BS: Howard Dean's Blog

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Amos
Date: 17 Sep 03 - 05:02 PM

PDQ: As far as I am concerned she is doing a public service; and dialogue is usually provided half and half between two people, so your numbers do not support your argument; Alice is having a dialogue with the Mudcat, and the Mudcat is ahead, 71 to 76.

Besides, she was promoting an opportunity, not asking for money -- why is ithat any worse than telling folks they can have a CD for a small donation?

'Course, you could just send in the money and forego the exchange, if you so desired...


:>)


A

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 17 Sep 03 - 05:02 PM

pdq, there are events posted to Mudcat that require a fee to enter. The one I described for New York has some performers Mudcatters might like to see and hear. If this thread annoys you so much, why do you read it? There are many other threads on the forum you could read instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Sep 03 - 09:48 PM

Unless I missed something, GUEST,pdq, I don't see Alice standing there with a baseball bat, threatening violence to anybody who might want to post to this thread. In fact, quite a few people have, including you. That looks like an open forum to me.

I'm curious to know what you mean by by "despotism."

People who have been critical of the Bush administration are often called "unpatriotic" by some folks. Is "despotism" something like that?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 17 Sep 03 - 09:56 PM

Quite true, Alice, and I do believe I made my point politely. I also have the right to make my point(s). Actually, I find charm in the fact that Dean IS the only Democrat running who is not a party insider. He is also an MD. This thread also constitutes free ad time, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 17 Sep 03 - 10:16 PM

Having hitherto been fascinated by Alice's stamina/obsession, I must say that I too found something faintly undefying about the post at which pdq bridled. Just not quite enough to revive the thread.

But I fear the game is up, Alice. I've seen Dean in action, and now I've seen Clark, and I fear your man will be blown away by the soldier, despite all that hard work. It's simply no contest. I'm not saying Clark will get the nomination, but if someone else does, it will be someone we haven't seen yet. It doesn't mean either that I'm a huge fan of Clark, though I do think that both he and Dean make Bush look pretty inadequate. They're probably the strongest Democrat candidates I've seen in recent years (Clinton excepted of course).

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 17 Sep 03 - 10:21 PM

Sorry, Don, your post snuck in while I was not looking. Maybe I got "despotism" from the same place that "anal-retentive demogogic pedant" and other classic names come from: Mudcat Forum! Looking foreward to a good arguement some place in the future. Not here.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: GUEST,Deanmeister
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 02:21 AM

Fionn, in his speech Clark stole every point and even some slogans (we can do better!) from Dean. If he blows Dean away, it will be because people are duped into thinking an ex-soldier is better qualified than a doctor, despite theiridentical positions.

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 02:32 AM

Deanmeister, you can't be serious. Do you think that Dean is the only person with these types of views? Or that he was the original author of much of what he espouses? Your post reads like a person who is worried. I think these are two fine candidates, and Dean comes out on the stronger side from the standpoint of enunciating a position and a plan......for now. In the end those things will be important, but won't be decisive. It will be appeal to a large number of intangibles that add up to the "Walter Cronkite factor". The great middle will go for the person they are most comfortable with. Were I advising Dr. Dean, this is where I would advise him to put his effort. I know his forthrightness is refreshing, I must admit that it appeals to me ...strongly, I might add. But for all his appeal, at this point he makes many folks a bit uncomfortable. This must be overcome if he is to stay in the lead.

Clark will be a major factor. So much so that you might see a new Bush ticket with Cheney getting bounced in favor of a Colin Powell. Long shot, but let's see how it plays out.

Alice.......keep up the advocacy on behalf of you candidate, no matter what is said here.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: curmudgeon
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 08:42 AM

Mick --- Bush without Cheney would be like Charlie McCarthy without Edgar Bergen.

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with you -- Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 18 Sep 03 - 10:37 AM

I'm a political news junkie like many Mudcatters. Judging from the personal messages I've gotten regarding this thread (all positive), there are many lurkers who read but don't post who appreciated the news updates I posted. Adding info for a MUSIC event in New York was even more Mudcat appropriate. You've watched my development from interest in June, finding out what Dean is about, to being more involved. I've kept my comments and opinions in this thread rather than starting numerous threads on the topic. I followed the PEL problem in England with the same zeal as I have the Dean campaign. Hey, friends, it is the future of our country at stake and the future of our influence on the world. Knowing as much as we can know about the candidates is important. Being aware of issue statements is important. Hearing their speeches is important. Reading their press releases is important. I listen to the other Dem candidates and what Bush et.al. say, not just Dean. Dean is a new figure on the scene. If he goes up against Bush in the next election (or as Clark's VP) the more we know about him the better. If I was in New York, I'd go see Phoebe Snow and Al Franken and pay a small donation to get in to the show, even if I was a Clark or Kerry supporter.


Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 24 Sep 03 - 04:09 PM

More from Howard Dean's Blog... CSPAN has archived the video of Dean's speech in Boston this week. If you haven't heard him speak, this is a good opportunity.
Link:
http://video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/idrive/project/c04/c04092303_dean.rm

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Text excerpts from the speech are here:
Click here

Democracy, Freedom, Action

"Our founders understood that threat. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson spoke of the fear that economic power would one day seize political power.

"That fear has been realized with the Bush administration.

"Under the Bush Administration, the largest corporations and the wealthiest individuals benefit from tax-cuts that are bankrupting the states and starving Social Security, Medicare, and our public schools.

"These tax cuts reward the largest political contributors at the expense of today's middle class, whose property taxes are skyrocketing.

"The flood of special interest money into Washington has transformed the system of American government from a government participated in by all to a government accessible to only a few.

"The oil companies write our energy policy; big pharmaceutical companies draft Medicare reform without price controls; and in Iraq, Halliburton is awarded a $1.7 billion no-bid contract........

"A true Patriot Act is not born out of fear, but out of trust; it is not born out of division, but out of community; it is not born out of suspicion, but out of faith in each of us.

"We need to remind this administration what a Patriot Act is.

"A neighbor lends a hand to a friend in need that is a Patriot Act.

"A mother struggles for her children's future that is a Patriot Act.

"An immigrant becomes a member of our American family that is a Patriot Act.

"Men and women risk life and limb on behalf of our country through our armed services that is a Patriot Act.

"Americans come together as a community and as a country to declare their values, their rights, and their very independence that is a Patriot Act, as it was in 1776 and as it is over two hundred years later and as it will be, through our actions, over two hundred years from now. "..........
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Hearing the full speech in Dean's voice gives you more of a clear impression of the character of this man.


Alice

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 08:35 PM

Here is an article on The New Republic that I found through Howard Dean's blog. It is a report about the Electoral College, asking DOES THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE FAVOR DEAN?: http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml?pid=811 Click here

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Oct 03 - 09:16 PM

"Hey, friends, it is the future of our country at stake and the future of our influence on the world. Knowing as much as we can know about the candidates is important. Being aware of issue statements is important. Hearing their speeches is important. Reading their press releases is important."

Ever since the shrub and his cabal got in (by whatever method) this country has been circling the drain. If it is ever to be saved from going all the way down the pipe, it will be by people like Alice who educate themselves in what's really going on and who get involved. I think that's what they meant by "an informed electorate."

Thank you, Alice!! And may your tribe increase!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Howard Dean's Blog
From: Alice
Date: 07 Oct 03 - 07:51 PM

Here is a link to the "Live at the Avalon" video - performances by Phoebe Snow, Al Franken, and more.

http://www.HowardDean.tv/v2/index.asp