Pacific Northwest Folklore Society

Subject: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 07:15 PM

The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society was founded in 1953,
but now has a new presence on the web

Check it out!

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: open mike
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 07:53 PM

and check out their upcoming concert....
featuring two illustrious mudcatters..

Sunday, October 14, 2pm
DON FIRTH & BOB NELSON IN CONCERT AGAIN.
Don and Bob first met in 1953, and over the years have
performed at many coffee houses, nightclubs, and concerts
in Seattle and San Francisco. And most of all ...
they remain loyal friends!
Come for an afternoon of folk songs and stories.
Central Lutheran Church, 1710 11th Ave. 2pm,
$10, kids half price

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: mg
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:11 PM

Cool. I had not heard of it but it is a great idea...mg

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:21 PM

Is the 10 dollars IRS tax-deductable if it is made out to the Christ Luthern Church?

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST, #2
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:26 PM

Nope. The church doesn't get the money. It's just the venue. It's a favorite place to perform for many early music groups (lutenists, madrigal singers, etc.) because the accoustics are so good.

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: johnross
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:33 PM

Interesting that this seems to be an entirely anonymous enterprise...no names, no contact except an untraceable e-mail address.

The events and records promoted on that site are all quite admirable and worthy of support, but somehow the whole thing would be a lot more credible if the responsible parties made themselves more visible.

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 10:40 PM

"the whole thing would be a lot more credible if the responsible parties made themselves more visible. "

heck, there's even a picture of us.
what more do you want?

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:09 PM

WHY???? Is a USA tax-exempt organization (LUTHERN CHURCH)permiting a profit making organization BMWFSto solicit donations within their "TAX FREE" peramiters....

Looks like an IRS investigation to me!!!!

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:19 PM

"heck, there's even a picture of us.
what more do you want?"

There's not a picture if one is using the Opera browser. I see only colored rectangles and a little text at the bottom, unless I open Firefox. (I do NOT use I.E.)

(the links at the left work, but there is nothing to tell me what I am clicking on)

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:28 PM

I thought that Michael Coonyes article was facitnating. Bob

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:39 PM

click on About PNWFS on the home page
then click on Some of our members
and you should get this

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 11:49 PM

I see my Dad, and a couple of shots of Bob Nelson, and a couple of Julie Sakahara, but I don't know all of them by any means. Photos don't imply endorsement--I think John Ross is correct--if it is a legitimate group it needs a little more transparency regarding the setup.

SRS

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 01:48 AM

I see Frank Ferrel and a couple of John Ashford... hey, this is like Where's Waldo!

Seriously: what's the remit of the Society? Does it include BC? or Oregon? or...? Is is performance-oriented, is it academically minded?

Jon Bartlett

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST, #2
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 12:13 PM

No, Gargoyle. The church is not sponsoring the concert, nor is it receiving any of the proceeds, not even a rental fee for the use of the space. It is a community service of the church.

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 12:34 PM

"Where's Waldo"?
so far we have John Dwyer, Bob Nelson, Julie Sakahara, Frank Ferrel, and John Ashford. that's a good start. how about the others?

"what's the remit of the Society?"
well, it includes Oregon, Washington, BC, and even Alaska - all in the northwest and on the Pacific coast.

"Is it performance-oriented, is it academically minded?"
PNWFS only has a presence on the web at this point. we will promote performances and other events that relate to the folklore of the pacific northwest through traditional and 'in the tradition' songs and music by listing them on our web site. we have no plans to produce any performances ourselves. we do seek to collect folklore of the pnw, such as recordings, historical accounts, pictures, folk songs and other music, and will share this material through our web site. our web site is new, and will evolve and grow in the future to meet those aims. all of this requires little or no money, just the interest of a few people who care about the folklore of the pnw. therefore, we will have no fundraising, membership drives, costly print publications, offices or other facilities to maintain, or egos to inflate. it's all pretty simple. after all, that's what folk music is about isn't it?

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 01:45 PM

This will NEVER NEVER fly! It's way to simple! Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: rangeroger
Date: 15 Sep 07 - 02:20 AM

Damn! Didn't see Idaho on the list. Guess I have to keep playing with myself.
Unless I can find Kendal's Llama.

rr

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 03:13 AM

Isn't the point of this Folk Music, not who is or isn't Pacific northwest?
This discoussion got off track before it got going.
I would rather see a discussion of the aims and intents of this Pacific Northwest Folk Music Society far more than care who has formed it. I don't think anyone is in it to get rich or sabotage whatever.
Obivously, the PNFMS cares about the music of the region. I suppose if someone comes in and wants to talk about a song about an area in New York State, that probably wouldn't fit, but if someone comes in with a song from British Columbia or Alaska or Idaho, I suspect that would be acceptable.
Somehow there seems to have been a lot of hostility raised by this and I don't get it.
mj

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 06:30 AM

Love the idea of a "John Ross" being concerned about the Northwest!

Regards

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 10:41 AM

Fortunately, the Cherokee Chief John Ross didn't hold the patent on the name.

I don't think there is hostility, but healthy skepticism. This looks like it is hosted in the extremely tenuous and volatile venue of someone's home Internet account. And a photo is just that--a photo. A nice glance back at people who may have established a group decades ago before the Internet was even an idea, many of whom are moved on or deceased. So that doesn't work as a form of validation.

If there is an organized group called the Pacific Northwest Folklore Society, separate from the various Seattle Folklore and Song Circle groups, it needs to make itself more distinctly separate and needs a more durable foundation than what may be a hobby for someone with an Internet account. This isn't meant to damn with faint praise or question the intent of whoever PNW folkie is (who is that, anyway? Someone I know? Pardon the query if everyone else knows but me.) Reviving an older but now defunct group may be a pleasant look back, but is there work that this group needs to do that someone else isn't already doing?

Maggie Dwyer

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 11:56 AM

I was thinking of an even more magnetic personality...

Regards

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,Emjay
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 12:48 PM

I posted above, and didn't realize until I looked agsain at this thread, that my cookie must have expired. I'll take care of that.
mj

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: johnross
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 02:12 PM

Excuse me? There have been a lot of people using my name (or me theirs) over the last two or three hundred years. But I come by it as honestly as any of them: the John Ross after whom the Ross Ice Shelf was named, or the one who was married to Betsy Ross the flag maker, or the journalist who writes about Mexican politics, let alone the leader of the Cherokees, to name just a few.

And considering that I have been active in the folk music communities of the Pacific Northwest for about 35 years, I don't understand why Martin Ryan should think my interest should be worthy of any comment. What the @#$%! are you talking about, Mr. Ryan?

As for the PNW Folklore Society, Maggie D and I are on the same page. Why the mystery? Why not identify the people behind the web site, and any other projects the group is planning or supporting? As others have noted in this thread, there just isn't enough information on the web site to know whether or not to take it seriously.

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnwfs folkie
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 03:25 PM

"Isn't the point of this Folk Music, not who is or isn't Pacific northwest?"

Yes, that's what we think. There are many valid and serious web sites without an individual's name attached. You are right, this is from a home computer - why spend a lot of money on a commercial site when we can do it for free? Does that give it less validity? We don't think so. As to who we are - some of us were founding members of the PNWFS back in 1953, others are more recent to the folk music scene here.

There are other organizations here involved in folk music here. However, they have gravitated to the singer-songwriter genre, away from their traditional roots. Now that may not be bad - there are some very talented musicians coming here to sing the songs they have written just yesterday or perhaps a year or two ago, but that's not the traditional music we're trying to promote and preserve. There are local folk musicians from this area, some passed on, some aging (aren't we all), whose music will soon be forgotten if there isn't a group to keep it alive and to grow the tradition.

We would like to be responsive to those who visit our web site. At this point we can list concerts and other events, and recording, which relate to the musical traditions and folklore of the Pacicific Northwest. We would like to expand this in the future to posting some songs unique to the PNW, perhaps with a few mp3 files (our storage capicity is not that large yet); and perhaps some historical accounts of the folk musci scene in the PNW. And we will try to answer all enquires through our email address (I am still waiting to receive an answer to my email directed several weeks ago to the info@ addy of another organization's large impressive web site).

In short, I think our web site and organization will be validated in time over what we do, rather than who we are.

And I object to a certain ill-tempered remark ("What the @#$%! are you talking about, Mr. Ryan") to a good gentleman and friend of mine in Ireland. As Emjay said, "Somehow there seems to have been a lot of hostility raised by this and I don't get it." We're obviously not in it to get rich (we're not selling anything), nor to sabotage anyone's organization or to inflate our own egos.

Peace

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: David Ingerson
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 03:44 PM

As someone who has organized folk singing events in the Pacific Northwest--mostly in the Portland area--for over 25 years, let me add my two cents.

I share some of the above-stated skepticism, but would like to welcome and encourage whoever you are. The more people involved in this tenuous movement, the better.

So, go for it. Make some good stuff happen. You have my support.

But I just can't help being more than a little curious as to why you are so reticent about revealing who you are. I guess, unfortunately, that has become an issue. Too bad. It is a side issue, I suppose.

At any rate, I'd love to see your energy blossom into some good things for the folk singing movement.

Cheers,

David

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 05:17 PM

David, thanks for your kind remarks.
I'll see you in a few weeks,
and all will be revealed,
to you at least.

pnw folkie

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 05:59 PM

My comments should be interpreted, depending on your inclination, as deviation - or should that be variation ?

Regards
p.s. just my threepence worth.

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 07:23 PM

Why all of the secrecy? It doesn't bode well for the "organization" if you are simply putting up a few pages and historic images, not saying who is behind it, and hinting at greater things. There are established places that will host pages for small groups, there are free sites that will host pages for small groups. Having something that is not in the hands of a single individual but has some group oversight would be a good start. Who else is involved, or are you using a royal "We?"

SRS

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 07:54 PM

I definitely see a need..especially if it is osmewhat interactive. mg

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnwfs folkie
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 09:06 PM

"I definitely see a need..especially if it is osmewhat interactive."

Just email us and we'll respond.

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: open mike
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 03:22 PM

will the PNWFS be represented at the folk alliance conference in
vancouver in november? This would be a great way to make your virtual
presence, well, ....actual.

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 03:35 PM

hmmm....
interesting question

pnw folkie

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 06:25 PM

I do think we need a forum specifically for PNW...and here is a scoop..I think there is going to be a maritime workshop/concert in Ilwaco on October 27. Put on by Parks Department. Cape Disappointment Lighthouse perhaps? I am excited it will be on this side of the river. I think a concert will be in Maritime Museum in Astoria in the evening though.

Things like this..the camps (don't forget Sunnycamp Sept. 28 to 30..I am not really announcing it too much this year..partially lack of time and partially it is winding down as this is the last year but come for any period of time and we will charge accordingly but only $55 for whole weekend).

I also like the idea of making lyrics and perhaps downloads?? available. I have a bunch of my songs on a CD..just me singing into a mike at KBOO..nothing to listen to partiuclary other than to get the tunes..but you could put stuff like that up there...there is lots of stuff from folklife workshops etc. about PNW. Jon P. has collected quite a bit I believe as have others from various camps etc.   mg

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 06:32 PM

Hi Mary,

All good ideas. I'll see you in a few weeks and we can talk more about this. Also, tell me more about the maritime workshop/concert.

pnw folkie

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 07:53 PM

I do not have more information yet..I just talked to the organizer at Parks Department today. He should be at Sunnycamp Friday evening. We shouldn't probably post it until there is a definite statement from him. I am hoping this will expand next year and be the whole weekend and include various workshops etc. And a few Fisher Poets etc. It should be held int eh Lewis and Clark new interpretive center, which is very nice. mg

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 19 Sep 07 - 08:10 PM

just talked to the head of another major folk music
organization here. there's no reason why
we can't join forces and together promote
"traditional music and folklore" in the region.
in fact we probably will.

if you haven't figured out who we (pnwfs) are yet,
either you're not from around here,
or you don't know the major players,
or you haven't tried,
but you should.

stay tuned, and we will reveal all,
soon.

pnw folkie

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 12:06 AM

I haven't tried. I get a bit annoyed at apparently needless mysteries that require an extra effort when none should be necessary. Why don't you send me a PM under your real Mudcat name, or send an email. If you're a regular player in Seattle, you should know how to get my email address. Don or Bob or Jean or Stew or . . .

SRS

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,doc.tom
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 04:05 AM

Wow! What a fascinating thread. You guys are almost as suspicious, cynical and bitchy as us Brits. Give Jeff Warner our love when he does PNWFS in October.

Tom & Barbara

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: GUEST,guest - pnw folkie
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 05:54 PM

to SRS

maybe...

to Tom & Barbara
we'll do that.
looking forward to meeting Jeff.

pnw folkie

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Sep 07 - 10:25 PM

Thanks.

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 07:02 PM

You'll never get the Google hits you want operating from a home computer. A search on Pacific Northwest Folklore Society gets one true hit--here at Mudcat.

Did you put in any metalanguage at all?

SRS

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 01:19 AM

Should have said "personal account." I think browsers tend to overlook "comcast.com" and "aol.com" and "earthlink.net" etc pages.

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:57 AM

The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
consists of
Stewart Hendrickson
Bob "Deckman" Nelson
Don Firth
and any others who
want to be involved

In the future I plan to put up a better web site
In the meantime I have just posted some interesting
archival material from Bob Nelson's collection
including some old posters of folk music events in Seattle
There's much more to put up as things get sorted out.

Go to Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
and click on Historical Archives

Cheers, S. in Seattle

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:21 AM

These posters really bring back some memories of what a vibrant and exciting place Seattle was in the 50's and 60's. Starting with the sponsorship of the Pacific Northwest Folklore Society in 1953, we had everyone who was anyone come through town: Pete Seeger, Sonny Terry, Guy Carawan, Walt Robertson, Bob Gobson, Bob Camp, Jesse Fuller, Roy Guest, on and on! These traveling "giants" would stay in town for several days and the hoots were awesome. They all had a strong influence on us "locals." Such times! CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 08:15 PM

The web site
Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
has just been updated
with some old posters on
Historical Archives
and some mp3 files on
MP3 Files

This is a project "in progress"
so stay tuned for more

Cheers, S. in Seattle

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 08:22 PM

The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society is sponsoring two concerts coming up soon.

Sunday, October 14
DON FIRTH & BOB NELSON IN CONCERT AGAIN. Don and Bob first met in 1953, and over the years have performed at many coffee houses, nightclubs, and concerts in Seattle and San Francisco. And most of all ... they remain loyal friends! Come for an afternoon of folk songs and stories. Central Lutheran Church, 1710 11th Ave, Seattle. 2pm, $10, kids half price. Info/reservations: stolaf.edu/people/hend/bobnelson.html

Sunday, October 21
JEFF WARNER HOUSE CONCERT. North Seattle (Broadview Neighborhood). Jeff Warner, an award-winning folklorist from Portsmouth, NH, presents a program of music, songs and stories. The concert will be followed by a potluck supper and a 'hoot' (bring instruments). 3pm, $10 suggested donation. Info/reservations: jeffwarner.com, stolaf.edu/people/hend/jeffwarner.pdf

Cheers, S. in Seattle

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: mg
Date: 08 Oct 07 - 09:10 PM

Wonderful..

Could you provide a mention of something at Ft. Columbia on October 27 (This is in Chinook, not Ilwaco as previously stated). A day of maritime music, led by Hank Cramer and friends. Various workshops on sea shanties, maritime history, etc. In the evening at 7:30 there will be a concert in the Maritime Museum in Astoria. At least the Ft. Columbia day event ( approximately 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.) will be free. For more information contact [e-mail].

And feel free to put any of my songs up there if you would like..mg

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 12:13 AM

Those posters and menus are a lot of fun.

Funny story on myself--I remember Dad talking about a place where they used to sing. As a kid I thought the name was "Palmer" House. I think I just saw it in print for the first time this evening and made the connection. :)

(Pamir)

SRS

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 05:26 AM

Maggie, it's knickname was "The Pee House!" Bob

Subject: RE: Pacific Northwest Folklore Society
From: Stewart
Date: 09 Oct 07 - 03:12 PM

Mary,

I put up an announcement of the
Maritime Music Workshop on Saturday, October 27th
at Fort Columbia State Park
on the EVENTS page

Also, I put up two of your songs as mp3 files
Oystershell Road, and The Rivers of Washington
on the MP3 Files page

Cheers, S. in Seattle