultrasound that will hopefully tell me to whom I'm talking when I speak to mah bellay.)


Parameters:
Not boring
Not toooooo outlandish
Preferably of Celtic, Gaelic or Norse derivation

This being my fourth, I'm running a little low on the creativity for names. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:46 PM

Rowan, Kieran, Niamh, Demelza?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: JennyO
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:49 PM

Declan


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: leprechaun
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:49 PM

Aloysius


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Beccy
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 12:55 PM

Aloysius... I kid you not. That is my Gramp's name!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 01:34 PM

Congratulations Beccy! You might want to peruse these sites:

http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/

http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/iri.html

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~donnaweb/info/article09.html

Have fun!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,nashville cat
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:01 PM

Named my son Owen as it means 'young warrior' in Welsh. Would've spelled it 'Owain' if I had it to do over, but was unaware of a different spelling at the time. Did encourage him to change it if he wanted to, but so far he hasn't felt the need. Rhian for a girl's name. Don't know what it means. A little partial to Welsh names, obviously. Congratulations, anyway!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Hippie Chick
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:09 PM

Jorund, Unn, Skarpethon, Gisli, Leif, Sven, Thorgerd, Gudrun, Hildegard, Sigurd, Sigli, Loki.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: mooman
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:13 PM

Saoirse
Grainne
Saskia
Fionnghuala

Padraig
Siomon
Iarla
Kieron

Just a few suggestions....


moo


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:15 PM

Rug rat

Yard Ape

Ankel biter

An-horrid-thing-to-do-to-someone-you-profess-to-love

Grass monkey

"Get-off-of-there"

"Get-THAT-outta-Yer-Mouth"

"I'll-GIVE-ya-somethin'-to-cry-about"

Phydeaux

,-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 02:33 PM

Algernon Marmaduke? Tee hee

Rhiannon
>^..^<


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: DonMeixner
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:01 PM

John

Mary

Peter

Le Var

Beulah

and

Ermatrude

Well, maybe not, what ever you choose, remember the child has to wear the name to school, not you.

Don, father of Gregory Hans, Geoffrey Olin, and Rebekkah Jean.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:27 PM

I knew an Eilidh (Gallic equivalent of Helen) - she was from Eigg.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:28 PM

This is an interesting site. Not only do they list thousands of names, but you can put your name in to find it's potential life meaning. I was actually amazed at how close it came to me in ways.kabalarians-click here
Congratulations Becky!
Peace. Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:35 PM

HA! Clinton made me laugh for once.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: artbrooks
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 03:58 PM

Remember, this is something that the kid is going to have to live with all his/her life. I recall an acquaintance during the earlier Tolkien fever who named her son Bilbo...and you can imagine what he was called in school! He did decide to rename himself when he was about ten: "John, my name is John."


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Penny S.
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 04:14 PM

As a teacher, I'd just like to put in my twopenn'orth.
1. Give your child the full name, so that he/she has the choice of using the full name or the short or nickname version.

2. If you choose a name which may be pronounced in several ways, let the teacher know which one you are using. eg Sean, Aaron, Michele, Megan, Gawain. The same if you choose Irish, Gaelic or Welsh names in a part of the world which does not recognise the spelling rules. Some of us recognise the Cusack's names now, but not all of us. Our fault. When I first came here, there was another Penny, from Florida, who posted under another user name, and I pm'd her about the confusion. She told her given name was Penelope, but her teacher had commented about it, mispronounced it, and she had dropped it entirely for the short form. And one of our staff went on a literacy course where the tutor, speaking of Harry Potter, pronounced Hermione as Hermeeown. Don't let others' idiocy cramp your style, but support your child with it.

3. Avoid at all costs such coinings as Cherry Orchard, Pearl Button (real examples) or other things of that sort.

Otherwise, I would read a lot of stories, and choose a name that belonged to a character with the right sort of characteristics, and hadn't picked up anything negative since. eg, I used to like Gareth, until I had to teach a child of that name who was utterly unlike the Arthurian hero.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,Rhiannon
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 04:27 PM

DON'T call the poor thing "Joy". That is my original name and I changed it after 40 years of stupid remarks, usually sexual, such as Joy-stick and Joy-riding, come give me joy etc.

I can honestly say that my life has improved since I changed my name to Rhiannon, although it did cause some problems to old friends!

Rhiannon
>^..^<


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 05:19 PM

CuChullainn

Fionn

Oengus

Deirdre

Noaise

ruadh

Setanta

Chonnobhair

Fergus

Cet

Somerled


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Gloredhel
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 05:23 PM

Please consider what possible nicknames future classmates might find. Kids will be cruel, and they'll find something nasty to call anyone if they want to, but you don't need to make it easy for them. (And don't forget aobut the initials.)

Owen, Sean, and Gareth are rather nice for boys, and Aine and Alana are pretty for a girl. And before you name a girl something starting with a C/K sound, please consider this: among my friends there are two Colleens, Kathleen, Kelly, Kayla, Caitlin, Cate, Katie, and Cailey. (try saying them out loud) Gets confusing when we're all in the same room.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: flyingcat
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 05:32 PM

I like the name Mhairi which is pronounced Vari with a short "a" rather than "ay". It is gailic for Mary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: leprechaun
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 05:36 PM

Really, Beccy? My great-grandfather's name was Aloysius. Maybe we're related.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: JudeL
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 05:53 PM

Try this site for welsh names and their meanings


http://www.names2be.com/welshbabynames.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 06:42 PM

Gee... that's funny Matt... YOU make me laugh all the time...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Brakn
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:35 PM

Well I have a son due in April..........and my wife wants to call him Malachy. My mother's godfather was called Malachy O'Hare.

His brother is called, Patrick Neary Byron, born 24/12/00. (Christmas Eve!!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:35 PM

Well, I am partial to my children's names: Colin, Kyrsten(Kyrstie), and Jerusha (Rue). I also like my grandma's which was Flora Estella. Colin pronounces his as it should be, NOT like the Attorney General!

I also like Japanese and Hawaiian names such as Akira, for a boy, and Noelani for a girl.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: nutty
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 07:57 PM

Callum

Caleb

Danny

Lucy

Alice

Jane


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 08:15 PM

I have some friends that named their babies Number One and Two (they had twins) They had nick-names for both. Their thinking was the kids could pick their own names when they were older.
Peace. Rustic


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: harvey andrews
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 08:27 PM

"Harvey"...Breton for "Bitter Warrior", a rare name and dateless, not tied to any fashionable era. Only problem is...don't mention rabbits!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 08:30 PM

I always thought that Fiona is a nice Gaelic/Celtic name. Please, PLEASE don't stick him/her with something that they can be easily kidded with. Or when shortened, makes an unpleasant word. Or where the three letters or two plus the last name makes something rather absurd. Remember the college football player named Isiah Moses Hipp? I.M.Hipp. I rest my case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Gray D
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 09:07 PM

Not sure how to put this . . . erm . . . I suggest that you treat some of the name sites with EXTREME caution.

Firstly, Rustic Rebel, I typed in several names on the "Kabalarians" site and, strangely, each one came back with a report saying "[your name] has characteristics that undermine your long-term happiness and success in life.". Why might that be, do we think?

And, Jude L, a Welsh names site without "Myfanwy"? I mean to say ...

Gray D

P.S. Pay heed to yer man Meixner when he types "remember the child has to wear the name to school, not you." Wise words, oh, wise, wise words.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Gray D
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 09:17 PM

Oh, and by the way, I know one poor little b*gger called Zaphod (pron. "Zafe-odd"), yes, as in in Zaphod Beeblebrox.

....


Actually, everyone calls him "Zafe" and it sounds quite cool.


Oh, just call them what you want to. They can always change it later like Joy did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 09:31 PM

How about "Guest"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 09:42 PM

Don't forget the poor girl whose parents named her "Ima" wiht a last name of "Hogg!"

My dad knew a man, last name of Katt, named his son, Thomas.

I've always like Gabriel and Sasheen, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 09:54 PM

Thank you JudeL...great site!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Neighmond
Date: 02 Feb 03 - 11:08 PM

My grandmother's dad was as Irish as they come-his name was Ambrose D. Murphy-his wife was named OraBelle, and I never saw another with that name.
I once had a girlfriend named Autumn, who had bright red hair.

What about good old names:

Mary Louise
Sara Jane
Sylvester
Alvira (a teacher in high school)
Beaulah (we called her "Bee," My uncles called her "Beau" for short)
I seem to remember a very quiet Dark haired-girl in one of my classes some yestertime that was named "Avenyon" (probably misspelled).
I DO remember a Brunette in my science class who was named "Aura Lee" (also probably mispelled), and she confirmed that yes, she was named for the maid in the old song.

My name is good old corrupted stock: Chaz-short and sweet (like a roasted maggot!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:46 AM

One of my faves is this one...

Heulwen. Which is Welsh for Sunshine.

Ella


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:48 AM

it's pronounced.
Differs to wether you are north or south... but

Heyl-wen (hayl-wen)

Hail-wen ( the ai sounds as in aisle)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: banjomad (inactive)
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:51 AM

Good old viking name ' Eric '
I hope it goes wll.
Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Gurney
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:59 AM

How about both musical AND old, like Duane and Elvis. Honest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: rich-joy
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 05:26 AM

what about "Richenda" - last post was from "Gurney" - Richenda is a very old name with both British / European origins and is a family name amongst the Gurneys of England ...

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: JudeL
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 07:25 AM

Grey D, Whilst the site is missing a couple of names such as Kyndwen ( an honory aunt when I was growing up) it isn't missing Myfanwy. Maybe you simply failed to notice that page one is girls names a-g and that for h-z you need to click on page 2 and that boys names are pages 3 & 4 ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Declan
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 07:44 AM

Jenny O,

What do you want ?

Boys : Aenghus, Ruarai (or Rory if you're worried about people being able to pronounce it), Cian, Ciarán, Dara, Fiach, Séamus, Seán, Micheál, Padraig, Brendan, Dermot, Éanna (or Enda in English), Niall, Tadhg

Girls : Sorcha, Niamh, Áine, Siobhán, Seonaid, Caoimhe, Aoife, Éilis, Nóra, Noreen, Sadhbh, Míde, Bríd, Caitlín, Aideen, Orla


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Noreen
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 07:58 AM

Declan,

You called?   :0)


Lovely ideas, all (Well, most, Clinton!)

How about Fergus or Fergal, and my middle name, Maeve? Queen Maeve was a very powerful woman in Irish mythology, thought perhaps (as my mother put it) no better than she should have been.... *grin*

Congrats, Beccy, and hope all is well. Keep singing to him/her.

Noreen


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:08 AM

My Cornish cousin has asked me to be Godfather to their new son Treve.
I have a Cornish nephew called Drustan (a surfing champ).
Keith(you could do worse).


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Letty
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:25 AM

Irish names I like: Colm, Eoin, Ciaran / Leana Aoife Niamh
Nordic names I like: Eric (or Erik), Tor (but not if you're Dutch, because then it means 'beetle'), Jari (Finnish) / Hilde, Maarit (or Marit), Leena (for Finnish names, incl. pronunciation, see here).

I don't know your surname, but I would make sure it matches the child's first name. Lasairfhiona Jones just looks a bit silly (which means that I'll probably never pick one of those lovely Irish names for my children, they just don't go with the Dutch surname).

Letty


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: sian, west wales
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:26 AM

Oh, lord ... don't call the poor thing Myfanwy. She'll either end up Muhvvy or Fanny.

You could try this site

One of my god-daughters is Elinor Haf (Haf meaning summer - born in August) and it's quite common to have a name than refers to the month or season in which you were born, or similar. i.e. Haf/summer, Medi/September, Mai/May, Eira/snow (all girls) - Gwenhwyfer means 'smile of June' and is also "Guinevere" (or however that's spelt). Come to think of it, boys' second names tend to be more geographical - named after their home areas, or rivers, like Dyfed, Ceiriog, Arfon,etc.

I quite like Bryn or Emyr for boys. Best not saddle them with anything other nationalities might find difficult to pronounce, like Llew.

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Beccy
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:45 AM

Okay, all... how do you pronounce Aine? (And how do you get the accnt on it in plain text...) Meaning?

Keep the boys names coming- considering my track record (3 boys already), I should probably have one ready.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,Geordie
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:06 AM

I my family it is Geordie, Angus, Artemesia. Estella and Rowan. I like em all but mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:41 AM

Rustic Rebel

kabalarians - failed on two names: MrRed and my real name. There is no meaning to me!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 10:36 AM

Hwyl - Huwel

Rowan

Idris

Guto (gito - boys name)

Rhodri (boys)

Trefan (it's a mountain in North Wales)

erm....


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Peg
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 10:52 AM

Irish: I like Eamonn for a boy (AY-mun) and Maeve for a girl...

Welsh: Gareth for a boy, Gaenor for a girl...

Scottish: Angus, Fergal or Ian for a boy; Catriona for a girl...


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: JennyO
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 11:19 AM

Hello Declan!

There's one of you here, is there?

A friend of mine's husband was named Declan, and her recently born grandson got the same name.

I just like it, is all {:-)}

Jenny (the O stands for O'Reilly)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Beccy
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 11:21 AM

Since you're all up for the challenge, the next hurdle is making it agree with what we have already. To wit:

Liam James
Aidan Michael
Ty Davis (yes- just Ty- not Tyler... and no, not Ty Cobb)

For those of you reminding me to worry about nicknames and whatnot- don't worry... I'm pretty careful about that. No nasty acronyms or rhymes (at least that i could think of) with the other kidlets. Why start now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Naemanson
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:08 PM

There was a time when I almost convinced my daughters their original names were Ga-snoogle-snort and Primate Proboscis. Unfortunately their mother would not go along with it.

Whatever you choose you will love no matter what second thoughts you think you might have. Just be sure that you and your spouse agree before the birth. Our first daughter was born after a long labor and finally a C-Section. After it was over the nurse asked me for the name and I gave her what I thought we had agreed to. It was later, after the birth certificate was filed, that my wife told me that she had decided she didn't like the name.

Whne our next daughter was born my wife insisted on having the right to choose the name herself.

I wonder why that marriage didn't work out....


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Noreen
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:30 PM

Pronunciation of Áine varies with area in Ireland, but somewhere between Awn-ya and Arn-ya. It is of course the Irish equivalent of Ann or Anna.

Make sure you teach people how to pronounce it properly if you do use the name; I know an Áine over here in England who accepts that people will pronounce her name Ay-na, which to me is a horrible corruption of a beautiful name.
(And to get the accented Á, try holding down the AltGr key [to the right of space bar on my keyboard] while typing the letter A.)

I love the name Declan too, Jenny. I had a major crush on a Declan many years ago- and no, it's not mudcatter Declan. :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Jimmy C
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:29 PM

A few names of my own chidren, Grandchildren,nieces, nephews,


Rhiannon - Welsh - (Empress or great queen)
Caillean - similar to cailin,
Ruadhri - Ruari - Rory
Kaelin
Tynan
Ronan
Kevin
Kelvin
Conan
Mavourneen ?.
Alanna
Ternan
Lucresia
Sean
Eoin - Owen
Morag
Kirsten


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,Gwonya
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 03:57 PM

Little Girl - Petunia
Little Boy - Rimshot
...and next time it's my turn to pick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:34 PM

My last name is Patterson and most with that name are often nicknamed "Pat." My parents made it simple and named me Patrick. But do be sure it's a liveable name. Truth: I went to school with a girl named Sharon Peters.

We were fortunate enough to bring our first son (both of ours are adopted) home from the hospital and name him ourselves. He is Tristan Alan. Our second son came to us in foster care at 6 months of age, already named Michael. When we were able to adopt him, we changed his middle name to Dennis. The point of this tale is that in both cases, the middle names were the names of two of my closest friends. About a year after Tris was born, Alan, only 42, had a massive heart attack and died. Just after Michael's formal adoption, Denny was diagnosed with a terminal cancer and died about two years later. I now have friends who say that if we have any more kids, they will pay me not to use their names!

But say, if you want some really hot names, how about Shadrach, Meshach, or Abednigo?

One other thing.......We knew Tristan would have problems and have been very lucky his autistic tendencies are as limited as they are, but he is well delayed and one of his worst problems is with speech. Had we thought through it a bit, we would have picked a name which would have been easier for him to deal with. We didn't know what the mental retardation would encompass, just that there would be "some," and it could have been much worse, but a simpler name might have been a good idea. Then again, I look at him every day and think, "Yeah, but who else could Tris be but Tris???"   

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Gray D
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 08:15 PM

Jude L

Ha! They can't fool me!! They added "Myfanwy" after they saw my post. Nothing to do with me not paying enough attention. Nothing at all . . . daft, old f@rt? Me? mumble, mumble, mumble . . .

I note that one of the names on the site is "Undeg" . . . why would you call your kid "Eleven"? I mean, I know the families were larger in those days but it seems a tad literal.

It's Gray D, with an "a" not an "e", by the way. Might as well get it right on a names thread, I spose.

Gray D


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: mg
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:09 PM

what are your other children and your husband named?   

I am fond of the plain names of Grace, Kathleen, Eileen and Peggy for girls and Michael, Patrick, Kevin, Joseph and Brian for boys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,John Gray in Oz
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 09:26 PM

Looked through all the baby name books and nothing appealed. The deal was that I would name boys, the wife girls.
In panic on the day of the birth I grabbed the city phone directory and picked out a surname as a first name. Did it with all three boys - Ryder, Cable & Slade.

JG/FME


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,Ely
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 10:52 PM

Noss (Freyja's daughter--supposed to be an incomparably sweet, gentle little girl).   Come to think of it, "Freyja" isn't bad, either.

Sunniva--I believe she was an early Saint. I can't recall if she was Norwegian and ended up in Ireland or Irish and ended up in Norway, or if I'm completely wrong all around, but it's a neat name.

Kjarstin (SHARE-stin)--needs no explanation, but it's my sister-in-law-to-be's name, and it's just slightly unusual without being outlandish.

I'm not much help. In the unlikely event that I ever have kids, I've decided they get one normal name and one weird name, so they don't have to be completely conformist but don't get stuck explaining themselves all the time. My given name is Alethea Sojourner (for Sojourner Truth, the abolitionist/feminist) and I'm so tired of people mispronouncing and misinterpreting it that I'm about ready to change it to "Jane" and live the rest of my life in peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 03:23 AM

Beccy...

Not sure if you know?

Ty is Welsh for House, (pronounced Tee) What about calling him, Ty Bach....

giggle - means little house - which is a polite way of saying the smallest room in the house (bathroom)

Personally, I think Aidan Michael sounds nice!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Gurney
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 03:47 AM

If you like Mike Ripley's books, Angel's sister is called Finnoula, nicknamed Fifi. Should go with a Celtic surname.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Bagpuss
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:18 AM

Although I don't believe in it at all, the kabalarians website is good fun, and bizarrely has seemed to be really accurate for a load of people I know. We printed out the analysis for an ex boss of mine and put it on the wall as it was so accurate. Mine hit me spot on. Funnily enough, I only once came across the "[your name] has characteristics that undermine your long-term happiness and success in life." phrase, and it was for a person who hated her name and was considering changing it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: JudeL
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 08:12 AM

I tried a lot of different names and varieties of names on the Kalabrian website (mine and friends) for most of which the site said that they had characteristics which undermine etc, some of which propmted messages about the problems that could be caused by an inapt surname or birthday etc etc etc.... and all of which were urging one to order " a more indepth meaning" .... now to me this sounds remarkably like "we want your money". You may say that this is a cynical attitude which it probably is .... funny though... cynicism was one of the few characteristics that however I spelt my name(s) the site never suggested was one of my characteristics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 08:47 AM

Cynical? Oh, I don't know.......I tried entering "Asshole" as a first name and then "Dipshit" followed by "Scumbag"......Here are the results:

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The name of Asshole has given you an appreciation for many beautiful and refined aspects of life--music and art, literature, drama--and the outdoors, where you find much peace and relaxation, but it creates a far too sensitive nature. You sense and feel much that you do not understand, and sometimes you are alarmed at your thoughts and wonder about their origin. You rarely experience the tranquility that comes with stability of thinking or emotional control. At times, you are very inspired, desiring to be with people and to entertain others as the "life of the party," while at other times you are aloof and choose to remove yourself entirely from association. You crave understanding and affection but your intensity of desire and your self-consciousness prevent you from finding the happiness you desire. You have suffered many disappointments and misunderstandings because of your inability to express your inner thoughts. You could experience sensitivity in the heart, lungs, or bronchial organs, causing tuberculosis, asthma, or depletion of your energies.
While the first name of Asshole has some constructive qualities, it has characteristics that undermine your long-term happiness and success in life.

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While your name of Dipshit gives you an intense desire to be of service to others, it brings out a practical, technical nature, and you become involved in fussy little details that detract from the fulfilment of your greater ideals. You are a very patient person and will work hard one step at a time to accomplish your goals. Not interested in large undertakings, you are content to live from day to day to save for your future. Always budgeting carefully, you do not believe in frivolous spending. You tend to be thorough in building a solid foundation of fact and logic, but you are not especially imaginative or investigative. You are particular and quite set in your way you want things to be done. Once you have made up your mind or formed an opinion it is not easily changed. Hence there is a restriction in friendships and business opportunities. This name stimulates urges and desires for which there is no creative outlet and the ensuing frustration creates nervous tension which centres in the region of the solar plexus and intestinal organs, causing constipation, intestinal trouble, boils, or growths. You feel emotional frustrations and disturbances that create irritability and a strong temper.
While the first name of Dipshit has some constructive qualities, it has characteristics that undermine your long-term happiness and success in life.

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Your first name of Scumbag has given you creative ability, imagination along practical lines, and the patience to pay attention to detail for a while. Although you are attracted to technical, mechanical, scientific fields, you lack the patience to follow through with this interest. This name gives a certain amount of practicality to your thinking; but there is also a tendency to scatter your efforts for, although you want system and order and stability in your life, you are too apt to be distracted from the job you are doing and to become involved in spontaneous interests. You are good-natured, have a good sense of humour, and are fairly easy-going, making friends with those who enjoy a good time. A weakness of this name is a tendency to make promises which you have difficulty in keeping. You tend to be lavish in your tastes and to spend your money freely. You have a heart of gold and are always ready to give generously. Since your feelings are strong and you tend to be enthusiastic and boisterous, you burn up your energies quickly and indulge in quick-energy foods, sweets, and starches. This type of diet affects the functions of the liver, causing either suffering with gall stones, jaundice, or skin troubles.
While the first name of Scumbag has some constructive qualities, it has characteristics that undermine your long-term happiness and success in life.

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SPAW


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: JudeL
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 09:06 AM

(((SPAW))) thank you ... I am (once again) mopping spluttered coffee from keyboard and screen, having been unwise enough be drinking (_)> while reading your post. xxxx Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Bagpuss
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 09:31 AM

I hadn't been to the kabalarians website for ages, so i checked it again - last time, it didn't have that bit on the end "it has characteristics that undermine your long-term happiness and success in life", but now it has. Obviously trying to drum up more business as everyone just goes there for the free brief analysis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: sian, west wales
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:14 AM

Grey D. - I never thought about that "11" business before! I know someone called Undeg (as it happens - it also means 'fair one') and I shall never think of her in quite the same way!

Ella, I think your fingers tripped themselves up on the "Hwyl" (Hywel?) one ... but, come to think of it, it would be great to be called 'hwyl'!

sian!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Beccy
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:23 AM

Does anyone know whether there's a website for Welsh names?
I did actually know that Ty was Welsh for house (coincidentally, he is as big as one...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:33 AM

Chantelle leanne


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Beccy
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:39 AM

Sorry JudeL... I'm a dork. I just reread the post and saw your link to the Welsh Baby Names site.

Are there any more?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:52 AM

I just love the disclaimers at the end of each "analysis" at that sillyass Kabalarian site!!! Being an Equal Opps kinda' guy, I entered two completely disgusting names for a male and a female. Now for the life of me, I can't think of any "constructive qualities" that either of these names might impart!!!
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While your name of Itsybitsydick gives you an intense desire to be of service to others, it brings out a practical, technical nature, and you become involved in fussy little details that detract from the fulfilment of your greater ideals. You are a very patient person and will work hard one step at a time to accomplish your goals. Not interested in large undertakings, you are content to live from day to day to save for your future. Always budgeting carefully, you do not believe in frivolous spending. You tend to be thorough in building a solid foundation of fact and logic, but you are not especially imaginative or investigative. You are particular and quite set in your way you want things to be done. Once you have made up your mind or formed an opinion it is not easily changed. Hence there is a restriction in friendships and business opportunities. This name stimulates urges and desires for which there is no creative outlet and the ensuing frustration creates nervous tension which centres in the region of the solar plexus and intestinal organs, causing constipation, intestinal trouble, boils, or growths. You feel emotional frustrations and disturbances that create irritability and a strong temper.
While the first name of Itsybitsydick has some constructive qualities, it has characteristics that undermine your long-term happiness and success in life.

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Your name of Gapingclam makes you easy-going and refined, but detracts from your physical vitality. You desire all the finer things in life--lovely clothes, home, furniture, and environment. However, procrastination is your worst enemy, and you find yourself lacking the ambition to make your dreams a reality. People are inclined to take advantage of your sympathetic, tractable nature. You naturally attract people with problems who seek your understanding and advice. You can give good advice although it is unlikely that you would follow it yourself. You would be most successful in situations where you can use your skills in diplomacy in handling people, but where you are not under pressure or required to carry responsibility and make decisions. It is difficult for you to be individual and make your own decisions, for you lack self-confidence. Your desire for sweet, rich foods could cause overweight, circulatory problems, or weakness in the kidneys.
While the first name of Gapingclam has some constructive qualities, it has characteristics that undermine your long-term happiness and success in life.

*********************************************************************

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: JennyO
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:59 AM

Oh Spaw, ROTFLMAO to the extreme!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Firecat
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:09 PM

Thanks Spaw!

Seriously though, names wise, mine is Kathryn Arwen! I don't want to give my kids weird names when I have them, so girl 1 will be Claire Jennifer and girl 2 will be Rhianydd or Kiara Louise (haven't decided yet). Boy 1 will be Ian Richard, boy 2 will be Stephen Luke and boy and girl will be Claire Jennifer and Ian Richard.

They won't turn up for a fair few years yet though!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Firecat
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:10 PM

Oh, yeah, and one of my college tutors is Geraint.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Sabine
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 04:36 PM

Congratulations!

I named my youngest daughter Annika which comes from Scandinavia and has the meaning of "little Annie"
:o)

She loves it very much and I'm still happy with that decision.

Unfortunately *g* I never got married to an Irish guy. In this case I would have named a girl Aisling which means vision or dream.

My eldest daughter is called Barbara. A very old German name. And she really hates it. Sorry, baby *g*.
She should use the Irish version which is written Bairbre *eg*

Her second name is Martha but I'm not allowed to tell anyone, ehem...

What about Sabine ;-)

just kidding.....


All the best

Sabine

CantaLibre - more than just folk


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Gray D
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 06:49 PM

Beccy, just spotted your question about how to get the accents over the vowels. Hold down the "Alt Gr" key when you type them - á é í ó ú.

See? We knew it had to have a use didn't we, class?

And Sian, next time you say hullo to Eleven . . . erm . . . don't mention my name . . . which is still "Gray D" with an "a", not an "e", although as I grow older, perhaps . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Burke
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 07:49 PM

It would appear there are only a limited number of name discriptions at that site. My real name came back with exactly the same as one of the ones that Spaw posted above.

I didn't find a single name that did not undermine longterm happiness. Are there really any that they would say are good?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Gray D
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 08:07 PM

Ohhhh, I just couldn't resist the influence of the SPAW . . .dan, dan, daaaaaaaaaah!

Your name of Dickhead has created a most expressive nature, idealistic and inspirational, driven with a strong inner urge to be of service in some way that would uplift humanity as a whole. However, there is a tendency to assume too heavy a burden of responsibility for others, which leads to worry and undue concern. People with problems are drawn to you as they recognize you as one who has understanding and gives not only sympathy and comfort but provides also some constructive advice or assistance. You have a generous quality to your nature, but you must guard carefully against giving more than you receive or you will find yourself doing without because you have helped someone else. You love people, family, home, and friends and try to be a parent to the whole human race. While you have generally stable conditions in your personal life, you may experience some problems in business affairs through a tendency to be scattering and inattentive to details. Any health problems would show as tension in the nervous system brought on by worry.
While the first name of Dickhead has some constructive qualities, it has characteristics that undermine your long-term happiness and success in life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: InOBU
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:52 PM

Congrats Beccy: I have always been partial to the Cornish (I beleive) name Frith if it is a girleen. Cheers Larry


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:08 PM

1. Once when I had a summer job at a swimming pool, we found a forgotten five-year-old at the end of the day. She had a first name she couldn't pronounce clearly, and she didn't even know her last name. After a long wait, her big brother came back for her. It was pretty clear that he had been tongue-lashed up one side and down the other for forgetting her, and I fear he took it out on her as they walked home.

Moral: if your family speaks English, give your kid a name s/he can pronounce and that English-speakers can figure out. Forget names like "Rhianydd."   

2. A trend I despise is the yuppie tendency to give girls masculine names like Madison or Holloway. It's as if the parents are saying, "You're rich enough to be an honorary male now." Grrr!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 03:03 AM

I have one here...

Welsh baby names and meanings

hope that helps

Ella


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 03:09 AM

or...

more Welsh names and meanings


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Beccy
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 08:36 AM

Gray D... you aren't using an American keyboard are ye?
I don't mean to sound daft, but what's the equivalent for us Statesiders?


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Gray D
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 06:21 PM

Oh . . ahh . . er . . on my M!crosoft keyboard there is a key immediately to the right of the space bar labelled "Alt Gr" (to the left of the spacebar is the ordinary "Alt" key).

I knew that French keyboards were weird 'cos I tried one in EuroDisney 'n' it took me about half an hour to type 30 or so words (normally only takes about 25 minutes), but I didn't know that US keyboards could be different.

A thought occurs . . . you're not using one of those fruity computers, are you? I have no idea what the keyboard layout of a Napple might look like.

You can sometimes get around problems inserting unusual letter formats by composing in your word processor and using the "Insert Symbol" (or similar) function, then cut and paste into the Mudcat.

HTH

Gray D


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: JennyO
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 10:03 AM

On my keyboard (in Australia), the keys immediately to the left and right of the space bar both say Alt. No gr.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Beccy
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 10:14 AM

JennyO- Same here in the US with our keyboards. GrayD- I'm using a standard American layout keyboard. My bottom row reads:

Ctrl (windows) Alt Space bar Alt (windows) (drop down menu) Ctrl


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: MMario
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 10:24 AM

standard?   I believe that is a "windows" enhanced keyboard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: sian, west wales
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 10:52 AM

Beccy, as I mentioned above, this site has names from all the Celtic nations.

Firecat, may I suggest "Rhianedd" instead of "Rhianydd"?

sian


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: JennyO
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 11:55 AM

Beccy, my keyboard is exactly the same as yours, right across the bottom line.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Beccy
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 03:59 PM

Alrighty, MMario- you're right. But I plead the prevalence of Windows in calling my keyboard standard ;-)

Now... I suggested Eowyn as a girl's name (no snickers from the anti-Tolkien crowd, please...) but the hubby is thus far not impressed. His response was something like: "No... Un uh... No way. End of discussion."

As for boys? Gollee, I dunno. As I said, having had 3 boys I'm running a little shy. We've got a heckuva last name, so the first name has to be kind of on the shorter side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,Inspector Morse
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 05:59 PM

Hope your not considering following a trend set by the character Chardonnay in the ITV drama 'Footballers Wives.' (Stout, Guinness, Murphys, Jamesons spring to mind ......)


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Firecat
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 06:01 PM

sian, the reason I put Rhianydd is because when I was at Warwick Folk Festival, I met a girl with that name and she spelt it for me. I put the spelling she gave me.

Added to which, I find it easier to write (handwrite)!! :-) Mind you, I'm used to writing "ydd" at the end of some names, because I have a friend called Daffydd!


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,AArk
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 07:10 PM

In acknowledgement of the time Britain was "Great", I offer:-

Boy Brunel

Girl Brunelle

Dont think it will catch on somehow....


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,Shaina
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 08:03 PM

Isla-pronounced Eye-la
Orla
Olwen
Nell
Hannah
Sophia
Isobel
Lilias
Chava

Brennan
Conor
Marcel
Ira
Ezra
Gervase
a bit outlandish, but my favorites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: Penny S.
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 02:45 PM

None of the names already on that site are my name with the original Greek spelling - the multitudes of differently spelled versions are extraordinary. I take that as a warning to keep away - so I shall, and rely on Spaw to reveal the worst!

If you like the Eowyn direction, there are some Anglo/Saxon names which are little used and not too unusual for a child. Eanswyth, Aldyth, Osyth, Alfrida, and others. Some of the more obvious ones, like Hilda, Edith and Mildred, were too used in the 19th century, though. The Early English saints were a good bunch of women to imitate.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Hit me with some baby names!!!!
From: GUEST,madlangans3@earthlink.net
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 06:45 PM

Another vote for Aoife for a girl but I also love Aine

For a boy there's Oisin. Named mine that. He was the poet feller who wander around tir na Nog with Naimh. My O has a story book about the legendary O where they are all wearing tie-dyed looking clothing. It's crazy.

Usually lurk but having one (baba) myself soon so this thread is great. Wouldn't have had the nerve to ask you guys myself since no one knows me etc. Thanks Beccy!


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