In Search of Nic Jones CD

Subject: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,RP
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 04:54 AM

Heard a copy of this CD over the weekend was knocked out by it.

Have struggled to find one locally (UK) or through the usual online places.

Any help for a UK supplier, where I can pay by card would be appreciated. thanks!

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Ian Hendrie
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 05:05 AM

Itr can be bought from the Nic Jones web-site .

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 05:06 AM

You could try here on Nic's official site, where you'll find details of all his other stuff which is currently available.
This is the place

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 05:06 AM

Oh well - just one minute too late [grins]

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 05:10 AM

also available from fish records where you can pay electronically.

It is a great disc, probably the best of the self released material of the past 10 years.

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 06:00 AM

(Memo to Self.....Write before posting!)

Ahem.....May I put in a mention for the second re-issue "Unearthed"?
A double CD, released a few years after "In Search Of"
Not that I have any vested interest, Honest Guv!
Seriously, contact Nic and Julia at there website listed above.
Julia will sort out all your requests, Oh,
And there is also the Topic retrospective released last year....
Hope you've got a good credit limit!!!!

Good luck and enjoy

Ralphie

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: pavane
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 07:39 AM

Hey Ralphie, I have been trying to PM you, but I suppose as you are posting as guest, you can't log in.

Could you drop me an email maybe? You can do this by going to my site www.greenhedges.com and clicking on email. (This way I don't have to let my email address escape to the world)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,HipflaskAndy
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 08:46 AM

I'll second the 'Unearthed' plug. It's grand.

Fish distribute for Nic & Julia.... by all means buy electronically via them - but I'd venture you might buy direct from Nic & Julia's own Mollie Music via the links given above (to Nic's website).
They'll make more from that transaction!
- and phoning or ordering by letter won't take that much longer.
Cheers - HFA - (Duncan McFarlane)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,RP
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 09:52 AM

Thanks for all the help.
Have ordered for fish records, and already had a note saying it has shipped, so hopefully will have a copy tomorrow.
Thanks again

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 11:11 AM

purchase directly from Nic and Julia, and cut out the middle man, as has been noted they'll make more money that way

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: KeithofChester
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 11:49 AM

Mollie Music aren't helping themselves take direct orders by insisting on being paid by paper payments methods like cheques.
Almost every other seller now has electronic payment facilities of some sort.

My assumption has always been that when people make it much easier to buy from the likes of Fish (who are VERY reliable) that's the way to go.

Amazon are temporarily out of stock, but one of their merchants is trying to flog a second hand copy for GBP54!

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 12:08 PM

"Amazon are temporarily out of stock, but one of their merchants is trying to flog a second hand copy for GBP54!"

Another VERY good reason, if you need one, not to buy from Amazon.

Charlotte (buys directly from the musician or musicians, where possible)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 12:22 PM

Or you could order it (along with the other 5 Nic Jones CDs) rrom CAMSCO

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 12:40 PM

the other 5 Nic Jones CDs (CDs??) from Camsco

I think not.

The only recordings authorised by the artist himself and for which he receives royalties are the two Mollie releases (In Search of / Unearthed) and the two Topic ones (Penguin Eggs / Game Set Match, all available direct from Mollie who, no, don't have an electronic online purchasing facility but perhaps cannot, for obvious reasons, afford to run one.

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 02:12 PM

"the other 5 Nic Jones CDs (CDs??) from Camsco

the same thought occurred to me while I was out of the house as has occurred to Diane. I remembered reading the Camsco entry earlier on, but it didn't strike me as odd until I was at the shops...having remembered the trouble there is with Nic's Leader recordings in the UK.

I think I'll ordering any CDs by Nic Jones directly from Nic and Julia at Mollie Music and, as I earlier stated, avoid the middle man.....

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Doc John
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 05:40 PM

Why don't Nic & Julia Jones set up electronic payment to make it easier for customers? was wondered above. It is very expensive to do so especially with a relatively low turnover. Paypal may be more reasonable but I don't know the details of this; perhaps someone does.
Please always think about buying from Mollie Music first: they charming and very efficient!
Doc John

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 06:22 PM

if you visit my website,I have a shop with pay pal,it is in my opinion really important,and its not expensive to set up.http://www.dickmiles.com

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: BusyBee Paul
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 06:36 PM

The really nice thing about buying from Nic and Julia was that they took the time to write in reply to the letter I'd sent them with my cheque. Now that to me was beyond price and in this instance at least knocked Paypal out of the frame.

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 06:56 PM

To echo Dianes thoughts.
The only sanctioned releases by Nic and His family are.
Penguin Eggs and Game Set Match (Topic Records)
In Search Of and Unearthed (Mollie Music)
The Others.....
Ballad and Songs
Nic Jones
Noahs Ark Trap
Devil To A Stranger

Are NOT, repeat NOT sanctioned for release due to a very long lasting rights issue, (see the thousands of threads on that one!)

As has been said, All the available records can be obtained either directly from Nic and Julia (And Hey, what price for a letter from the family itself?) or from Fish records in the UK.

I personally think that it's quite refreshing to actually write a cheque and go down to the post office to send it!!

Hope the above helps to clarify the situation.

Ralphie

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 11:01 AM

Ralphie,I am glad to hear someomes keeping the postmen employed.
I am fairly sure that I would sell less items on my website if I didnt use paypal.
I think Nic and Julia would be well advised to give it consideration,in my experience it increases sales.Dick Miles

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 11:26 AM

this thread is about Nic Jones and the access to his recordings isn't it...?

"Why don't Nic & Julia Jones set up electronic payment to make it easier for customers?"

the answer to that was in Diane's posting 28 Feb 08 - 12:40 PM

"Mollie who, no, don't have an electronic online purchasing facility but perhaps cannot, for obvious reasons, afford to run one."

it's not like we're all made of money.

Charlotte (setting the record straight)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Andy, Port Erin, I-O-M
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 11:43 AM

Probably best to avoid a seller at SE306553 (an OS Grid reference!)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 11:47 AM

"Probably best to avoid a seller at SE306553 (an OS Grid reference!)"

Agreed Andy. I made a veiled reference that same co-ordinate in my
28 Feb 08 - 02:12 PM posting

Charlotte (buys directly when possible)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Doc John
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 04:41 PM

That grid reference? After Watergate, why do we add ...gate onto everything theses day?!
Doc John

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 04:47 PM

Because the name of the place, in this case, ends in gate.....?*LOL*

Charlotte (not deep throat)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 05:12 PM

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice - PM
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 11:26 AM

..."it's not like we're all made of money" ...

Charlotte (setting the record straight)

I'm not made of money either, but I have a Paypal account which I use both to buy and sell.

It seems to me that Nic could use some friends who might actually help instead of hinder.

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: HipflaskAndy
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 07:34 AM

I know their situation, personally.
It is not a simple a matter of finance.
Julia runs Mollie from a spare room in their house.
She is (by her own admission) not too great at using the PC.
They do, indeed, need someone to aid them in setting up PayPal,
I do know they'd like to have that facility.
Anyone that's a dab hand on the computer front (in the Devon area)
might care to email her (via Mollie site) and volunteer to set them up. I'm sure they'd appreciate that.
Cheers - Duncan McFarlane

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: KeithofChester
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 07:43 AM

It is all explained here.

Getting Paid via PayPal

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 11:48 AM

Duncan , many thanks for clarifying the situation, it's too bad I'm no where near the area (about 5000 miles no where near), I'd volunteer immediately it I was.

And I'm interested in Nic and Julia's situation, not the situation of other musicians. Thank You

Charlotte (this view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 01:43 PM

These are the Nic Jones CD's available at Nic's official website, as previously mentioned by Diane:

In Search Of Nic Jones MMCD01 £12.00

Unearthed MMCD02/03 £17.00

Penguin Eggs TSCD411 £11.00

Game Set Match TSCD566 £13.00

Now, perhaps someone can explain to me where this, found on Camsco Music's website, fits in to the picture

"LER 2014d Ballads and Songs Nic Jones "
(I believe I already know the answer, I just want to hear it from someone else)


the original Leader/Trailer catalogue number is LER 014
Ballads and Songs was relesed on the Tailer yellow label in 1970

information sourced from the
Musical Traditions Traditional Discography

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 02:11 PM

in my hurry to post the previous message I misspelled Trailer and released, as you may have noticed *LOL*

Charlotte (spell check isn't working)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:16 PM

Both "Ballads and Songs" and the eponymous "Nic Jones" are on the Leader label. the number 2014 designates the CD-R release of the LP 014.

CAMSCO's prices are:
Game, Set, Match: $13.98
Penguin Eggs: $13.98
Ballads and Songs $18.00
Nic Jones: $18.00
In Search Of: $18.00
Unearthed: $25.00

All prices in US dollars plus S&H

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:30 PM

Nic Jones official website trumps Camsco everytime..and, of course Nic and Julia get the money, thus cutting out the middle man...or shouold I say, middle men....

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 04:38 PM

Mollie Music Mail Order

Mollie Music,
PO Box 189,
Yelverton,
Devon.
UK
PL19 1BA

Charlotte (this view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Barry Finn
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 05:43 PM

I put paypal on my website. It was quite difficult for someone like me who has very little computer savy & who does well with blueprints but not with written directions. It took me a number of times & many days to work through it even with the directions & advice. If Julia's worst than me with computers then I'd imagine it's a nightmare for her, maybe a computer savy friend could help her in setting it up?

Barry

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Anne Lister
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 03:45 AM

The beauty of PayPal is you don't have to have it on your website as a separate button, you just have to offer the possibility of it and people can do it all via email. I'm speaking from experience here - I haven't got around to putting the PayPal "button" on my website yet, but I've sold a number of CDs from my website using PayPal. It just means instead of completing an order form and putting it in the post with a cheque people send you an email, verify your PayPal email address and bob's your uncle.
As cheques are being phased out, it's probably a good way to go if operating a credit card system is too expensive.

Anne

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: HipflaskAndy
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 05:21 AM

You've put it succinctly Barry - that's exactly what I was meaning.
I didn't manage to sort paypal on our own site, had to get a mate that's real PC savvy to set it up for me (which he did with ease!
I was hoping someone (near enough) might volunteer to do the same for the Jones.

And thanks Tabster-Anne, interesting. Wasn't aware of that (me being a partial PC numpty).
Perhaps you could send Julia the 'know how' by post or email in a step by step form? Bless ya. - Duncan

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: KeithofChester
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 05:35 AM

I've bought things from a number of people doing it the way Tabster is talking about.

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Anne Lister
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 02:24 AM

Duncan, if you can pm me with Julia's email I'd be happy to help.

Anne

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: HipflaskAndy
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 04:50 AM

Have done so, Anne - thanks - Duncan

PS Anyone else needing to contact the Jonses - to buy or make enquiries
- the email address is there for all to view at Mollie Music website
- someone has already done the blue clicky link a wee bit further up this thread. Cheers!

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 04:52 AM

"the original Leader/Trailer catalogue number is LER 014
Ballads and Songs was relesed on the Tailer yellow label in 1970

information sourced from the
Musical Traditions Traditional Discography"

Hi MCA

Just for the sake of accuracy the original cat no of the vinyl was LER2014.

It's explained on the mustrad website but can be bit confusing. The Leader/Trailer releases initially followed a 4 digit numerical pattern where the first digit was 2.3 or 4 depending on price and the next 3 digits followed a numerical sequence 001, 002 etc. In order to show the list in a numerical sequence mustrad has the initial digit in white which hardly shows up against the background but can be seen if text is highlighted.

Of course none of that information helps Nic or the other people whose L/T releases are lost, hidden, not available etc.

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 03:28 PM

I got mine, as many as I have direct from Julia.
No problems whatsoever, shipped to Canada.
JohnB who for some reason does not have "Game Set and Match", must correct that situation, WITH A CHEQUE.

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 03:48 PM

Kevin, I re-read Mustrad and got it right.

"Of course none of that information helps Nic or the other people whose L/T releases are lost, hidden, not available etc."

nor is it constructive in any way that CD-Rs of Nic's work are being distributed.

Charlotte (fair is fair)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 06:14 PM

Steve Turner sang Ruins by the Shore this evening (with all due acknowledgments, of course), when he guested at the Herga Folk Club.

Kitty

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 08:15 PM

"nor is it constructive in any way that CD-Rs of Nic's work are being distributed."

Why not?

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: pavane
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 03:06 AM

I didn't find any difficulty in setting up Paypal (But not many people have used it!)

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: HipflaskAndy
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 05:15 AM

Dick, the argument is well spread over Mudcat.
You are playing Devil's Advocate, I think?

The two 'camps' will never agree on the rights & morals,
but just to make it emphatically clear from my standpoint....

Your company (well, I take it the 'Dick' on the contact page of the said site is you?)
is advertising (one of) the now famous 'disputed' CDRs
I will, therefore, never buy anything from that company.
Furthermore, I will positively encourage any folk fans, friends, anyone I have course to discuss the matter with,
or that are in any audience I stand before at gigs and festivals, by any means I can,
to similarly boycott yours, or any company selling the said CDRs until those items are withdrawn from sale.

You have your policy - I have mine.
Yours (very) sincerly - Duncan McFarlane

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 05:25 AM

Duncan.
I can add no more.
A plague on all the houses of people who retail bogus CDs.
Well said mate.
Ralph Jordan.

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: pavane
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 05:30 AM

Was I right in my previous analysis, that composer's rights and arranger's rights have to be totally independent of the rights to the sound recording? Because there may be third parties involved, who have no contract with the recording company. (i.e once a song is published, it can be recorded by anyone)

If the CDR does not carry the MCPS logo (either on the CD or the insert) or equivalent for the country of production, then there is no guarantee that this legal requirement being observed.

If the CDR DOES carry this logo, then the composer and arranger should be getting appropriate royalties from the MCPS, which would be easy for the owner of the rights to check.

So do they or not? it should be simple to check.

Subject: RE: In Search of Nic Jones CD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 05:36 AM

Duncan.
As a postscript.
It's interesting that the first 2 NJ recordings.
Nic Jones.
Ballads and Songs.
Have been released sneakily as CD-Rs.
But the two famous recordings.
Noahs Ark Trap.
Devil To A Stranger.
Haven't been touched...
I wonder why?
I have to say that if they where released without regard to the family, I would be on the first train north..
Fancy a trip?
Ralph