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Subject: Original intent of healing circle From: katlaughing Date: 03 Jan 00 - 11:13 PM Dear Mudcatters, Please use personal messages for healing requests to anyone listed as a willing participant in the original thread. Please read the following, as it was never my intention to be in anyone's face with spirituality. This is from my original posting about a healing circle. I know we all rally round when one of us is in need, but I thought the other day, how nice it might be for some who do not want to go public or for whatever reason, if there were any or all of us who would like to be contact people for a healing circle? what I am trying to say is: how about a list of phoaks who wouldn't mind being contacted personally and/or privately for healing energy or whatever is needed, who can in turn notify others on the list who have some time to devote to specific requests? Thank you for reading this and thank you for NOT turning this into a thread of controversy. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: MamaTamba Date: 04 Jan 00 - 02:54 PM Dear Kat, Being part of a healing enery flow sounds terrific. I do have a couple of questions. I'm a real newbie to the net and even to pc's...so please explain the part about using personal messages. I also have a real consideration about how/who/etc is going to "vet" or forward the requests. As you know, it's pretty easy for bogus or frivolous claims of an energy need to be made. Don't mean to be petty...but that can be really draining instead of replenishing. I'll check in later to catch any replies. Warm fuzzies to you and yours, Joan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: MamaTamba Date: 04 Jan 00 - 02:57 PM P.S. Kat, sorry you've had trouble with what started out as the most lovely of intentions!!! luv, me again
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: MamaTamba Date: 04 Jan 00 - 02:59 PM P.P.S. Now if I could only spell |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Lonesome EJ Date: 04 Jan 00 - 03:51 PM "Don't you let nobody Turn you round-turn you round-turn you round Don't you let nobody turn you round Got to keep on walkin Keep on talkin Marchin to the Freedom Band
Don't you let the Policeman -Steve Miller |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: MamaTamba Date: 04 Jan 00 - 04:16 PM to Lonesome EJ...huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Jon Freeman Date: 04 Jan 00 - 06:33 PM LEJ, that has reminded me of this song:
It's a long long journey from you own home
Turn you round, Turn you round Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Lonesome EJ Date: 04 Jan 00 - 06:42 PM Mamba,...Just a little tune about doing what you think is right, no matter what other people say. Thought I'd make sure there was some music in this thread. LEJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: _gargoyle Date: 04 Jan 00 - 08:48 PM Physician ------------------------
...........................................Heal Thyself!!!
And PLEASE find another forum.........there are Doubtless Others that need thy compassion........and will probably benefit from it....our dear Mr. Catspaw was a unique experience...(I participated and contributed time/money) don't try for a replay....at least not soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: _gargoyle Date: 04 Jan 00 - 08:53 PM Waiting for the "loyal twelve" to step in line:
So far, not even a majority of the "regulars" have backed you on this one.....No doubt, there will be a headcount soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Micca Date: 04 Jan 00 - 09:01 PM Mama Tamba and others, as one of the "originals" in this concept, in that with Kat I sorta helped set it on its way, may I say a few words. 1 the intention as, I understood it, both in postings and other was that there were people occasionally on the threads who mentioned, in passing, distress or illness or personal crises in their lives, and wouldn't it be sheer human kindness for anyone who could contribute healing thoughts or energy, prayers for those that pray, healing energy from those that do not, focussed on those in need. 2 All contributors to the stream needed to do was post there intention, this commitment was enough, If the people then went on to pray, meditate, conduct ritual for healing, or just sit in a quiet place and think of the purpose and the recipient. Then the energy would go to them. 3 I do not understand how someone can be offended by this kind of idea, yet it is clear that some are, so do not take part in it. If you do not like threads dealing with this kind of thing, post a music thread, join another discussion, but a community that is not concerned for its members, and I mean the totality of each individual, not just the Folk Music liking bit, but the whole human being, is a sad, sad bunch. Clearly this place is most definitely in the caring helpful category like that in spite of the desire of some to turn the clock back to the mythical "good old days" 4. I can vouch for its efficiency, as most will know I was rushed in to hospital in the middle of the night in great pain with gall stones, a friend posted to a thread about Healing being needed. And my So brought in the printout to the hospital, even the nurses commented on how improved I was in a couple of hours from reading them. . 5. Mama Tamba, to deal more specifically with your concern about misappropriation of energy, as I understand it, it is impossible to steal energy that is not addressed to you like e-mail it is encoded. If you need a more complete answer go to the top of the page Just under the Mudcat Café title, click on the personal pages, scroll down until you come to the heading marked messages, where it says enter code name of the member you want to send a message type my name and an e-mail form will appear type in hit send and next time I log on to the 'Cat I will get it. .
6 I know there are people here who think that This Forum is corrupted by BS threads and reduced by their presence, (see 3 above for my stance) and one took over 2,000 words (in one of the BS threads) to tell us that they strongly disapprove of what these "newcomers" have done to their "beloved site" Well I think you're wrong and not just wrong but totally wrong, it is not like a classroom where you can not hear the Teacher because of the noise, if anything it's an exam room where in dead silence each person writes there thoughts and you can look (or not ) at each script. . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Bill D Date: 04 Jan 00 - 09:08 PM -gargoyle, leave it alone! She/they are tring to adjust!!!...you don't even know how to tell when you are winning! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: bbelle Date: 04 Jan 00 - 11:44 PM Thank you, Micca, for opening up the can of worms regarding the bs on the mudcat and what you think of it, in an effort to evoke yet another round of argumentative threads. When Kat first posted the thread on the healing circle, I knew exactly what she was saying and she has, again, attempted to explain her motives. She asked that this not turn into a thread of controversy and you have just that. I, too, am guilty for writing this and hope it will stop here. Sorry, Kat, for furthering this thread ... moonchild |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: DonMeixner Date: 05 Jan 00 - 12:02 AM In a time long ago there was a man, To the old lies he would not be bound, So they hung him to a tree, For telling you and me, Don't you let nobody turn you 'round. Jeepers Lonesome, Tom Paxton can turn a phrase. I sang that song for years and then it slowly slipped away. Funny how and why these songs come back to the mind ain't it. Kat, when the smoke clears and its the end of the day. Remember that you are right and if we are all thats left, I'm in your corner on this one. Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: catspaw49 Date: 05 Jan 00 - 12:16 AM Sorry Moon, but since this one's back at the top....Coming back, I wanted to say a lot, but the ashes are what's left and I'll not rekindle the flame. Kat knows how I feel, we talked by phone tonight. Leej, your e-mail came back that I sent to you, but you done good bro.....and thanks Don, you're not alone as you know. Kat will be back. Anything beyond this becomes a tirade. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: katlaughing Date: 05 Jan 00 - 12:19 AM Thanks, Don. I wasn't going to post for a few days, but oh well, what the hell, huh? Moonchild, thank you for your concern, but I feel Micca has every right to say what he wants to in this or any other thread, as does anyone else, esp. since he is a very gifted healer and had very much a hand in starting the original thread. Besides, what he posted is his honest feelings and constructive, whereas one like garg's serves no purpose except to stir the pot. Thank you, kat
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Jon Freeman Date: 05 Jan 00 - 12:37 AM Don and or LEJ, are the verses you quoted from the same song? Don's verse is one I know from the song I quoted but I can't not remember LEJ's words or see them fitting the tune I know. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Lonesome EJ Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:03 AM Jon. I didn't know it was a Paxton tune. Heard it on a Steve Miller Band album and I liked the Hippie Militance of it at the time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Jon Freeman Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:18 AM LEJ, I had no idea who wrote it. I have only heard one person singing it, Father Liam - a Roman Catholic Priest! Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Danlbear Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:21 AM Goodnight everyone. I hope everyone can find it in his or her heart to pray, meditate, or at least think about the members of this group who are in need of support and not argue about it. That's all I have to say on the issue. It doesn't matter who you're God is or if you even have one. The human spirit is capable of healing, and there is strength in numbers. dan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Jon Freeman Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:36 AM Danbear, I could have agreed with you up to where you said "That's all I have to say on this issue". I can happily be friends with people with different beliefs to mine and agree to disagree on certain matters but you are already starting to preach and for the record: It does matter to me who my God is, it does matter to me that I have one, I do not blieve that the human spirit has healing powers and I do not belive that there is strength in numbers. Can't we leave each other to our own beliefs and stop making statements about what does and doesn't matter and what does and doesn't heal.. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: alison Date: 05 Jan 00 - 09:47 AM I think it is a good idea to take this into the personal messages... recently there have been threads where people with problems have been ridiculed........ or it hasn't been taken seriously becasue people assume its a hoax..... this can't be very "healing" for the person concerned..... Yes we are a community, but we don't need to know absolutely everything about everybody else... some people like / need their privacy. If it was taken into private messages... those concerned or willing to help could be reached ..... here's another suggestion.. why not take it into ICQ or one of the other "chat" type forums... so you can actually talk things through, or arrange times to meet and "channel energies" or whatever....... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Peter T. Date: 05 Jan 00 - 11:27 AM where do I sign up for the loyal twelve, if that means healing and compassion wherever it rears its beautiful head, and whether you believe in its efficacy or not? Over here, please count my head sir, please!! Where is that line to toe? I'm ready and willing, you bet. Happy to fulfill someone's paranoia on this one, pressed down and overflowing!!!!! yours, Peter T. P.S. Go soak your head (in the most healing compassionate way, of course). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: katlaughing Date: 05 Jan 00 - 12:40 PM Peter! LOL! Thank you! One of the things I've always liked about Mudcats is their tolerance for diversity. Because of the nature of folkmusic, a lot of Christianity is represented, can't be helped, that is part of a lot of its history. Coming here, it was nice to see tolerance for those of us who are not Christian; now I am wondering where its got to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Peter T. Date: 05 Jan 00 - 01:00 PM No way I am following you down that road, kat. You will turn into your enemy. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: katlaughing Date: 05 Jan 00 - 01:05 PM Not my intention at all, Peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: MamaTamba Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:25 PM My, My! Leave you folks alone for a couple of hours and you get right back into it! Wow! There is a great big old undercurrent of unresolved (unresolvable?) issues with the regulars at this (GREAT) site. 1. TO LEJ...re my 1/4/00 "huh?"...Thanks for the explain - AND what I read as encouragement for Kat. 2. TO MICCA...re my 1/4/00 concerns about "vetting" etal - I had the (mistaken?) impression that direct or personal contact for support was going to be via phone or e-mail to MY pc. I'm not real comfortable with that. I WILL get to learning more about navigating this site (and other stuff) when I finally settle down to the same pc and isp for more than 2 weeks at a time. Thanks for your offer of technohelp. I'll probably visit you WHEN I settle down. 3. TO ALISON...Lots of well-meaning and helpful people like moi) don't know enough to use ICQ or modes other than this. 4. I'm totally mystified over the exchange between Kat and Peter T. over what I perceive to be issues of religious tolerance. 5. I don't agree with JOHN F's BELIEFS...but I do agree with JOHN F (the person) and his right to have and express those beliefs. 6. WHO or WHAT THE HELL IS "GARGOYLE"??...AND ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT B.S., ETC??? MUSIC WITHOUT PEOPLE IS ONE HAND CLAPPING !!!! More luv and warm fuzzies to Kat and my fellow White Hats (you know who you are) MamaT.
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Paul G. Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:32 PM Hello...don't know if I'm among the twelve...but I am responsible for one of the recent "healing threads". Kat, I'm with you on this one. The process need not be public, it just needs to be. Message me when you need me. That goes for everyone. Paul G. |
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Subject: Original intent of healing circle From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Jan 00 - 02:35 PM You, know, I think we have a lot of common ground, and it's just a matter of a few subtle differences. I'm not Jewish, but for me the most moving moment of 1999 was going to the Western Wall ("Wailing Wall") in Jerusalem. This is the holiest place in Judaism, and you'll always find people there at the wall, deeply in one sort of prayer or another. Shula, who was once a beloved member of the group here, needs a heart transplant, and she's been in poor health for years. She loves to sing, but most times she's too congested to sing. I felt compelled to write a prayer for Shula and tuck it into a crack in the wall, along with thousands and thousands of other prayers that were there. Although Jerusalem is a hotbed of political and religious controversy, there was a certain peace and healing power at that wall that I couldn't help but feel. I think that when it's at its best, the Healing Circle calls upon that same healing power. Reminds me of the Bob Zentz song, When All Thy Names Are One. We're all one - we just don't realize it a lot of the time. The Healing Circle is a good thing. So is most of what goes on here at the Mudcat. It's just a matter of tone and balance. It seems to me that the nonmusical threads have been so popular that they have overwhelmed the folk music discussions, and that has detracted from the reputation of the 'Cat as a place for fascinating exchanges of information about folk music. The folk music discussions are still here, but they seem to have lost a lot of their vitality and we seem not to be attracting new people to join the folk music side of the discussion. I think that Kat has the start of a good idea here, and I'm wondering if we can work to develop it. I know of several people who were helped by the warmth and healing power of our expressions of love for them, so this is an important thing that must be encouraged. However, I wonder if a public forum is the best place to express such personal feelings. When we have multiple threads of dozens of expressions of sympathy or healing, the threads develop a certain sameness to them that dulls the warmth of the intentions being expressed. I think that it might be a better idea to ask somebody to moderate a Healing Circle, with only the original request being posted in the Forum, with reponses sent by e-mail or by personal messages. It would be easy for the moderator to set up a separate e-mailbox for the Circle, or maybe a mailing list. Those who have sent messages would then receive updates on the person's condition, or whatever. There have been several times whan I have been tempted posting a message to a Healing Circle thread, but I did not feel comfortable expressing my sympathies publicly because what I had to say was to similar to everything else that was said. If we can channel these expressions into something that isn't quite such a public forum, I think we may find that the end result is far more powerful that what some people have seen here in the forum threads. Also, there have been several people among us who have suffered one thing or another, people who could benefit greatly from our sympathy and love. However, people often don't want to have their problems or medical conditions discussed in a public forum, in a thread with a hundred messages about them - how can we best express our love for these people who need it? Those are just my ideas, not a solid plan. I think it's something we can work with, an idea that could develop into something wonderful. I think Kat's on the right track with this one. What else can we do to break down those barriers that divide us, to honor the needs of all who are here? I know the easy answer is to say that we should just tolerate everything everybody does, but I think that's a cop-out. A good number of people feel that the folk music aspect of our forum has lost its spark because of all the other stuff that's going on - I think those people have a right to have those concerns honored. Can we come together as friends, and honor the needs of all? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: clare s Date: 05 Jan 00 - 03:19 PM If you really think that your 'thoughts' can heal you are sadly wrong. No decently conducted experiment has shown any difference over a control group. Of course, you are entitled to your beliefs however absurd, but please go somewhere else and leave us folkies to discuss music. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Áine Date: 05 Jan 00 - 03:44 PM Dearest Kat, I just want to say that I support your Healing Circle and the idea of compassion behind it. Since it was originally your concept, I will back you in whatever way you want to handle it, whether that means going 'off forum' or keeping here. However, I sincerely hope that this wonderful place does not becomes a haven for those 'of a like mind' or for people who find comfort in the thought of 'seperate but equal.' So far, the Mudcat has been an open and public place for communication -- warts and all -- and not a restricted, private club. I can only hope that it remains open for all. -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 05 Jan 00 - 04:06 PM I have avoided posting to this thread, but would now like to express my views. My religion is irrelevant to this issue. My sympathy and support I give as a fellow human being. (dedicated to saving lives and preventing human suffering) without knowing whom I am supporting. I merely know some kindred soul has requested a caring thought for someone else. That I expressed my simple wishes for health and concern for a fellow human being on this site surely cannot offend anyone? If you do not believe it works, why do you wish people Good Luck, Happy New Year, or God bless etc they will not work either will they? There is one person (a musician to establish the link to this site) who may feel that although facing a terrible challenge to defeat a disease, may feel a little better for knowing that he is not alone and forgotten in this world. If I can give a small sense of comradeship to someone, then I believe in giving that small gesture. let those who wish to continue discussing music continue to do so. I doubt if my posting on another thread will interupt you; or debase and demean the purpose of the Mudcat. If it does then I shall leave this site right now and never darken your door again. I have a daughter suffering from an incurable disease, this site helps me feel better without requesting your help. The thoughts and caring messages my wife and I get from people do help us get by. I have seen much more death and needless destruction than many people on this site. Kindness and courtesy is still alive in this world, I dread the thought that it may perish; and we end up without children who believe in fairies and Pooh bear and The Pony Man and other such useless idea's. I have the honour to be Ladies and Gentlemen, Yours, Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Jon Freeman Date: 05 Jan 00 - 04:33 PM Kat, I feel quite sure that the intentions of the Mudcat Healing circle genuine and asking people to pray (or whatever a persons belief system says they should do) is something that I am in agreement with but I do feel that the Mudcat Healing circle is going beyond that level. You mentioned religions tolerance. I think that most of us realise that Mudcat is made up is made of people from different cultures and with many different religious beliefs. Personally, I am happy to discuss my beliefs with anybody of any faith and listen to their view points but try to do this in the terms of "The Christian take on this is…" rather than to make statements of fact on a subject that ultimately comes down to personal beliefs. There have been numerous statements on how a person is healed and how one should go about focusing energy etc. All statements in terms of direction have from Non Christians and again, I have seen it happen that when a Christian finally does question the beliefs of non Christians, it suddenly becomes a matter of religious intolerance in the minds of the non Christians. This is not the case, you are preaching your beliefs in the forum and then getting upset when challenged. I don't preach how Jesus Christ is the son of God or the power of the Holy Spirit in this forum because I don't believe that it is the right place for it but I feel pretty sure that if I did, the non Christians would leap on my back and moan about religious content rather more quickly than I have done. Finally, when it comes to actually grouping together to send out psychic energy from the forum, you are reaching the point of not only preaching but using to forum to practice religions that are totally alien to me. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Lonesome EJ Date: 05 Jan 00 - 04:55 PM When asked to participate in a Healing Thread, I pray to Jesus Christ for the well-being of that person in need. Kat may invoke the Spirits of Nature, Seed may focus his own personal healing energy, Spaw may just give his best wishes.As a Christian, I believe that prayer works. I don't know if what they are doing is helping or not, but I believe that they are doing the right thing in the best way they know how to do it. I am proud to be in their company. As Christ said, "My Father's House has many rooms." Now, as for the method by which this good thing is expressed, I think we're all open to creative suggestions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: clare s Date: 05 Jan 00 - 05:47 PM I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense! None of you possess 'healing energy' none of you can affect the health of a distant person through your thoughts or your love or your prayers Sad possibly, but true You may as well believe in Santa Claus Next time you are ill, try a doctor... not perfect but far more effective than your positive vibes clare |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Jon Freeman Date: 05 Jan 00 - 05:59 PM Clare s, this illustrates the problems. In reality, you are expressing your own beliefs on this subject which are no more or less proveable than anyone elses. I have my belifs, Kat has hers, you have yours... I think that most of us can agree that we are concerned about others and are willing to try to help according to our own beliefs but the problem comes in when people start stating their beliefs as if they are hard facts. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Penny S. Date: 05 Jan 00 - 06:11 PM clare s. - I don't think it is possible for there to be a true controlled test of whatever people believe they are doing in healing - you could never have a controlled group where you could be sure no-one was prayed for - and would any God be worth worship who would go along with such an experiment. Yet there are people who believe that they have received help by such methods. If you are right, what harm do such activities do? If you are wrong, then harm could be done by refraining from the attempt to use them. I think that there can never be proof either way. I know that prayer does not always seem to do anything useful. It can seem pretty appalling when sincere prayers for someone's healing are apparently ignored, while someone else's request for what can seem trivial (a parking space?) are regularly "answered". But that doesn't disprove anything. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Date: 05 Jan 00 - 06:18 PM Here's what one doctor has to say: An Interview on Attitudinal Healing with Bernie S. Siegel, M.D. Hope & A Prayer is an indispensable survival guide for patients and health care providers. Its therapeutic message of hope is timely, provocative and entertaining. Dr. Bernie Siegel discusses how hope and a positive attitude can dramatically enhance the quality of the patient's life, and improve the outcome of illness. His brilliant insights and charismatic presentation give the viewer a sense of empowerment and provide practical tools for dealing effectively with serious illness. In this thought-provoking and inspiring interview, cancer specialist and surgeon Dr. Bernie Siegel motivates us all to utilize our own innate power to create self healing. He speaks sensibly to those facing illness, either directly or through someone they care about, and to doctors, nutses, and others in the medical community. Bernie Siegel, M.D., practices surgery in New Haven and teaches at Yale University. A pioneer in the field of attitudinal healing, he is a former President of the American Holistic Medical Association. He is the author of the best-selling Love, Medicine & Miracles, published in 1986 by Harper and Row.
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 05 Jan 00 - 06:23 PM It seems to me as a Christian/Hindu/Buddhist/Shinto/Baha'i/etc. that while most posters recognize the right of everyone to practice his/her own religion, a number of the "Christian" posters believe that persons of other persuasions should, out of respect for the true religion, do it elsewhere... --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Jon Freeman Date: 05 Jan 00 - 06:44 PM Seed, I don't know about other Christian posters, or what you mean by the true relgion (unless that is an ackowledgement from yourself) but personally speaking, I would prefer it if people did limit their parctice of relgion to those of the same of compatible beliefs. I might be misreading it but you asmost seem to be implying that there is a suggestion that it would be OK for Christians but nobody else to practice thier religion here. I have only expressed my own feelings on a subject and personally, I pracitce my own religion (except for day to day behaivior) in the privacy of my own home or occasionally in the company of other Christians in a church... I just wish people of other persuasions could be as respectful. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Original intent of healing circle From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Jan 00 - 06:52 PM Not quite, BSeed - It's a great thing for all of us to keep and share our religious traditions and perspectives, while respecting and learning from the perspectives of others. However, what we do here that borders on a religious practice, should be done in a way that it includes us all, and does not make anyone feel left out. If expressions of love and good wishes and sympathy are expressed here in a public forum, they can and should be expressed in a nonsectarian way that includes us all. Evangelical Christians consider it an essential part of their faith to evangelize, to convert people. As a non-evangelical Christian, that makes me uncomfortable when I'm subjected to that sort of evangelization. I think the Christians have done a pretty good job here of not evangelizing, and not doing anything that would cause discomfort to those who believe otherwise. I'd hate to see this place become a sterile environment where people are ostracized for expressing their religious ideas or talking about their religious traditions. Again, note the difference between religious practices, and expression of religious ideas. I'm a Catholic/Christian (albeit of the liberal, dissenting variety), and I believe we all are blessed in many ways. I believe those blessings come from God and from people who love us, and others believe those blessings come from other sources. When I wish those blessings on my agnostic/sometime atheist friend Fielding, I do it in a way that is acceptable and inclusive to him. Otherwise, he might respond to my well-intentioned but mistaken good wishes with some rather colorful "blessings" of his own. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: catspaw49 Date: 05 Jan 00 - 06:54 PM flip-flop......straddlee.....lean..........TILT!!! sheesh..........Its terrible, its great, its not Ok unless, but if we do, maybe we could but not, unless we do this, no that............. Sorry I was off having a good time with my wife the first two days of the week.......... If I decide to ask for support or good wishes for a friend in any kind of need, I WILL. You may respond or not, totally up to you.....no religion, no preaching, no good or bad, no 96 page rulebook. If you want to join me or someone else in wishing the best, get well, happy birthday, or whatever...just do it. You want to post one of those, DO IT. We're all free to respond or not. And if this somehow bothers you, no problem, DON'T DO IT and DON'T open the thread. Somebody today posted an anonymous "Happy Birthday" to mouldy and Caitrin.........maybe it was a mistake, but if it was truly meant to be anonymous, you gotta' get a laugh out of that much paranoia! Yeah, I know, I'm an anarchist. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Mbo Date: 05 Jan 00 - 06:59 PM Hey, Seed told me I was one of the twelve! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Jon Freeman Date: 05 Jan 00 - 07:11 PM Spaw, I think we have 2 separate issues. One is the place of BS and the second is of a religious nature. The type of post you are mentioning is purely of the BS nature (unfortunate prefix I know) and would gladly send a get well message or whatever (and in my case for what it is worth, would say a quite prayer on my own) and that doesn't bother me. It is the degree of the religious content that is making me feel uncomfortable. Jon
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Banjer Date: 05 Jan 00 - 07:26 PM Among the "regular" voices in this forum I find the usual understanding and tolerance of each others' beliefs and thoughts. This is the way this village has operated since I have been here, a little over a year now. Comes one Clare S., who according to forum search has only posted twice, both times in this thread, telling those of us who have been here for some time to "please go somewhere else and leave us folkies to discuss music". If I feel that what I am doing is right, not hurting anyone else and in fact maybe helping someone with words of encouragement or other support, leaving is the last thing I'll do. Either Clare S. is new member, in which case welcome, or someone who would not like their identity know and has logged on with a pseudonymn. In either case I shall NOT allow MY thoughts or beliefs to be swayed by someone not willing to reveal their true identity or so new that they have no idea what is going on! Ray Eanes, BANJER ILLIGITEMI NON CARBORUNDUM!
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: catspaw49 Date: 05 Jan 00 - 07:28 PM I understand your point Jon. I wasn't as tuned to that end of it as others were and perhaps I should have been. I try to avoid stepping on "religious" toes so to speak. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Jan 00 - 07:30 PM Lonesome, I think you have said all that needs to be said, way back there. It doesn't matter what image you see when you pray to your God, the prayer or thought is the action. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 05 Jan 00 - 07:33 PM Jon, I think by describing myself as I did, I made it clear that I believe everyone should have the same rights to religious expression, whatever their beliefs. I have sensed in this thread that there are some who feel--as many in the religious right do--that religious freedom is something reserved for Christians. --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Rick Fielding Date: 05 Jan 00 - 07:39 PM Sheesh folks (and especially you, anonymous) don't go putting all your faith (and cash) in the opinions of doctors! They are as tied to pharmaceutical companies as some music teachers are to Mel Bay books. As Joe pointed out I know diddly about religious faiths of any kind, but that sure didn't stop me from thinking about Catspaw for two solid weeks. The mind is an amazing thing and I have no doubt it can affect positive (or negative) changes. Because I can't conceive of the concept of divine intervention, doesn't mean I don't think it's possible. I am firmly in the camp of "Whatever Get's you through the Night"! For me, since the age of 15, it's been music, music, music. Still works great. Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle From: Peter T. Date: 05 Jan 00 - 08:50 PM Well, I am a Buddhist, and I personally have been struck by how restrained everyone has been here about their religious persuasions -- unlike virtually all other Internet groups I know of. The reason, I believe, is that as people interested in the community of music, especially folk music, we have borrowed (and recreated) the rules, manners, humour, tolerance and bullshit of people sitting around playing music and having a good time. It is a porch in a strange village. THIS IS A COMMUNITY OF CRAZY PEOPLE, OTHERWISE WHY ARE WE DEVOTED TO FOLK MUSIC IN A WORLD OF STOCK OPTIONS????????. WE ARE ALL TOTALLY, SCREAMING NUTS. WE ARE SITTING AROUND TYPING MESSAGES TO PEOPLE ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF CARRICKFERGUS!!!!!!!!!! We got chanters, we got St. John's Wort devotees, we got St. John of the Cross devotees, we got nutso Buddhists like me, we got wiccans, we even have banjo players. We got people in the back room that you don't want to tell the neighbours about. If people want to heal people with prayer, that is fine. If people want to pray for me, and they are Hindu Jews, please pray for me, because I sure as hell need it -- it may not work, but what have I got to lose? It is not as if praying for people or asking for them to be healed actively sends out evil ions that will destroy our way of life (which needs to be destroyed, but that is another discussion). It's a porch, with moonshine liquor or Guinness close by -- so we are nuts, so what???? Who's got a tune....? yours, Peter T. |