Tune Req: Tune & Title req for

Subject: Tune & Title-"She pulled off her gowne of greene..
From: GUEST,Neville & Pat
Date: 08 Apr 01 - 10:16 PM

We have these lyrics (from a novel! but apparently real) but no tune or title. We would like both title & tune or at least direction as to where they can be found.

"She pulled off her gowne of greene, And put on ragged attire, And to faire London she would goe, Her true love to inquire. And as she went along the high road, The weather being hot and drye, She sat her downe upon a greene bank, And her true love came riding bye-

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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Apr 01 - 10:31 PM

It's a variant of Child 105, The Bailiffs Daugter of Islington.....not the same as the one in the DT...here it is, if I can get the line breaks worked out....aaarrrggh

THE BAILIFF'S DAUGHTER OF ISLINGTON

1 There was a youthe, and a well-beloved youthe,
And he was a squire's son:
He loved the bayliffe's daughter deare
That lived in Islington.

2 Yet she was coye and would not believe
That he did love her soe,
Noe nor at any time would she
Any countenance to him showe.

3 But when his friends did understand
His fond and foolissh minde,
They sent him up to faire London
An apprentice for to binde.

4 And he had been seven long yeares,
And never his love could see:
"Many a teare have I shed for her sake,
When she little thought of mee."

5 Then all the maids of Islington
Went forth to sporte and playe,
All but the bailiffe's daughter of Islington;
She secretly stole awaye.

6 She pulled off her gowne of greene,
And put on ragged attire
And to faire London she would go
Her true love to enquire-

7 And as she went along the high road,
The weather being hot and drye,
She sat her downe upon a green bank
And her true love came riding bye.

8 She started up, with colour soe redd,
Catching hold of his bridle-reine;
"One penny, one penny, kind Sir", she said,
"Will ease me of much paine."

9 "Before I give you one penny, sweet-heart,
Praye tell me where you were borne."
"At Islington, kind Sir", sayd shee,
"Where I have had many a scorne."

10 "I prythee, sweet-heart, then tell to mee,
O tell me, whether you knowe
The bayliffe's daughter of Islington."
"She is dead, Sir, long agoe."

11 "If she be dead, then take my horse,
My saddle and bridle also;
For I will into some farr countree
Where noe man shall me knowe."

12 "O staye, o staye, thou goodlye youthe,
She standeth by thy side;
She is here alive, she is not dead
And readye to be thy bride."

13 "O farewell griefe, and welcome joye,
Ten thousand times therefore;
For I have founde mine owne true love,
Whom I thought I should never see more."

(The breaks may not be quite right, but it's in better shape than what I found. I'll put the source in the next post....I'm half afraid of losing this!

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I have moved the position of the numbers and the breaks for the verses so that it makes more sense to me (no single line 1st verse and a 1 line 13th). I hope this is OK, Jon Freeman

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Apr 01 - 10:36 PM

I have no idea what the numbers mean, they don't really look like stanzas, but maybe they are. Here is the source:

http://utenti.tripod.it/Balladven/happyend.html

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Apr 01 - 10:46 PM

oh yea, I sent an e mail......

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 10:43 AM

Don't know if they came and picked them up, but I got a thank you by e mail this AM.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 12:07 PM

Ah, that site.  It could be really useful if it was even slightly formatted, and the stanza numbers in a halfway rational position!  My Italian is very rudimentary indeed, but I can at least say that this is the text published by Bishop Percy in his Reliques; Child didn't use it because it had been "polished up" a bit.  You might like to have a look at the  Bodleian Library Broadside Collection,  where there are several editions of the ballad, in particular this one:

True love requited: or, The bailiff's daughter of Islington  Printed c.1700 for J. Walter, at the Golden Ball in Pye-Corner, London.

Sorcha forgot to mention that there are two tunes in midi format with the Digital Tradition file, here:

The Bailiff's Daughter of Islington

Malcolm

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 04:49 PM

The earliest tune for "The Bailiff's Daughter of Islington" is in 'The Jovial Crew', 1731, and is given as an ABC, B020 in file BM0.HTM on my website. [Mudcat's Links]

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 06:22 PM

40 lashes with a wet noodle, Malcolm, (grin) All I was trying to do was find the "exact" lyrics requested. Hey, I did at least recognize the sucker!!

Sorcha, who is getting better with Child.....so many tunes, so little time!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 09:38 PM

And you did well; it was what they were looking for, after all.  I didn't see your post before Jon modified it, so I don't know what it originally looked like -no criticism of you implied!  I can't understand why he bothered putting up all that material on his site in such a bizarre form, though...

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Apr 01 - 11:07 PM

Yes, it is beyond me too - I'd guess most visitors to the site take one glance and leave - I know I would - crazy really, the time taken to present it in some intelligible format would be considerably less than the time taken to enter all the stuff there.

I guess sorcha deserves a medal for doing something with it - it was quite easy for me to do a little re-arranging from there - a lot easier than it would have been working from that jumble!

Jon

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Sorcha
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 01:17 AM

Ah, come on, guys. I just used the "Edit/Find" button, and then did the best I could considering the numbers and capitals........I goobered up (no, not suprising, considering the page) and Jon fixed it for me. If I had paid more attention to capitals, I might have gotten the breaks better, but I still missed the angle R that closed bold.

This was the first page hit on Google, if I had done another hit, I might have found a begger formatted version. Thanks, Jon, for your help, and both you and Malcolm for your compliments.

Yes, if I weren't a Hard Line researcher looking for something specific, I would have been out of there, LOL! But, I love research, and knowing things and finding things just for the fun of it.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Stewie
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 03:20 AM

Hey Sorcha, if you like finding things for the fun of it. Find me something about William Scanlon, a 19th century Irish ballad singer from Massachusetts who wrote 'Over the Mountain' which Uncle Dave Macon sang. I have looked all over online - Google, Mamma, Intelliseek, Levy, Duke, American Memory, encyclopedias (general and biographical) etc - and came up with zilch. I am beginning to think Charles Wolfe made him up. Help! I haven't been to physical (real) libraries as yet.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Tune & Title req for
From: Snuffy
Date: 10 Apr 01 - 09:21 AM

if you did a View Source you'd find that it was all laid out neatly in lines and verses - but the guy hasn't put any <BR> tags in, so the page just runs together. What should be a blank line between the verses actually contains the verse number