BS: Howard Dean's Blog

Subject: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 08:05 PM

Let your voice be heard at:

Blog For America

Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 08:38 PM

Thanks, Alice. I've made no bones about being interested in Howard Dean, even if I am a Green...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: kendall
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 09:13 PM

I have also been a Dean supporter. I even sent a contribution. However, my MAIN interest is defeating Bush, and I'm afraid Dean is too far left to attract enough votes.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 12:30 AM

As I see all the moderates, republicans and independents joining up around the country for Dean volunteer activities and posting to the blog, this campaign is a phenomenon of people feeling energized by a man they can respect. Again and again, the comments from people are that they have never felt like a politician could be trusted or that they would want to campaign for anyone until they got to know about Howard Dean. He has backbone to stand up about Iraq when the other Dems caved to save their D.C. careers. He's intelligent, fiscally conservative, supporting of the people running the country, not the special interests. Most of his funds have been an average donation of under $100, and he raised over 7 million that way. It's a phenomenon of people seeking him out to help the campaign rather than his staff having to find volunteers. People are coming in droves to www.meetup.com to help Dean. About 500 people a day sign up to meet others face to face in their community the first Wed of each month to plan campaign events.

check out the numbers at www.meetup.com

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: LadyJean
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 12:40 AM

Dear Mr. Dean, don't make McGovern's mistake, and focus on the kids. There are plenty of us who came of age in the sixties, and have the experience to back up our idealism. Call on us too!

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 12:47 AM

I always liked the philosophy that anyone who WANTS to be president should never be allowed in the office. We should draft someone who will fight tooth and nail to stay away from it.

Be that as it may, I agree with Kendall. The main purpose of this next election should be to get the Texas Village Idiot out of the oval office.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 12:49 AM

My point is that I think Dean is the only one who CAN get Bush out of office.

alice

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 12:54 AM

LadyJean, most of the people who showed up for our local Meetup were about my age and older (I'm 51). We all arrived there because we were curious about getting involved. None of us were connected to the official campaign. That is the way people are organizing all over the country. About 63,000 people so far, just average folks who want to get Bush out and are energized by someone who is telling them that the small campaign donations and individual voters are the people who need to take hold of that power. To compare the other candidates, Kerry has 6,400 people signed up at Meetup.com, and some of those have switched over to Dean.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 01:20 AM

Quote from the Dean blog where they are discussing a White House photo released during State of the Union, showing Bush going over the speech word for word "Is that a pencil in his hand, or a smoking gun?"

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 08:08 AM

Any political scientist will tell you about the "Bell curve". If you are too far from the middle of the road, you don't get the votes. Not enough anyway. I have asked him when he is going to tell us the truth about resident Bush's military career, no answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 09:10 AM

Many in Vermont would tell you that Dean is very middle of the road.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 09:42 AM

Some reasons I think Dean is more moderate than the media spin portrays:

Dean stated in his July 2 NPR interview, "I think I can win, in fact, I think I may be the only Democrat that can win. And the reason for that is, that, first of all, we have 38,000 [this has grown to 195,519 signed up as of July 16] volunteers in... all the 50 states. The next person, last time I saw, had 1,300. There is an enormous hunger in this country, not just by Democrats, but by independents, to see somebody in the White House who stands up for principles that are good for the country, centrist principles. This president has moved so far right that our guys have chased after him trying to get themselves elected....Balanced budged amendment is something that is political, I've publicly said that it's not great public policy, but we may have to have it anyway because you can't trust the Republicans with your money. And that's true, this president is using Argentina as his fiscal model: borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend. It turns out the Republicans pushed the balanced budget but they never balanced budgets.They cut taxes, they cut services, they raise your middle class property taxes, but they never balance budgets and that's why we may need a balanced budget amendment. I am absolutely determined to balance the budget, I'm a complete deficit hawk, I had balanced budgets when I was governor, and we don't have any requirement to have a balanced budget. We're the only state in the country that has no statutory requirement. We put money aside, we had small tax cuts, and we paid off a quarter of our debt, going from the worst bond rating to the best bond rating in New England during the time I was governor. Now, we're not cutting K through 12, we're not cutting higher education, we're not cutting kids-only health care. If the federal government were run like that, I think Americans would be much better off...." end quote.

You can read the entire interview at
http://www.npr.org/programs/specials/democrats2004/transcripts/dean_trans.html

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 09:55 AM

The media has really smeared Dean with the "too liberal" label, a tactic to keep Bush in office. Governor Dean founded The Fund For A Healthy America to support the principles of fiscal stability, universal health insurance, better environmental protection, and equality for all Americans. From his bio at the Fund site, here is part of his record in Vermont:

quote "A common sense moderate who firmly believes that social justice can only be accomplished through strong financial management, Gov. Dean has cut the income tax twice, removed the sales tax on most clothing, and reduced the state's long-term debt. Not only did the governor pay off an inherited $70 million deficit, he worked with lawmakers to build "rainy day" reserves to help the state through any future economic downturn.

During the Dean tenure, more than 41,000 new jobs have been created,
the state's minimum wage has climbed twice, incentive programs have
expanded to help downtowns attract new businesses, and tax incentives were created to attract and keep new companies.

If fiscal management is Gov. Dean's trademark, improving the lives of Vermont's children is his passion. A physician, Gov. Dean strengthened
the Dr. Dynasaur program to guarantee health coverage to virtually every child in Vermont age 18 and under. Vermont has one of the lowest uninsured rates in the country -- and highest rates of immunized children. Gov. Dean has expanded programs to help seniors afford prescription drugs, and signed into law one of the toughest managed care consumer protections in the U.S.

It is preservation of Vermont's precious natural resources and landscapesthat the governor considers his legacy. Gov. Dean worked with local communities and the federal government to preserve more than one million acres of farmland, shorefront, working forests and wilderness. Under the Dean administration, 76 of the state's leaking landfills were safely closed, and Vermont became a leader in the move to reduce mercury pollution and stop power plants from polluting the air. Gov. Dean has created bikeways, lead the effort to restore commuter rail service in Vermont, and lead a strong, coordinated attack on sprawl.

Working with lawmakers, prosecutors, judges and law enforcement, Gov. Dean has cracked down on violent crime in Vermont and ensured that violent felons spend time behind bars. He has fought to protect family farms, increased the number of women and minorities in judgeships and other prominent positions, cracked down on domestic violence, and put Vermont in the forefront for child support collections." end quote

Here is a link to Fund For A Healthy America.http://www.fundforahealthyamerica.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 09:59 AM

Dean's record in Vermont shows he is not too liberal to be elected. Here are press quotes from 2001.

"Howard Dean is Vermont's Harry Truman. Dean, like Truman, is a no-nonsense, plain-speaking guy who loves to give 'em hell. ... He defies labels, following a pragmatic not partisan path. ... Our first baby-boomer governor harkens to a time gone by, a time when families were strong and values deep. He is patriotic, a strong law and order man who believes in the American dream and expects people to do their best to climb the ladder."
The Associated Press - September 9, 2001 Column by Vermont Bureau Chief Christopher Graff

"This equal emphasis on creating jobs, balancing budgets and expanding government's social activism sums up Dean's approach to the office he has held longer than anyone in this century. A decade later, it's hard to think of another politician who could have handled the job so successfully for so long."
The Burlington Free Press (VT) - August 13, 2001

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: TIA
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 10:12 AM

Go Alice!
I'm on board.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 10:14 AM

More Dean press releases with his stand on issues:

Dean Calls for Environmental Leadership and Openness in Government


Text of "Restoring American Leadership"; Delivered 6/25/03 to the Council on Foreign Relations, Washington, DC

quote in part... "I believed then and I believe now that removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq was a
                        just cause. But not every just cause requires that we go to war, especially with inadequate
                        planning and without maximum support.

                        The Bush administration led us into war without convincing evidence that an imminent threat
                        existed, without a strategy for securing nuclear, chemical and biological materials, without a
                        plan for financing reconstruction, and without a clue how to consolidate the peace or unite the
                        Iraqi people in support of democracy.

                        Today we face three critical problems, all connected with the manner in which we prosecuted
                        the war: the first is accounting for the weapons of mass destruction, vital because of the
                        implications for our own security as well as for the integrity and credibility of the United States
                        and its leaders in the eyes of the world...."

complete text of Dean's Council on Foreign Relations speech regarding Iraq at the above link.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 02:06 PM

Alice, thanks for posting the links!

From what I know of Kendall, I admire him greatly, but I'm afraid I have to take issue with him on his statement, ". . . I'm afraid Dean is too far left to attract enough votes."

I can do no better than to quote Harry Truman who said, "When voters are given a choice between voting for a Republican, or a Democrat who acts like a Republican, they'll vote for the Republican every time."

I think one of the reasons so few people in this country vote (at least according to my unscientific personal survey, where I hear people saying, "What the hell difference would it make? They're all the same anyway!") is that what they what is a clear-cut alternative, not someone who is trying to keep a foot in both camps.

Another quote (of a somewhat folksie nature): "The only things I ever see in the 'middle of the road' are a dead skunk and a yellow stripe!"

A clear choice. Not Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

In any case, I'd support SpongeBob SquarePants if I thought he could get Bush and Company out of there.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 03:47 PM

I hope Dean does make it. I like him, but, we will see.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 08:23 PM

Anyone thought of having Bill Clinton run as Vice President for whoever gets to be Democrat candidate?

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 09:06 PM

I gotta agree with, Don.

Dean is the *only* candidate that can beat Bush because, at least on the surface, he represents a different set of values and ideals.

I'm still Green and plan on working for the Green Party but am hepefull that a more sucessfull vote brokering program can be in place this time around so that the Greens can get their 5% and the US can get Bush the heck out!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: TIA
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 10:25 PM

Hey Don Firth - if all you ever see in the middle of the road is a dead skunk and a yellow stripe, you must have missed this.

Gives new meaning to "not my job".

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Frankham
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 10:48 PM

He may have criticized Bush for his handling of the Iraq war but I'm not convinced that he wouldn't have gone after Sadam militarilly.

I'm unclear as to his position on gun control, also. He seems to favor "the right to bear arms" which might put him in the gun lobby pocket.

I think I have to go with Kendall on this, though. He will appear too "rad" for the general population. Bush is winning this propagand war, unfortunately. If Dean turns up as the candidate of choice for the Democratic party I will support him as "the lesser of two evils".

It may be that he is more of a populist than I think. But I have reservations about him based on his statements about being pro-Israel and not enough balance on the Middle East situation.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 10:59 PM

Today, Dean now has over 200,000 people signed up to his email list. These people come from all 50 states. These are people who are suddenly energized by a candidate they can respect. They are seeking the campaign. No other candidate can show that kind of grassroots power this early in the campaign. It is phenomenal.
If you want to sign up for the email list, here is the link:
deanforamerica signup
As of his July 2 NPR interview there were 38,000, now there are over 200,000.

Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 11:07 PM

Frank, Dean has stated that gun control is an issue for each state depending on the crime situation in each locality. Rural areas like Montana are very different than inner city gang areas. He is an advocate for appropriate gun legislation designed for each community/state. Go to the Dean blog and you will see discussions of the Israel issue as well as all other political points of view. Dean is not in any lobby pocket, guns or Israel or any other. The whole focus of his campaign is to get special interest influence out of campaigns and government as much as possible. That is what is getting people excited about his campaign. His money is not coming from lobbies, pacs, unions, etc. it is coming from individual donations of voters. The same with the campaign work. It's being done by individual folks in small towns and big cities as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Janie
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 11:29 PM

I like Dean also, but like Kendall, I have my doubts that he could beat Bush in the general election. The key to whether Bush is ousted, I believe, is going to be how divisive and/or rancorous the Democratic primary campaign turns out to be. If the Dem's can manage to have a fairly civilized primary, I think the country will go for whoever ends up being the Democratic candidate. If the Democrats start throwing much mud at each other during the primary campaign, they will discredit themselves sufficiently to cost the Party the election. (So play nice boys, ya hear?)

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Hrothgar
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 07:53 AM

All this is very impressive - but what's a blog?

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: GUEST,Alice w/out cookie
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 09:54 AM

A blog is short for web log. It's like our Mudcat forum here. If you go to the www.blogforamerica.com page, you will see paragraphs that are like our thread titles and the small word "comment" under each paragraph. Click on "comments" and if the thread is still open for comments, you type in your message, just like we type in messages to threads. The Mudcat could be called a blog.

Regarding electability, Dean is much farther ahead than dark horses Carter and Clinton when they were at this point of the campaign. I think he is much more electable as a trustworthy and inspiring candidate than either Carter or Clinton. Carter was intelligent but boring - Dean is intelligent and energizing. Clinton was appealing but smarmy with scandal, Dean is appealing and of high moral character.

Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 11:06 AM

But I gather he's a bit short, and they have to have him stand on a little stool at public metings. For some strange reason voters appear to prefer tall blokes. The only way the short ones get tonpower generally seems to be via the military commander route, like Napoleon.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 01:53 PM

Whether or not Dean has a chance of beating Bush depends on people like us--you, me, and Fred down the street. Do we just watch passively and kibitz, or do we dig in and go to work?

It's up to us, folks!

The alternative is another four years of Bush!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 03:21 PM

McGrath, he may be comparatively short in stature, but Dean stands tall with moral backbone. Bush is the reverse. (And, in my opinion, Clinton is the reverse, too.) Got Backbone?

alice

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 03:28 PM

Governor Dean's remarks at a press conference this morning in Des Moines, Iowa.

MP3 Real Audio clip.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 03:32 PM

The audio clip link is about 16 questions (remember the 16 "little words" comment?) to Bush. Only two are on the audio clip - the rest you can read at the Dean blog. The 16th question is:
"16) Mr. President, we need to know why you incorrectly claimed this very week that the war began because Iraq would not admit UN inspectors, when in fact Iraq had admitted the inspectors and you opposed extending their work. (Washington Post, Priest, Dana and Dana Milbank, 7/15/2003)"

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 06:59 PM

Zogby International, a leading scientific polling firm, has just released a poll of US likely voters on Bush's performance rating:

zogby.com

His negative rating reached 46%, just under his pre-9/11 unfavorable of 49%:

More Voters (47%) Say It's Time for Someone New Than Say He Deserves Re-election.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 19 Jul 03 - 07:23 PM

These sites will show you what a broad range of support Dean is getting.

Republicans for Dean
CLICK

Independents for Dean
CLICK

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jul 03 - 07:31 PM

I'm all for short candidates, Alice. Most politicians need cutting down to size. But there seems a tendency for voters to go for height in most countries.

Maybe the Americans will grow up enough to throw that one away - and if they look at what voting that way has got them in the past, they might do it. (After all, Franklin Roosevelt couldn't stand tall, because he couldn't stand, and you've yet to match him in political stature.)

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 09:59 PM

In spite of the slanted polls and misinformation that the American press is putting out about Dean, his support is continuing to mushroom from the grassroots. Cheney is doing a luncheon on Monday with some fat cat contributors that will raise $250,000. Dean's campaign started a challenge to raise at least $250,000 from the thousands of donors who are giving small amounts. The progress can be seen at the baseball bat chart on deanforamerica.com.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 10:11 PM

I think if Dean gets elected, he'll take us to war with Iran (although I think he might not call it a war), unless Bush does it before he leaves office.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 08:17 PM

Well, I reckon I can't just let a thread die out with such a suspicion. I disagree, CarolC. I think Dean would think dipolnacy first, bombs second, as opposed to the current "resident" and his *wild west foriegn policy* of *shoot first and don't bother to ask no questions, just shoot, shoot, shoot...*.

I'm real concerned about you, CarolC, but a lot more concerned for our country, which has sqandered an excellent opportunity to stand up and carry the Earth forward with its reactionary and arrogant foriegn policy. If you are truely thinking of voting *for* Bush, then all I can say is, "You've been around conservatives too much and need to get yer compass recalibrated". This ain't the real you!

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 10:33 PM

CarolC, that is so far from Dean's position, I wonder how you got that impression of him. This is where Howard Dean stands on the foreign policy issue:


quote
                                                   "Securing America at Home and Abroad

                                       

                                    The United States has a special role to play in world
                                    affairs as an historic inspiration to those around the
                                    world seeking democracy, freedom, and opportunity.
                                    Our own fight for independence, democracy and basic
                                    human rights has allowed us to act as a moral force
                                    in world affairs and a guiding light for other nations.

                                    In the last century, our strength as a nation was
                                    measured more by the extent to which others
                                    emulated and respected us abroad than by the extent
                                    to which they feared and loathed us.

                                    Under George W. Bush, this nation has lost its way.
                                    Not only are we less secure at home and abroad, we
                                    have squandered our role as the inspiration and
                                    guiding light for other peoples. I seek to restore
                                    America's rightful place in the world and its
                                    moral leadership in world affairs.

                                    We remain the sole superpower in the world – as
                                    Madeleine Albright once put it, the "indispensable
                                    power" for addressing so many of the challenges
                                    around the world. But we cannot lead the world by
                                    force, and we cannot go it alone. We must lead
                                    toward clearly articulated and shared goals and with
                                    the cooperation and respect of friends and allies.

                                    I seek to restore the best traditions of American
                                    leadership. Leadership in which our power is
                                    multiplied by the appeal of democratic ideals and by
                                    the knowledge that our country is a force for law
                                    around the world not a law unto itself.

                                    I will not divide the world into us versus them. Rather, I will rally the world around
                                    fundamental principles of decency, responsibility, freedom, and mutual respect. Our
                                    foreign and military policy must be about the notion of America leading the world not
                                    America against the world.

                                    I opposed President Bush's war in Iraq from the beginning. While Saddam
                                    Hussein's regime was clearly evil and needed to be disarmed, it did not present an
                                    immediate threat to U.S. security that would justify going to war, particularly going to war
                                    alone. From the beginning, I felt that winning the war would not be the hard part – winning
                                    the peace would be. This administration failed to plan for the postwar period as it did for
                                    the battle, and today we are paying the price.

                                    My opposition to the war, however, is part of a comprehensive view of America's
                                    role in the world that I presented to the Council on Foreign Relations on June 25th (click here for full text). In that speech, I laid out four goals for American leadership in the world:

                                          First, defeat the threat posed by terrorists, tyrants, and technologies of mass destruction.
                                          Second, strengthen our alliances and ensure Russia and China are fully integrated into a
                                          stable international order.
                                          Third, enlarge the circle of beneficiaries of the growing world economy.
                                          And fourth, ensure that life on our fragile planet is sustainable.

                                    Fifty-five years ago, President Harry Truman delivered what was known as the Four Point
                                    speech. In it, he challenged Democrats and Republicans alike to come together to build
                                    strong and effective international organizations; to support arrangements that would spur
                                    global economic recovery; to join with free people everywhere in the defense of human
                                    liberty; and to draw upon the genius of our people to help societies who needed help in the
                                    battle against hunger and illness, ignorance and despair.

                                    Harry Truman believed that a world in which even the poorest and most desperate had
                                    grounds for hope would be a world in which our own children could grow up in security and
                                    peace not because evil would then be absent from the globe, but because the forces of
                                    right would be united and strong.

                                    Harry Truman had faith as I have faith, and as I believe the American people have faith, that
                                    if we are wise enough and determined enough in our opposition to hate and our promotion
                                    of tolerance; in our opposition to aggression and our fidelity to law; we will have allies not
                                    only among governments but among people everywhere.

                                    Such an alliance can never be beaten.

                                    And the creation of such an alliance will be my goal if I am entrusted with the presidency of
                                    the United States. Because, this is what will keep America strong. This is what reflects the
                                    best in the American people. And this is the core of the national security message that I will
                                    be carrying to all of America throughout this campaign that I am committed to working
                                    constructively with friends and allies around the globe to help people in every corner of
                                    every continent to live in freedom, prosperity and peace. " Gov. Howard Dean, M.D.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 10:48 AM

For those who are not aware of the US campaign contribution laws, an individual can give up to $2,000 to a candidate's campaign. Bush/Cheney fundraisers are getting the max 2,000 from exclusive luncheons, etc. The challenge of Dean this weekend to Cheney's Monday luncheon is to have many voters donate small amounts and equal Cheney's $250,000. Since Friday night, 3,591 people have donate to Dean in this challenge to Cheney. Their average donation has been about $54. That means there is still future donations that can come from the people donating to Dean, up to the 2,000 limit. So far they have raised $195,764.20 online since Friday, with more donations coming in not online.

Small donors is the way Dean's campaign has been funded. The Democratic party money machine that relies on its own fat cat sources is kind of in shock at the grassroots power that Dean has inspired in giving the money power back to the people, instead of having it controlled by the political party. Dean raised over 7 Million in the second quarter of this year, from donations averaging under $100. Those donors not only can continue to give up to the 2,000 limit, but they also each have a vote in the election. This is a history making campaign, folks.

alice

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 11:36 AM

From a Dean flyer on the subject of patriotism:

"If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb
and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
George Washington

"The means of defense against foreign danger
historically have become the instruments of tyranny
at home."
James Madison


"I distrust those people who know so well what
God wants them to do because I notice it always
coincides with their own desires."
Susan B. Anthony

"It is the first responsibility of every citizen
to question authority."
"Those who give up essential Liberty, to purchase
a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty
nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin

"War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward
redressing wrong; and multiplies instead of indemnifying
losses."
Thomas Jefferson

"I am deeply concerned by Bush administration policies
that threaten our basic civil liberties and the freedoms
that we as Americans have fought so hard to protect
throughout our history."
Howard Dean on "homeland security", April 2003


http://dean2004.bmgbiz.net/patriotflyer.pdf


Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: DougR
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 07:33 PM

Alice, I wish you all the best with your quest. I would love to see Dean get the Democratic nomination. Perhaps Bobert could organize a similar campaign to name Nader the candidate for the Green Party too. That would be great also, I think.

I don't know if any of you saw Dean when he made his appearance on "Meet the Press" a few Sundays ago, but I thought Tim Russert hung him out to dry. Just my opinion of course.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 03 - 08:46 PM

Dougie:

First of all, I've missed my ol' pal and it's good to see you in good form...

With that said, guess who declared Dean to have lost the Dean/Bush/Big Media ambush on "Meet the Press"? Big Media, that's who!
Why? Because they are scared of him. Why? Read the words of Dean above in Alice's post and it is very clear that Dean has a very different vision of America that your pro-media consolidation guy, Resident Bust, 'er Bush. Sorry, Freudian slip....

And yeah, Dougie, lots of Greens will be working next year to get Bush out, while doing a much better job of vote brokering to get the necessary 5% to get in the '08 debates. They way your guy is propping his feet up on his desk with that little smirk thinking that '04 is in the bag reminds me of someone.... Like daddy! The recent tax cuts to the rich sealed his fate. He's no very much vulnerable because:

1. Giving money to folks who all rady have so much that they can't spend it won't stimulate the economy any more than a blood transfussion to a dead man will bring him back to life.

2. The American people, according to today's Washington Post, think that the tax cut was wrong and that there are way too many loopholes for corporations and the rich. Looks like '04 could be a ve5ry good year for class warfare.

and...

3. History tends to repeat itself and daddy was a one termer...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:39 AM

The Dean supporters met the Cheney fundraising amount today and went beyond it, with 4,629 voters giving small donations. The total as of 11pm Sunday is $250,733.20. It is Dean's message and the awareness that individuals can come together and raise as much money as the elite fundraisers of Bush/Cheney that inspires the Dean supporters. They are beginning to see that they do have more power when they come together behind a leader that inspires them to take back the power (away from the deep pocket control).

Reverse psychology of saying Dean is the one Repubs want - it is not going to work. GOP are secretly scared as heck that Dean will get the nomination.

They are continuing the fundraiser on the Dean site into Monday to see how much more they can go above Cheney's luncheon.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 10:44 AM

In June, I started investigating what Dean had on his campaign web site, and I took notice that he asked each group of local people who were meeting to support him to find needs in their community for which they could volunteer. I thought, "Wow this guy doesn't want people to just give money and put up signs, he wants them to actively do something good for their home town". Some of the projects that those Dean supporters have done, for example, are cleaning up a creek in Ithaca, NY, and refurbishing a Senior Center in Nasua, NH. Dean is the kind of leader who is inspiring people to come together in a positive way, and take action on their own to do something constructive. He is NOT saying, I'll fix your problems, he is saying, YOU can do something constructive to help yourself and others.

If you want to find or create a local project in your area, you can go to this link and type in your zip code:

action.deanforamerica.com/meet/">http://action.deanforamerica.com/meet/

To find the people who are meeting in your local area, go to dean2004.meetup.com and type in your zip code.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: DougR
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 08:10 PM

Bobert, this is Alice's thread and I'm not going to engage in a debate about whether or not Dean would be a good president. Let's keep the spirit of the thread what she intended ...a rally for support of Dean for the Democratic nomination. Okey dokey?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 08:23 PM

Yo Doug:

I'm with ya' on this one, except I'm pickin' up a little sarcasim on yer part. Heck, if you thought that Dean could beat yer guy, you wouldn't be so cooperative. Face it, the Repubs have let it be known that they would love to have the Dems run Dean. They think Dean is vulnerable because he opposed the pre-emptive attack on a poorly armed country. Well, fine. Deep down inside, they are saying that to scare Dems away from Dean, becuase in their heart of hearts, they know that Dean is the only one out there that can put yer man out to pasture, where he belongs....

The other Dems will just fight each other trying to look more Repub than the others....

I will tell you this, Doug, that we Greens will do what we need to do to get yer guy out.... and you can take that to the bank.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 12:54 AM

Well, the Dean supporters did it.
They were aiming for $250,000 by midnight tonight... they doubled it, so when the clock struck twelve - total
$504,205.38.

There were over nine thousand people who donated since Friday.
The average donation was about $50.
I think that is pretty darn amazing. The DLC (Democratic Leadership Conference), the big money guys of the party are really upset that they may be losing their control to the average American who can donate $50. They're trying to smear Dean with negative labels. You'll see lots of negative spin coming from the DLC gathering that is going on right now, as they are reacting to what is happening across the country and across party lines. It will be interesting to watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: DougR
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 08:29 PM

Nope,Bobert, no sarcasm intended.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 09:05 PM

You a Dean supporter, Dougie? Like have you sent a donation to his campaign? Like do you think he would do a better job running the country than Bush? Like would you vote for him against Bush?

Bobert