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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 25 Aug 03 - 09:58 PM Live real Audio stream of Dean in San Antonio, Texas, now... http://www.websoapbox.com/media/deanforpresident.ram |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 25 Aug 03 - 10:44 PM Next stop for the stump speech - Chicago, then New York City. CSPAN will broadcast the NYC rally live at 10pm ET tomorrow night. If you haven't heard Dean deliver a speech, tune in and be ready to see for yourself what kind of candidate he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: LadyJean Date: 26 Aug 03 - 12:05 AM On Saturday August 23, at Pittsburgh's Rock Against Racism, I endured Rap Music for Howard Dean's sake. (I have nothing against rap music. I just feel no need to hear it. I have the same feeling about easy listening music, which is harder to avoid.) It was an amazingly positive experience. I have joined the Dean campaign. I am working with libertarians, mainstream Democrats, good ole boys, students, and seniors! It's incredible!!!! We had a lot of positive feedback from everyone but the Greens, and one seriously assinine libertarian. Howard Dean can be elected, IF YOU VOTE FOR HIM!!! Get to a meet up, and see what all the fuss is about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 26 Aug 03 - 12:20 AM CSPAN broadcast from Bryant Park in NYC, Tuesday, will be approximately 9:30 - 10 pm ET. Like LadyJean said, "See what all the fuss is about". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Peg Date: 26 Aug 03 - 10:15 AM The medicinal marijuana stance still bugs me. Vermont is one of the only states that had a real chance to push this issue forward to where it logically needs to be: full legal access for patents with doctor's prescriptions and decriminalization (small fines, no jail time) for possession of small amounts for personal use... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Nerd Date: 26 Aug 03 - 01:22 PM Peg, Dean's opinion on the marijuana issue is largely colored by his being a doctor. He does not want the medical use of marijuana to become legal without a clear understanding of what it is good for medically. This would not be an issue if marijuana were not pre-politicized; no one would argue that a new drug invented by Merck should become legal without its being well tested first. Since MJ is illegal to begin with in the US (simply to own it or to grow it), testing it is very difficult. I think that to have a politician say, "it should be tested" is a positive step, and for a doctor it's the only right step. One of my family members, who is a doctor and also believes that drugs should be legalized, still does not want marijuana to be used medically (recommended and prescribed by MDs) until the proper tests and regulations are in place; Dean's position on medical marijuana is thus identical to his, and I think many doctors would agree regardless of where they fall on the drug issue more generally. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Don Firth Date: 26 Aug 03 - 01:45 PM I agree with Nerd on this. But I would consider this a minor matter compared with the many other reasons for a regime change in 2004. To be frank, I would support SpongeBob SquarePants or Howard the Duck if I thought they had a chance of getting the Bush Administration out of there before they can finish turning this country into what they want to turn it into. Of the nine candidates vying for the Democratic nomination, Howard Dean is on my short-list (one of the three best). Even if, in your opinion, he is not "ideal" on every issue (and no candidate ever will in everyone's opinion), it's necessary to keep your eyes on what's really important. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 26 Aug 03 - 02:50 PM As noted in the tech thread I started, I'm having trouble accessing news sites and other web pages today, even though I can get to Mudcat. Can someone check the www.blogforamerica.com page and tell me if they are near reaching the One Million Dollar goal? Thanks. Alice |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Peg Date: 26 Aug 03 - 04:23 PM how much more of a "clear understanding" is needed??? It alleviates nausea in patients undergoing chemotherapy, and restores appetite in people with AIDS. It lessens pain and pressure for glaucoma patients. This has all been documented for years now. What's the hesitation about??? It's because pot can't be patented and put millions in the coffers of some pharmaceutical corporation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Don Firth Date: 27 Aug 03 - 03:04 AM Peg, important as this matter is (and although I don't have any of these particular medical problems myself, I have a couple of friends who have gone through the rigors of chemotherapy, so I am not unsympathetic to the situation), I think there are more important issues at stake. Such as the collapsing economy, the assault on civil liberties, the likelihood of future pre-emptive wars, a reasonable approach to the threat of terrorism, and the esteem of the rest of the world, to mention a few. Let me ask you this: If you had your choice between Bush and Dean, would you vote for Bush because you disagree with Dean about his stand on the marijuana issue? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Amos Date: 27 Aug 03 - 08:49 AM I'd vote for him because I do not wish to see terrorism emanating from the WHite House; reason enough? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 27 Aug 03 - 11:18 AM Update on the challenge to reach the One Million dollar match of small donors against Bush's donors - while Dean was speaking at the last location on his four day tour, Bryant Park in NYC, 17,115 Americans had raised $1,003,620. As of midnight, 17,717 Americans have contributed $1,032,903.94 to the Raise a Million against Bush challenge. The numbers of people signed up at meetup.com to meet on Sept 3 and talk about what they can do for Dean in their community has grown to 92,010. In contrast, Kerry has 9,500. Since June, I have watched the phenomenon of people searching out Dean and his message, clamboring for something they can do to get him elected. My sense then was he is the only one that can beat Bush. I'm convinced of it. Remember that Bush didn't even win the popular vote the first time. If each voter who voted, some reluctantly, for Gore last time, has a candidate they are excited about voting for this time... things will be different for W. The Dean campaign has also brought many new voters out of the woodwork, those who had stopped voting who say they will vote again now, and those who have never registered before. The number of Republicans supporting Dean also tip the scales away from Bush. The huge deficit is a major issue for many conservatives. Check the front page of the New York Times above the fold. It's Dean. Dean is now at 35% in New Hampshire, Kerry at 17%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Nerd Date: 27 Aug 03 - 12:23 PM Peg, Dean has said that he thinks Marijuana will turn out to be a good medicine for Cancer and Aids patients, not so good for glaucoma. I am therefore guessing he has read the studies that have been done on this and has actual medical opinions on the matter. He is not simply mindlessly obstructing the use of MJ for medical reasons. Here once again is his position: I will require the FDA within first 12 months to evaluate marijuana and see if it is, in fact, a decent medicine or not. If it is, for what purposes -- for certain purposes, and I suspect it will be for cancer patients and HIV/AIDS patients. And it should be allowed for that. But I suspect it will not be allowed for things like glaucoma. But we have to do the FDA studies. I think marijuana should be treated like every other drug in the process and there shouldn't be a special process which is based on politics to legalize it. If you're a doctor and you disagree with him, fine. But would you really let that be the issue on which you vote for the U.S. presidency, because under him it might take one year longer to have MJ approved for medical reasons than with another candidate? In any case, Dean's proposition above is the only one that makes any sense. Would you want to set a precedent whereby the president makes executive decisions to suddenly approve medicines WITHOUT the FDA looking at them? Given the size of "Big Pharma" that would REALLY open the floodgates of corruption! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Peg Date: 27 Aug 03 - 05:35 PM first of all, I have not said I would not vote for him based on this one issue; I am commenting upon it because his rhetoric does not ring true. Secondly, one need not be a doctor to be informed about medicinal marijuana; as a freelance writer who has written about health issues I have done a good deal of research on this. Third, Dean claims he wants to FDA to examine whether, in the passage you quote, "it is a decent drug or not." My point is (here it is again) that the information is already out there, and if this guy is a medical professional he should be able to interpret the data that already exists. That is why I think his stance on this issue needs to be more closely examined because he seems to just flip-flop based on what he thinks people want to hear, and is being noncommital about what he actually believes is the right thing to DO. Given a choice between him and Bush, the choice is obvious. But I will not vote for the lesser of two evils; I will vote for the person I think is best for the job who decides to run, no matter what their chances of winning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Don Firth Date: 27 Aug 03 - 05:44 PM It's damned unfortunate, but within recent years sometimes the lesser of two evils is the only choice that is given to us. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Big Mick Date: 28 Aug 03 - 09:47 AM Precisely, which is why I want to know one thing. Which of the current crop of alternatives can win? I like this man, but I am not affected by the current "he can do it" kind of worship I am seeing. I agree that he is a marvelous candidate, and I am grateful for those who are working hard for his candidacy. But how the faithful perceive him won't get him elected. It is how the undecided and swing voters see him. Lest anyone think that I am just being negative, I must tell you that he reminds me a great deal of Carter and Clinton at this stage of their Presidential campaigns. By that I mean that he is building a steady groundswell of support. But don't wash out Kerry just yet. It is early, and politics are an ungrateful lover. Keep up the good work on behalf of your candidate, folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 28 Aug 03 - 11:16 AM Re: undecided and swing voters and Dean. The latest Zogby poll out yesterday states: Full results of the New Hampshire Zogby poll referenced in ... New York Times (Aug 27) are now available online. The results, with available June numbers in parenthesis: Dean 38% (June 22) Kerry 17 (June 25) Lieberman 6 (June 10) Gephardt 6 (June 7) Edwards 4 (June 2) John Zogby says of the results: "This is stunning. Dean's surge seems to be at a heavy cost to Kerry, who led Dean in previous New Hampshire polling. Dean has also taken from Gephardt's standing, and from the undecideds. His support is really across the board … both Congressional districts, men and women, Democrats and independents, liberals and moderates. He's the candidate to watch at the top of the scale, while some of those down the line might re-think their candidacy at this point." Dean is appealing to many swing voters - independents and Republicans concerned about the deficit and the Patriot Act; he has also brought in voters that were apathetic until finding his campaign. See http://republicansfordean.blogspot.com/ http://deanindependents.org/ http://expats4dean.blogspot.com/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 28 Aug 03 - 12:33 PM Today's MSNBC.com column by Howard Fineman says in part: "Party leaders — such as they are — once dismissed Dean's anti-war based message as too narrow and liberal to reach the Democratic mainstream, let alone the swing voters in swing states the Dems need to win the White House back. That argument looks fatuous now, with public patience with the war in Iraq eroding, and with the combat deaths and financial costs mounting steadily. In the latest polls, by Newsweek and others, his views... are as mainstream as can be." Full article From Player to Front Runner http://www.msnbc.com/news/957948.asp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Don Firth Date: 28 Aug 03 - 12:43 PM As far as Dean's electability is concerned, I keep hearing that he's too far to the left and people won't accept him. Who keeps saying this? As far as I can tell, it's Republicans hoping against hope and members of the Democratic Party who are having an identity crisis about what party they really belong to—the one's who miraculously manage to walk upright despite their lack of spines. I quoted this above about six weeks ago, but I think it merits re-quoting. And perhaps being made into a sampler to hang on the walls in every Democrat's home or office. When voters are given a choice between voting for a Republican, or a Democrat who acts like a Republican, they'll vote for the Republican every time.My three favorite candidates are Dennis Kocinich, Howard Dean, and John Kerry in that order. I don't think Kocinich has a chance of being nominated because he is so outspoken that, although what he says is right on the button, I think he scares people (so in a sense I'm going against my own principle). What Kerry says is pretty good and he has a good, solid background, but as far as I can tell, he has waged a lack-luster campaign so far. He could improve, I guess, when time gets shorter. My fourth and fifth picks would be Sharpton (I like what he says, but I don't know if he has the necessary skills for the job) and Carol Moseley Braun, but I don't think they have a ghost of a chance of even getting nominated. The rest seem to be a sort of faceless mush. Howard Dean's positions are good ones (which is to say, I agree with most of his positions), he obviously has the governing skills (proven), he has an excellent record (his accomplishments in his home state which I regard as very positive), he obviously has the drive, and he obviously has a lot of support early on. I'm open, but so far, Howard Dean looks very good to me. In the meantime, despite what you're liable to hear on Fox News, Bush's approval rating is sinking like a rock. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Nerd Date: 28 Aug 03 - 02:00 PM Hi Peg Sorry if I misconstrued what you said. Obviously, if another of the candidates comes down closer to you on the issues you care about, you must vote for that person. I would, however, dispute your claim that as a freelance writer your investigations of the research on MJ are on the same order as a doctor's knowledge. Most journalists who write about medical topics get things wrong from the get-go, saying things like "Study shows Broccoli may cure Cancer" when the study really shows that people who ate more broccoli and other high-fiber foods (among other things) got less cancer of the colon. Even in the highest-profile places, such as CNN and the New York Times, medical reporting nearly always distorts the findings of the studies it cites. My family is friends with a health writer for the NY Times, for example, and my father one of the MDs she has often consulted. But she makes gaffes all the time, and almost always they are along the lines of exaggerating the conclusiveness of the evidence. I would be inclined to take Dean's word over yours on how conclusive the evidence really is. By the way, having the FDA evaluate marijuana does not necessarily mean having them do new studies. It can simply mean evaluating it based on the studies you are citing as the sources for your own knowledge. If the doctors, scientists and public health officials at the FDA think that evidence is conclusive, they may not need to do any other studies. I would be inclined to take THEIR word on this over Dean's, and obviously Dean himself feels the same way, a healthy sign of humility, I think. Finally, my point was also that, even if Dean is 100% convinced by studies that have already been done, he cannot simply make MJ a legal medicine without having the FDA examine it. Otherwise, another president (let's say George W. Bush) could simply make another drug legal without having the FDA look at it. Dean's point is that the process must be the same, and people asking for MJ to be certified for medical use by another process are opening a dangerous door, giving politicians more control than they should have over medicine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Peg Date: 28 Aug 03 - 07:07 PM Hiya Nerd; with all due respect, I am not only a freelance writer but one whose loved ones have had the very conditions which medicinal marijuana is prescribed for, so maybe have a bit more closeness to the issue. I have also studied alternative medicine and am a healer in my own right. Also, I have met doctors who, despite their medical degress, ahd little to no practical knowledge about nutrition, sexuality, immune system health, you name it. I think our society in general places too much faith in someone just because they have a piece of paper in their hand that says they know such and such. A doctor necessarily has knowledge of internal medicine and anatomy, but, unless they have specifically gone to soem effort to stufy the data and efficacy of medicinal marijuana, and that includes anecdotal reports, then they are no more qualified, and perhaps less so, than I am to speak on the subject. Just as an endocrinologist will have knowledge a gynecologist does not, and vice versa. Why should Dean be better able to address this issue than a layperson who has studied it to a greater degree than he has? That doesn't even make sense. There are plenty of incarcerated prisoners who, after years of studying law books on their own, make beter lawyers than the ones who represented their cases in the first palce. Knowledge and wisdom are not automatically conferred by a title or even a formalized education. here's a bet to place some money on: ask your average GP how to deal with a digestive complaint and odds are they will say nothing about nutrition. Doctors can be great; but they can also be woefully misinformed (just as you're claiming "health writers" can be) and unable to deal with things on the most pragmatic level. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Amos Date: 28 Aug 03 - 07:13 PM Marijuana aside, I think we ought to get Govnuh Dean to drop by at the FSGW Getaway this fall; he's a blues guitarist, and would be meeting a lot of his own kind of folks from all over the nation. Peg -- you want a challenge?? :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 28 Aug 03 - 07:35 PM New poll today in Iowa: Des Moines KCCI NewsChannel 8 poll, with June's results in parenthesis. Dean 25% (June 11) Gephardt 21 (June 27) Kerry 16 (June 14) Lieberman 12 (June 10) Edwards 6 (June 4) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Nerd Date: 28 Aug 03 - 09:38 PM Okay, Peg. But Dean, who is a doctor, and who has been asked to express an opinion about Medical Marijuana, has specifically stated that he believes it will be found useful for cancer and aids patients, but not for glaucoma. This to me suggests that he has actually read the studies of MJ. Otherwise, why add these details? That's why I believe he actually HAS researched this. My point was that even when medical journalists do read studies, they almost always misconstrue or misreport the findings of said studies, and almost always exaggerate the good or bad qualities they are commenting on. Doctors, in my experience, are much more careful about this. Your statement is "A doctor necessarily has knowledge of internal medicine and anatomy, but, unless they have specifically gone to soem effort to stufy the data and efficacy of medicinal marijuana, and that includes anecdotal reports, then they are no more qualified, and perhaps less so, than I am to speak on the subject." I agree in part with this, but the effort is not that hard to go to, and I suspect Dean, as a doctor AND a governor, who has had to make policy calls on issues like this, has either read the studies himself or had a staffer supply him with a good summary. He also has the advantage of that superior knowledge of internal medicine and anatomy, which is not irrelevant to the effects of marijuana. My other point is the one you still haven't responded to: All Dean has said is that in the first twelve months he will have the FDA make a ruling on the use of medical marijuana. Surely he can't promise anything more than this, no matter how convinced he is of marijuana's usefulness. The president simply does not and shoukd not have the power to make independent rulings on on individual drugs. So exactly what do you want a candidate to say? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 29 Aug 03 - 07:02 PM Some interesting videos on this site... http://switch2dean.com/ Fed-up Republicans, Greens, Independents, Democrats, in their own words tell why they switched to Dean. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 29 Aug 03 - 10:52 PM Well, considering it is Labor Day weekend, here is a bit of news that concerns employees in the US. THE GRINCH THAT STOLE LABOR DAY by Greg Palast, Aug 29 In celebration of the working person's holiday, Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao has announced the Bush Administration's plan to end the 60-year-old law which requires employers to pay time-and-a-half for overtime.... (read more) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 29 Aug 03 - 11:08 PM Ok, 'Catters, here is a chance to let your talent shine.... http://songsfordean.com/ and to get those songs sung, the sister site is... http://sing.songsfordean.com/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Peg Date: 30 Aug 03 - 10:37 AM Amos: that would be so cool! Maybe he could work the Getaway into his tour? Nerd: good points all, and clearly Dean has done *some* homework on this, but he really seems to be passing the buck by deferring to the FDA (but at least he acknowledges some usefulness for cancer patients). I stand by my original assertion that Dean CAN make a stronger, more comprehensive pronouncement on this issue because the data is already there; data that he, as a doctor, could easily have access to and interpret. The research has been done. The FDA has become little more than a rubber-stamp figurehead for the development and manufacture of profitable new drugs. It's a controversial for any candidate, so most of them play it safe just like Dean is doing. I just wish one of them would step up to the plate for once. The pharmaceutical lobby is powerful (and increasingly evil) beyond anyone's dreams. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Don Firth Date: 30 Aug 03 - 01:07 PM Just a thought. If Dean were to come out in favor of medical marijuana right now, can you imagine what the Republicans (or, for the matter, other Democratic hopefuls) would make of it!?? No matter what he really thinks, Dean is wise to stay cool and loose on this issue. Unfortunately, that's the political reality. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 02 Sep 03 - 11:00 AM If you want to see who the other Dean supporters are in your state, you can sign up to Dean Links, a way to contact people without showing your email address to the public. This is a good way to get connected and see what people are doing in your area, even if you don't attend the meetups. DEAN LINKS, a way to meet Dean supporters in your area. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 02 Sep 03 - 12:26 PM Over 100,000 people are now signed up at meetup.com to meet every first Wednesday evening in their town, working for Dean's election. There are people not only in the US, but expats all over the world getting together through meetup. Zounds! An exclamation Dean made in an early appearance when he arrived to see a huge crowd assembled to listen to him. Zounds! has become kind of an inside joke because the Dean supporters are amazed again and again by how huge the crowds are and how fast the support is growing. (By the way, there are about 1,000 people at meetup.com for Bush, less people than those in the knitting groups.) Want a tee shirt? At cost, no markup... ZOUNDS! President DEAN September 20 is visiblity Day - posting a Dean sign, wearing a Dean shirt, button, or cap, putting a sticker on your car. You can get more items at www.demstore.com. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 02 Sep 03 - 12:50 PM Transcript from the Sept 1 interview of Howard Dean on CNN - some hardballs thrown by Judy Woodruff, hit nicely by the Gov. http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0309/01/se.02.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 03 - 08:40 PM OF interest on the cannabis thread drift is this page at Wired discussing the Nederlands leaglization of medical marijuana. S |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 02 Sep 03 - 10:01 PM Over 5,000 people signed up for meetup.com for Dean, just today! That's huge. The total is now up to 103,248, and at the rate people are signing up, there will be many more by the meetings tomorrow night. This is history in the making, folks. No other campaign has ever mobilized the number of grassroots people actively volunteering so early in a primary campaign. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 03 - 10:03 PM Rock on!!! That is very heartening... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 03 Sep 03 - 03:20 PM Zounds again! Over ten thousand people have joined Dean's meetup meetings in the last four days. The total now is well over 105,000. This is not just an internet phenomenon... these people are meeting face to face in their local communities and taking action to support Dean's campaign. Here is an interesting article in the Guardian about the Bush family dynamics - a link someone posted to the Dean blog. I find interesting links reading the blog, just like on Mudcat. http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1033771,00.html Click here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Amos Date: 03 Sep 03 - 04:51 PM ALice: Excellent description,that article -- fits everything I have seen. Sheesh! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Nerd Date: 04 Sep 03 - 12:24 PM Alice, that CNN transcript is great... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Susan A-R Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:59 PM I am fascinated as I watch Dean's campaign unfold. I like a lot of what he is saying. I've lived in Vermont and watched Dean since he was Lieutenant Governor and I don't recognize this fellow. He's generally been moderate to the point of being borderline republican here in VT. I guess folks from Arkansas didn't recognize Clinton either. And they say, come across as liberal in the primaries and conservative in the general election. Oh well. If he comes up with the Democratic nomination, I'll work for him, but if I'm looking for a true liberal/progressive with smarts, Dennis is my man. Susan A-R |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: DougR Date: 05 Sep 03 - 01:04 AM Alice: sorry to jump into your thread again, but do you really think providing a blue clicky to an article by an author, a psychologist who NEVER personally interviewed the President of the United States lends a lot to your support of Governor Dean? This biased article only offers projections of the authors opinion of GWB. Are they any more credible than yours? Or mine? You don't have to try to convince the majority of the Mudcat that they shouldn't vote for Bush in the next election. They wouldn't anyway! :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 06 Sep 03 - 10:40 PM Hi, Doug, Mudcat is lefty territory, and I commend you for your valor and integrity dealing with these Democratic threads. Whether it is JFK, Nixon, Clinton, or W. Bush, they are public figures who make their character, actions, and words a matter of public record. We, in turn, can all make our judgements about their character based on the many details they reveal about themselves. More on Dean.... he just won the Democratic straw poll in Tennessee. The top three vote getters were: Dean 348 Gephardt 232 Edwards 125 Heh, heh.... that's the South, folks. Who is unelectable now? Alice |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 06 Sep 03 - 10:42 PM More details on the straw poll: HOWARD DEAN WINS TENNESSEE STRAW POLL Howard dean handily won the straw poll of today's 2003 Democratic Party Labor Day celebration, sponsored by numerous labor unions. In attendance was Governor Phil Bredesen, and Congressmen Harold Ford, Bart Gordon and John Tanner. This event is the real deal in Tennessee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 07 Sep 03 - 12:07 AM The latest Zogby American poll came out today: [L]ikely Democratic primary voters give a plurality of their support to former Vermont Governor Dr. Howard Dean (16%), whose campaign has been gathering support in recent polling. He is followed by Massachusetts Senator John Kerry (13%), Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman (12%), and Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt (8%). No other candidate polled more than 3%. The same nationwide survey also asked Americans how they would vote if they had to choose today: Just two in five (40%) said they would choose Bush if the election were held today, while 47% said they would elect a Democratic candidate. In August polling, respondents were split (43% each) over President Bush or any Democratic challenger. Here is a link to the Zogby site with details on the poll: Click here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 16 Sep 03 - 01:19 PM As of this morning, 401,287 American voters have joined the Dean campaign. These are the "little people", the ones who can't give $2000 to a campaign luncheon, but can give $10 or $20 a month as well as their time, effort, voices, hearts, and minds. Person by person, they are building a populist movement. The campaign goal is 450,000 people signed up by the end of September. If you or someone you know needs more information about Dean, go to www.deanforamerica.com. Alice |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: TIA Date: 16 Sep 03 - 02:40 PM Hey Greens and other third-party supporters: Please join this effort. Dean is not politics as usual (Demo or Repo). Watch how the other Dems are beginning to trash him. They do not see him as one of them. That sure as hell appeals to me (a non-Demo). The other Dems are simply Bush Lite. Dean is beginning to appear as the best candidate for the AnyoneButBush party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 16 Sep 03 - 05:01 PM Today I was on the phone with Governor Dean. What can I say... it all seemed calm, cool, and normal, to just be on a conference call with him and others. He told us what volunteers need to focus on before the end of Sept. and answered some questions like the candidacy of Clark (he said Clark is a good man, not worried because it is so late to come in to the campaign). Sept 29 is the day we will meet at house parties and take a conference call with Gov. Dean, an attempt to break the Guinness World record for the number of people on a conference call... and raise at least $200 from each house party. I'm opening my house to others here who want to be in on the conference call on the speaker phone. Look in your area and you may be able to find one you can attend (or start one). www.deanforamerica.com/housecall The campaign is also sending a Dean DVD out to each host so we can watch a presentation. Campaigning has never been so much fun. As I said earlier in this thread, I am seeing a lot of Republicans and former Bush voters fed up and checking out Dean. It is something the Gov mentioned on the phone today, too. He is hearing first hand from people who are Republicans or have relatives who are Republicans who are going to support him. It is similar to the way some Democrats went for Reagan.... but these Republicans are concerned about fiscal responsibility and truth about Iraq. ALice |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Alice Date: 17 Sep 03 - 10:41 AM If you are any where near New York City on Sept. 20, you might want to catch this event at the Avalon in Manhattan. The Avalon is new, and Dean supporters are getting an exclusive entry. To guarantee admission, pre-register here: http://www.deanforamerica.com/avalon Click here For a small donation, Dean supporters can hear Governor Dean as he speaks live to his hometown New York crowd at the Avalon, joined by performers Al Franken, Phoebe Snow, Gloria Gaynor, and more. Alice |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: GUEST,pdq Date: 17 Sep 03 - 03:09 PM 71 posts (and counting) on one thread? Now soliciting money. We need a new category to go with "music" and "B.S.": "paid advertising". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: Amos Date: 17 Sep 03 - 03:52 PM No, we don't PDQ -- this is a legitimate exercise of open-forum dialogue. As something other than music, it qualifies to be listed under the salt, but nothing more than that is needed. Let me point out that the Mother of All BS threads has over 1000 posts. I saw no objection there from you. Hmmm? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog From: GUEST,pdq Date: 17 Sep 03 - 04:22 PM Back to square one. Alice personally made 71 out of the first 147 posts. That is not an open forum, that is despotism. "For a small donation, Dean supporters can hear Governor Dean as he speaks..." - quote Alice in 10:41 post Asking for money on top of the endless advocacy is over the line, IMO. |
