BS: £3 paid?

Subject: RE: BS: £3 paid?
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 03:56 AM

There have been numerous civilisations Mr Bridge - equality featured in none of them.

We are all supposedly equal in the eyes of God (Kinda difficult to prove)
We are all supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law, but that is a myth as you get precisely what "law" you can afford to pay for.

Subject: RE: BS: £3 paid?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 03:59 AM

Social Status.

When I was young, differentials in wages or living standards were nothing like the obscene scale we see today, Doctors, Public Service people, Teachers, Ministers, were paid only slightly more than labourers, but their status in society was higher.
Status could be obtained without further education, but depending on how each individual contributed to the wellbeing of society.

My Uncle had no education other than primary schooling, yet he was renowned as an exceptionally hard worker, a friend and helper to all, and most importantly a enthusiastic contributor to the weekly village concerts, which were the hub of our social life.
His status was as high as any in the community, and tho' he died in 1980, he is still spoken of warmly by all who know our family.

Subject: RE: BS: £3 paid?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 04:52 AM

Honesty.....I have never voted Tory in my life, but if I truly believed that capitalism could never be overturned, I would vote Conservative at every opportunity.

The "liberal" left are simply in the business of creating a social and bureaucratic madhouse......They are incapable of managing the economic system to any degree whatsoever. The people have illustrated over and over again that they do not want "socialism", especially "socialism" within a capitalist system(turkeys and Christmas)......The power lies in the accumulation of money and "socialism" will certainly make most people poorer financially.

As MrT has illustrated social policies based on "equality" are a special sort of soft left madness, which, if ever they are allowed full rein, will lead to another "Decline and Fall"

Subject: RE: BS: £3 paid?
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 12:57 PM

equality of opportunity, equality under the law - equal rights. may be too idealistic for some but surely an objective worth trying to attain. financial equality i don't think would be possible or desirable, but given the current situation in the west we have to do something to challenge such wild and illegal inequality. if you don't fancy equality - how would a bit more fairness suit you?

Subject: RE: BS: £3 paid?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 01:16 PM

The problem here, achmelvich, is that the main proponent of social inequality bases his arguments on the fact that he believes a whole section of society should be denied the benefits of the majority simply because they were born different. I am in full agreement that many equalities are unachievable but there are those which are easy to resolve and make perfect sense to many. It is the type of fairness that would offer equal opportunity to many who are currently denied it but he would continue to rail against this type of fairness to further his political agenda. Sadly he is a countryman of yours and, knowing that the vast majority of Scots are very fair minded, you have my commiserations on having to put up with such blatant prejudice.

Subject: RE: BS: £3 paid?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 02:26 PM

No, because the choice of leaders is not "diverse" enough.

Subject: RE: BS: £3 paid?
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 06:48 PM

you what?

Subject: RE: BS: £3 paid?
From: GUEST,Musket sickle of his hammer
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 03:00 AM

I've got a flat cap, a greyhound and use black pudding in recipes. I still have my pit tallies (stole them on my last shift..) and they are hung in my study above a safety lamp I bought from an ex copper who stole it from our pit during the strike.

How working sodding class do you want?

Mind you, I also have a T shirt with a picture of Atlee on it, with the words "What would Clem do?"

The candidate hopefuls may wish to lead a party with fluid values and differing aspirations but they also wish to deliver a government. That means attracting votes across the spectrum, and even if they don't but get enough votes anyway, be a government for all.

It kind of gravitates to the middle.

Being "working class" or whatever that means in this, not the previous century is not a key to any ideal. Both UKIP and, in Scotland, SNP claim support "of the working classes." One party would have us leave The EU regardless and the other bases their whole message on remaining part of Europe. One party decries The NHS and social equality, the other bases its manifesto on it.

What is clear is that votes, whether internal to a party or in general elections and referendums are based on the opinion of the voter, regardless of their situation or grasp of the issues.

Reading some of the usual suspects on here, I'm seeing how democracy is the best system only because nobody can think of anything better.

Anyway, I decided to come out of retirement through boredom and start a new job next week. Looks like I'm a worker again. Where's my moleskin trousers?

Subject: RE: BS: £3 paid?
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 07:03 PM

why care about (exactly) wot class you are? everyone you meet will be a wee bit more middle or working class than you. it really does not matter. what matters is good intent and compassion