BS: Prez al-Obama

Subject: BS: Prez al-Obama..... (:-( ))=
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 08:36 AM

What do you think of him and the job he's done???
I wanted to like him although I never voted for him.
But giving illegal immigrants amnesty and bailing out the bankers (welfare for the wealthy) has turned me against him.
Just another lying politician.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama..... (:-( ))=
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 09:02 AM

Troll Alert.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama..... (:-( ))=
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 09:43 AM

Namecalling again Greg. Anyone who doesn't share your tunnelvision is a Troll. Have I called you names? Nope. I could call you a bigot and a petulant brat. But I don't. Because I don't namecall. It's the tactic of a weak mind.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama..... (:-( ))=
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 10:06 AM

While I'm disappointed in many of the things he has done, I recognize that those represented choices between two evils... The bank bailout, BTW, will make the US taxpayers money in the long run because they were loans which are being repaid *with interest*... As for the two year moratorium on deporting younger immigrants (25 years and under) I have no problem with that because the criteria is reasonable... They have to have been in the US for a minimum number of years, be in school, working legally or in the military... There's nothin' unreasonable about this... A lot of these kids don't even speak Spainish and are fully Americanized... I think it would be cruel to send them to what to them is a foreign country...

I'd give Obama a solid "B"... He's held up under the most harsh resistance by an opposition party since Abraham Lincoln and we all know how that turned out...

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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama..... (:-( ))=
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 10:10 AM

You think the amnesty is going to stop with that? It's only just begun.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama..... (:-( ))=
From: Musket
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 10:27 AM

But forgive me if I am wrong, being British and not part of your election, (although I do pay taxes in The USA and have right of residency, so perhaps a small interest in the outcome,)

You only have one candidate to vote for, don't you? And that's Obama.

Surely, at least 51% of the population have heard of the declaration of independence, so won't vote for a theocracy?

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama..... (:-( ))=
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 10:27 AM

It's not amnesty, Krinkle... That is Republican mythology (spin)... It's a two year program... Period... You need to be better informed...

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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama..... (:-( ))=
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 10:48 AM

Quite honestly, I'll PROBABLY vote for Obama because he seems the lesser of two evils.

Someday I'd like to vote FOR someone because they are truly the best leader, not simply the lesser of two evils.

Maybe I'll vote for Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama..... (:-( ))=
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 10:49 AM

By the way, you made your trolling obvious in the thread title.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama.....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 11:05 AM

Yeah, I'd call it a "lesser of two evils" choice to vote for Obama. This is what we usually get to do in Canada too, is unenthusiastically vote for a lesser of 3 or more evils. The political parties, as far as I'm concerned, have long ago sold out to dominating corporate/financial/bankster interests that serve the richest 1 or 2% of the populace, and it is laughable to think that they represent the general public in any honest or responsible fashion. The bank bailout was an outrage that should have been followed by something like the Nuremberg trials...and that goes for America's foreign wars of choice as well.

That said, the Republican Party is so far out of touch with reality that voting for them amounts to an act of madness. I consider Obama a disaster (and a terrible disappointment, because I had great hopes for him back in '08). I would consider Romney worse than a disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama.....
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 11:07 AM

Reasonable people know that Obama's first two years were completely tied up with rescuing many parts of the economy from the ill-conceived policies and practices of the Bush administration. Since then it has been an uphill battle to pass legislation with the do-nothing House of Representatives controlled by Republicans. The short-term memory of those complaining the loudest is evident. Critical thinking skills are required to see past the pig-like squeals of the over-fed GOP politicians who want to keep shoveling money at the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class. If you think that's fair, then you deserve what you get if the GOP win in November.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama.....
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 11:35 AM

I'd rather vote for a decent man than for a rich one. Obama is the sole candidate of reason, warts and all.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama.....
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 11:40 AM

I am a bit of a hard grader. My college students would say that all the time. I would give him a C bobster. However, that is leaps and bounds ahead of what we had before him. So far I am less than impressed with either candidate to tell you the truth. Where is Bill Clinton when we need him .. come on back , ok, ok that two term thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama.....
From: Elmore
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 11:46 AM

Economics aside,because I don't think either candidate can solve the unemployment problem in the short term, there are a whole host of social issues which make it impossible for me to vote for Willard Rmoney and Eddie Munster.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 11:54 AM

It's the tactic of a weak mind.

Or, Krink, and particularly in this case, its a simple statement of truth.

I don't call you a bigot and an asshole becauise I don't need to - its patently obvious to any sentient being from what you've posted.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 11:59 AM

In a system so badly broken, this is probably the least Tweedle Dee/Dum election in many years. This is also the first time in a long time that the Democratic party is getting down and dirty to match the GOP where that is business as usual.

This election cycle makes me want a 6 year Presidential term and although you can serve more than one, they cannot be consecutive. Follow that with limiting the money spent and doing away with the Super Pacs might fix things a bit. Hell, I don't know.

What I do know is that I lived through one President who was secretive and said "Trust Me." He was a lying sack of shit. If Romney won't disclose tax returns, just how transparent is he going to be as President? There are certainly times every President needs to keep secrets but you need to be able to trust the person. Romney is not to be trusted.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama.....
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:00 PM

But Slick Willie unshackled the banks and let them run amok. And Slick Willie gave his cokehead brother a pardon for a felony conviction. And locked up as many pot smokers as he could.
Who will Prez al-Obama pardon? All the potheads Clinton locked up? I think Roseanne Barr is the best candidate. I think she knows more about grinding poverty than most people.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: MarkS
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:03 PM

Rather than vote for the lesser of two evils, I would be inclined to make a protest vote to some third party candidate or skip the presidential line and just vote in the local elections.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:11 PM

Roseanne Barr.
In my local elections I always write-in An Illegal Alien.One day my candidate will win.
And you've cursed me and called me names in the past, Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:13 PM

Yea but slick willy as you say gave us a surplus instead of crushing debt and no wars ... hmmmmm


anyway, gotta agree with my brother Spaw ... I may just pass this time around. I can't take any more shit slinging and this is what it is turning out to be in this election ... like Spaw a 6 year term would be a welcome change ... a lot easier on the taxpayers wallet also. But what would the big Pacs do then ...or the big corps .. They may have to spend their money on their employees or discount their products ... Oh the humanity

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:16 PM

The Green Party.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:21 PM

Name-calling is a childish tactic, turning the conversation into a farce. Your use of "el-Obama" and "slick Willie" shows that you have no intent to actually discuss the topics, you are just a troll.

Don't feed the trolls.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:27 PM

I have a special diet for trolls. It's called reason.... they smell it carefully and run the other way.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:40 PM

Let's hear some reason. Where's all that Change We Can Believe In? Buried in the couch cushions? He's just another lying lawyer. Jimmy Carter was the only Prez you could trust. And Greg is the big namecaller around here. Don't like my thread? Don't post to it.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:46 PM

"Don't like my thread? Don't post to it."

That is a reasonable solution to the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:56 PM

Something's not right- I find myself with Bobert on this one.

I was Republican conservative before moving to Canada; the current leaders of that party will only increase the discord in the U.S.

(No point in commenting on the remarks by troll Klinkle)

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 12:59 PM

Call me a troll because I think Obama is unfit and full of himself. I wanted to like him.. I really did. I don't care about gay marriage. Not an issue with me. But I think he's ineffective and ignorant. Keeping Bush's cronies on was a recipe for disaster. I'm glad he ended the Iraq fiasco. Good thing. But people are still dying in Afghanistan and Wall Street was rewarded for screwing up the economy.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 01:08 PM

Call you a troll because of your lack of good conversational skills. If you really want a serious discussion you don't start with name calling and hot-button titles. It's a simple distinction.

You're naive if you think Obama wanted the war in Afghanistan to continue, or to reward the corrupt banks. There is an uphill battle against the GOP in the House and a Senate with just enough Blue Dog Democrats to work against their own best interests.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 01:17 PM

I am also tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. Why not vote for the greater of two evils? That way, if he wins, "Yay,my guy won!" and if he loses, "The better candidate won."

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: kendall
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 01:18 PM

The last one I voted FOR was Eisenhower.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 01:28 PM

I liked Jimmy Carter. He is a good man.
Ike warned of the Military Industrial Complex. I think he was a good man too. Even though I hate all things Republican. He saw men dying on the battlefield. Bush was a showoff, braggart and coward. Obama is in over his head.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 02:45 PM

And Greg is the one that namecalls. He calls me a jackass, bigot, asshole, troll. I don't namecall. And I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinski.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 04:26 PM

Point of fact-
THe bank bailout was done under Bush, not Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 04:44 PM

The title of this thread is ignorant, insidious and slime-brained.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 05:20 PM

The PBS documentary I watched put Prez al-Obama in the drivers seat during the bailout. It all collapsed just before Bush scurried off. Obama was left holding the bag. He should have leaned back in his recliner and told Wall Street that they screwed themselves up and they could just go unscrew themselves. No government help. Instead he cowered and gave them what they wanted. I'm glad he got Osama. I think Bush knew where he was all along. I don't hate him. I don't think he's qualified though. I'm glad you like it Amos. How's Andy? Opie? Aunt Bea? Otis?Barney? Goober? Floyd? Thelma Lou? Helen?
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 05:27 PM

Just to set the record straight again, Krinkle... Glass-Steagal's demise ain't on Clinton... The campaign was pushed by Citi-bank and it's Republican puppets in Congress...

I mean no disrespect, man, but before you click "submit" a quick read thru Google will make you seem less, ahhhh, propagandized... I mean, there is a point when someone has made so many erroneous statements that they don't have any credibility here...

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Thanks, Rap, for your support but I'm not sure that the country needs a president who rips continues Michelle's garden but sprinkles in a little weed between the tomatoes and peppers...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 05:38 PM

I keep reading here that the Dems and Repugs are two sides of the same coin. Screw the little guy and make the fatcats fatter. And I agree. In the PBS documentary it showed Clinton repealing Glass Steagall. Showed him doing it on camera.
I say vote for Roseanne Barr.Or maybe Angela Davis can run again.Our first negro woman prez.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 05:53 PM

The title of this thread is ignorant, insidious and slime-brained.

Consider the source. What did you expect?

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 05:59 PM

There you go again Greg. Didn't your mum tell you that if you didn't have anything nice to say to keep your mouth shut? You should listen to her more. I think you need a time out. Go sit in a closet somewhere and count to one thousand.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Elmore
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 11:35 PM

Krinkle: rinkle: I repeat; How canwe miss you if you won't go away? Don't care if it's your thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 12:00 AM

Obviously Krinkle is just winding, y'all up. He's doing a pretty good job on Greg F.

He uses a lot of Republican cliches, so I wouldn't waste my time trying to engage him on this particular topic. One who paraphrases Ronald Reagan is immune to reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 01:43 AM

You'll have to forgive Krinkle and cut him a little slack.

He's trying to get in touch with his inner redneck.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 04:17 AM

Actually, I hated Ronald Reagan with a passion. He put on a good show because he was a hammy old Hollywood actor. But he hated the working man. A former union boss who's agenda was union busting. They were going to tear that wall down regardless of him. He took advantage of the situation. I knew when he was elected we were entering a Dark Age of selfishness and hate. Now tell me,WHAT HAS PREZ AL-OBAMA DONE FOR YOU???        I told you I don't hate him. I just think he's incompetent.
Roseanne is my candidate of choice.. Romney is just another rich boy like Bush. He'll do what the old repugnicans tell him to.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 06:09 AM

Apparently this is one of those forums where everyone must be of the same mind or there cursed and namecalled. You don't think much of anyone who has different opinions. I suppose you'd like a Totalitarian Dictatorship with yourself calling all the shots. I was hoping we could disagree on topics and still remain friendly. You're folkies like Lee Atwater was a bluesman.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: bobad
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 08:09 AM

Vote Romney 2012

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 08:16 AM

I told you I hate all things Repugnican.
Vote for Roseanne Barr.
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 10:19 AM

And Bobert, when was the last time the U.S. Government made money for the taxpayer?.........(taps foot)........I'm waiting..............
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Subject: RE: BS: Prez Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 10:21 AM

I like his tie, bobad. (I don't thin HK looked at your links.)

Here's Roseanne Barr's page. I like her, but my vote counts little anyway and I don't see any reason to throw it away making a statement that only I will hear.

I'm still planning on voting for Obama. The people who thin he's the "lesser of two evils" ... I can't see how they can mean evil. The problem is that we want perfect candidates. Obama got the "rock star" treatment last time around, by worshipful hordes of people that thought he could do no wrong. They see he isn't perfect, and equate that to him having betrayed them. He also has to work with some REAL anti-Americans in Congress. If justice prevails, some of those folks will be out.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez al-Obama
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 10:24 AM

Henry--it's not your content that people disagree with, sir; it is the incivil and undisciplined style in which you present it, which is egregious, ill-mannered, unthinking and malformed. If you were to learn the rudiments of fair discourse and considerate interchange your ideas would be entertained more seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Prez aj-Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 10:46 AM

Amos, I figure that's him.
The rest of us get to post according to our own standards.