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Subject: Lyr Add: LISTON'S BEAUTIFUL MAID From: pavane Date: 10 Aug 01 - 08:04 AM Another cat song, but this one is distinctly fishy. Sorry, I don't yet have a tune, and even if we find one to the original Beautiful Maid, it wouldn't fit! Maybe someone knows the answer.
I presume that there must be a type of fish which was once called a maid? Otherwise none of it would make sense!
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: Charley Noble Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:41 AM Does anyone know what kind of fishy dish was "a beautiful maid"? Clearly not a Sole, shrimp or salmon. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:43 AM mermaid? RtS |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: MMario Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:55 AM Alewife? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: masato sakurai Date: 10 Aug 01 - 12:51 PM I'm not sure this is the one because I don't know its words or music, but let me tell you. F. Brunnings' Folk Song Index says that there is one song of the same title "The Beautiful Maid" in the songbook *The Musical Gem* (3 vols. in one). Possibly the music is there.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: Charley Noble Date: 10 Aug 01 - 03:15 PM MMario – a maid is not a wife! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: MMario Date: 10 Aug 01 - 03:26 PM not if hubby is doing his job, no... okay - according to the Marine Recreational Fisheries Statistics Survey - a "Fair Maid" is a SCUP which is a STENOTOMUS CHRYSOPS, also known as a Porgy |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: pavane Date: 10 Aug 01 - 04:10 PM See - I knew it was a fish |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: Charley Noble Date: 10 Aug 01 - 05:29 PM Not a bad catch, MMario. I wonder what they look like, a modest blushing pink? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: pavane Date: 13 Aug 01 - 05:14 AM In Britain, SCUD is another name for the 'horse mackerel' According to this page, Fair Maid at the Exploding Dictionary, a Fair Maid is the European Pilchard, when dried. (Clupea pilchardus) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: pavane Date: 13 Aug 01 - 05:16 AM Oh - is see, SCUP is a US fish. (not Scud!). I think the song is likely to be about the UK variety though! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 13 Aug 01 - 09:18 AM The original song would be Thomas Dibdin's THE BEAUTIFUL MAID; you can see sheet music at The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music: THE BEAUTIFUL MAID. A Favourite Ballad Words by T. Dibdin, music by J. Braham. "As sung by Mr. Braham at the Theatre Royal Covent Garden in the Comic Opera of The Cabinet." |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: pavane Date: 13 Aug 01 - 10:53 AM Thanks Malcolm. And I never did get a reply from my Email to Levy about My Johnny was a Shoemaker. Why do people give contact email addresses when they don't intend to reply? In contrast, Mike Heaney at the Bodley Library has been very helpful. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: pavane Date: 13 Aug 01 - 10:57 AM Looking at the sheet music, it WOULD fit. All the text copies I have seen for Beautiful Maid leave out the repeated lines which are shown in the score! So if anyone would like to transcribe the tune to abc or MIDI format, we will have the tune as well. Another Result! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: masato sakurai Date: 13 Aug 01 - 11:24 AM I've found the original "Beautiful Maid" in a songkook: J.L. Hatton & Eaton Faning, eds., Songs of England, vol. 2 (Boosey & Hawkes, n.d., p. 90). Words and melody are the same as those of the one in the Levy Collection; piano arrangement is very similar but not exactly the same. The composer is "Braham," while there is no mention of the lyricist (just a blank). |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 13 Aug 01 - 02:17 PM This is the way the verses were sung in the Dibdin/ Braham song:
When absent from her my soul, my soul holds most dear
Thomas Dibdin (1771-1841) was an illegitimate son of the entertainer and songwriter Charles Dibdin (who wrote Tom Bowling et al.) He was extremely prolific, having apparantly written some two hundred operas and plays and over two thousand songs; many, like this one, long forgotten.
John Braham (properly, Abraham), 1774-1856, was a renowned tenor and composer, The Death of Nelson being one of his most successful pieces.
It seems unlikely that either this song or its parody ever made it into tradition, or lasted long there if they did. For what it's worth, I've made a midi from the notation at Levy, which, until it gets to the Mudcat Midi Pages, can be heard via the South Riding Folk Network site: One verse only; I have not transcribed the accompaniment. In one or two places the image is too indistinct to be absolutely certain of the note values, so there may be one or two small inaccuracies. In one bar I have omitted a long run of grace-notes which the midi-writing software won't fit in without considerable messing about; I don't feel inclined to spend that much time on it. The song is fast-paced, so the midi is set to run at 75 rather than 100. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Liston's Beautiful Maid (a cat song) From: pavane Date: 13 Aug 01 - 05:00 PM I only posted it as a 'cat' song! But this has been interesting. Thanks Malcolm |
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