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Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell From: JohnInKansas Date: 18 Dec 10 - 07:38 PM As reported in the news, the Senate bill that just passed includes a requirement that implementation cannot begin until the Secretary of Defence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff certify that there's "no problem," so there's still the possibility of significant foot dragging, if not obstruction. It appears that the appropriate key offices have endorsed removal of the old policy, but it remains to see, in complete form, what the new policy really will be; and I'd hate to see existing affected people "out" themselves prematurely and get hit with "minor conditions, exclusions, and special considerations" in the policy that eventually results. Been in the military, and worked with them from the outside for a long time, so I think I'll suggest cautious optimism until the feathers settle. A discreet smile seems justified at this point, although for now all we have is the beginning of the end of it. Long overdue. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell From: mauvepink Date: 18 Dec 10 - 07:51 PM How the BBC is reporting it in the UK Fingers crossed! mp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Dec 10 - 10:31 PM Ask what??? You mean is someone immoral enough to shoot another human to death, and still likes it up the ass? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 18 Dec 10 - 11:02 PM so glad we are over this! Wish for headlines- american gays mob recruiting stations trying to server their country go for it glad to have you so glad that we are now united corporal klinger is obsolete Conrad |
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Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell From: artbrooks Date: 19 Dec 10 - 01:57 AM I remember my father talking about the first Black replacements assigned to his battery in Korea in 1952, and how his first sergeant felt it necessary to beat the crap out of them so that they would "know their place". That was two - or maybe three - generations ago. I expect that the people who will have problems with this will be a very small number of senior enlisted people (sergeants), as well as those who have trouble with anyone who isn't exactly like them. Ten years from now, we will all wonder...what was the big deal all about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell From: JohnInKansas Date: 19 Dec 10 - 06:00 AM Hooray - it's all over .................(?) Pentagon: Lifting gay ban to take time Defense Secretary Gates vows immediate action to implement change NBC News and news services updated 12/18/2010 7:21:56 PM ET WASHINGTON — "Don't ask, don't tell" will remain military policy awhile longer despite a historic Senate vote on Saturday to overturn it. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Saturday he welcomed final congressional passage of the Pentagon policy's repeal but it will take time to implement. "Once this legislation is signed into law by the president, the Department of Defense will immediately proceed with the planning necessary to carry out this change carefully and methodically, but purposefully," Gates said in a statement obtained by NBC News. Leading the effort will be Dr. Clifford Stanley, Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness and a retired Marine Corps major general and infantry officer, Gates said. The legislation says the president and his top military advisers must certify that lifting the ban won't hurt troops' fighting ability. New policies and regulations must be "consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention of the Armed Forces," Gates said. After certification, there's a 60-day waiting period for the military. "As I have stated before, I will approach this process deliberately and will make such certification only after careful consultation with the military service chiefs and our combatant commanders and when I am satisfied that those conditions have been met for all the Services, commands and units," Gates said. Meanwhile, he told troops, current law and policy will remain in effect. "Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force," he said. Under the expected procedure, the Defense Department will conduct servicewide training and education for all active duty, reserve and national guard forces, and make whatever adjustments in procedures and facilities are necessary, NBC News said. A servicewide memo will be sent instructing any gay or lesbian service members not to openly declare their sexual orientation because they could potentially be subject to separation from the military, NBC News said. [Sounds a lot like business as usual to me(?)] John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell From: alanabit Date: 19 Dec 10 - 06:10 AM I just read a headline from a German newspaper, which told me that "US Soldiers are now allowed to be gay". That is wonderful, is it not? From now on US service personnel will be able to decide which sort of sexuality nature predestined them to? Shucks, I'm getting all confused... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Don't ask don't tell From: GUEST,mauvepink Date: 19 Dec 10 - 07:45 AM "As I have stated before, I will approach this process deliberately and will make such certification only after careful consultation with the military service chiefs and our combatant commanders and when I am satisfied that those conditions have been met for all the Services, commands and units," Gates said. They could have done all that while they have been waiting for this to come about. Procrastination will not only be the thief of time here I fear. As an aside I am still totally perplexed by how so many people still see someone's sexuality as their business. This facination with anal sex seems to be a product of other's sexual imaginations as a great many gay men never take part in 'taking it up the ass' as is so often quoted. Such comments also deny that gay women are also part of our military services and it is tantamount to singling out one facet of a whole diverse set of behaviours that humans express. As John Steinbeck writes in "Cannery Row"... "The remarkable thing," said Doc, "isn't that they [stinkbugs] put their tails up in the air: the really incredibly remarkable thing is that we find it remarkable. We can only use ourselves as yardsticks my brackets. I will not go into the morality of wars and killing people here. That is way too way too far a jump for this thread. Like not all gay men take part in anal sex, not all servicemen/women kill. But I will say this. If people can kill other men and women, they sure as heck should be allowed to love them too! Back on Cannery row... "He can kill anything for need but he could not even hurt a feeling for pleasure." Just some thoughts mp
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