BS: Bush's Speech II

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Speech II
From: kendall
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 11:13 AM

GOOD

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Speech II
From: GUEST,Greenspan
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 12:58 PM

I wouldn't be to hasty to call Canadian health care free considering how badly you get reamed with taxes to pay for said health care.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Speech II
From: kendall
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 01:02 PM

I've heard a few Canadians complail about the health care, but, try and take it away! Is it really that expensive when compared to the cost here?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Speech II
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 09:38 PM

This thread points the necessity of preserving the secular aspect of the Constitution...the separation of church and state. We see the need for this now when the Taliban represents the religious fervor in the extreme.

Religion must be separated from the religious experience as Jung has pointed out. We have an inalienable right to a religious experience but no right to cram our religious beliefs down another's throat. This is what wars are made of and the truth that the Taliban forces us to see.

Fortunately we are not just a Christian, or a Jewish, or a Hindu or Muslim nation....regardless of what some would have us believe. Those who believe otherwise are as the Taliban, theocrats who alienate all others who do not believe their way.

Yet we are entitled to our worship as Americans as long as we keep separate our government from any theocracy. Thomas Jefferson recognized this. That's why he was a Unitarian. They believe in separation of church and state.

The Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, extremist Shi'ites, Sunnis or those who advocate violence in the name of God as well as our own theocrats are antithetical to every American ideal.

This is a conflict over religion. The basis of almost every war. In Germany, Nazism was a kind of religion. It employed violence directed at a different religious group. The Irish "troubles" are about religion. Communisim as practiced under Stalin assumed a guise of religion and employed violence toward religous groups as they do today in China.

Mr. Bush should be very careful about trying to theocratize the government by too many "Christian" references.

In short, God bless the separation of church and state. Amen.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Speech II
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 01 - 11:58 PM

He's be better advised to start a world wide whispering campaign to promote the notion that separating church from state could save Islam from the capitalist influences of the West!!

Then they could get busy cleaning up their infrastructure and economy and have enough opportunity that terrorism would no longer appear attractive.

For all the religous overlays, these fights are, as always, about money, acclaim, admiration, peer approval, power, and getting laid.

The religous overlays just act as a sort of lubricant or justification. The commodity exchange is "We'll give you all the rationalizations and pre-packaged thoughts you need, so you won't have to think for yourself. That way you can never be wrong! In exchange, you give us total power over your lives. Deal????"

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