Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02

Subject: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Junebird
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 04:33 PM

I'm trying to track the source, title, etc. of the actual melody in this midi. It's NOT Laurie's melody and NOT the
Brothers Four melody that matches the lyrics submitted. Is this an old Scottish song, maybe with another name? Anyone on this? Thanks.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 04:44 PM

Is there an old thread where this was first discussed?

~S~

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 04:44 PM

... and have you PMed Sorcha to ask her about her submission?

~S~

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:06 PM

Don't ask ME to remember!!! Find the old thread where I posted it...I 'should' have put the source in the post but sometimes I forget...I'm Old!!! I used to have a brain cell but it got lonely and went walkabout!!!

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:19 PM

www.rose.edu/faculty/gjackson/flag.htm

Check #36 there. Just a guess on my part.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Junebird
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:48 PM

#36 is not a match, but thanks, Peace. Nice try. There are lots of songs with "green fields" or "greenfields" in the title. In an extensive web search, so far Mudcat is the only place I've found the particular melody I'm trying to identify.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 06:01 PM

How can one find it here?

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Junebird
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 10:55 PM

Click on "midi" in the third column on the Mudcat Cafe home page. Select the letter "O." It's listed as "Once there were green fields." This title and the lyrics they're from appear not to be correct. Thanks for your interest.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 11:32 PM

When asking a question, please do start by providing at least the basic information we need to help you. Don't make us waste time in guessing what you might be talking about.

Somebody else can provide links to previous Forum discussions and to the DT file. The midi in question is not the tune for (Once there were) Green Fields, but for The Green Fields of Summer (words by Paul Francis Webster, music by Dimitri Tiomkin), which was also recorded by The Brothers Four. It featured notably in the John Wayne film The Alamo.

How it wound up linked to the wrong song in the DT I don't know, but there are many such errors there.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 11:39 PM

neophytes - like SORCHA - and no screening by folk-literate scholars - just a bunch of joe clones bumping into each other - it has become a hilarious comedy

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 11:45 PM

Dang. Starting at 1:16 on the midi is a song I have heard before. This is gonna keep me awake. Something with the word 'summer' in it. Like it was from a movie, maybe. (The last days of summer, da da da da da da.?????????????????.) We need lotsa ears on that midi starting at 1:16 minutes into the midi.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Peace
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 11:46 PM

Malcolm. I had not seen your post because I was listening to the midi. THANK YOU. I can sleep tonight.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Jul 06 - 11:52 PM

Did the Neophyte Sorcha hear something from Outer Space??? Where was Gest when the request was made? Did IT help? What is it's response time?

Gest Guest, get a name or just bugger OFF, you neophyte you. You are so sorry you don't even have a real name.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 12:18 AM

Sorcha is no "neophyte". She's been here longer than I have, and has helped a great many people with their questions over a good few years.

The problem, historically, is that far too much material has been incorporated, uncritically and unchecked, into the permanent database; and that that database, because of the obsolete format in which it is held, cannot be updated piecemeal.

As a result, it can take years for an error to be corrected; meanwhile, that error will be copied (usually without attribution) onto any number of websites. Dick Greenhaus is currently looking into ways of remedying the DT's inadequacies in this respect. He never intended the DT to be "an authority", but, like it or not, people regard it as such; so the matter must be addressed.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 12:32 AM

Our "Guest" is Gargoyle, not GEST (a good source of Newfoundland music).

Gargoyle is certainly right that it's screwed up. The tune being discussed is http://www.mudcat.org/midi/midifiles/greenfld.mid (click). The file name is misleading. The title of the song is "The Green Leaves of Summer," with words by Paul Francis Webster and music by Dmitri Tiomkin (1960). It was used on the soundtrack of the movie The Alamo. It and "Green Fields" were both recorded by the Brothers Four in the early 1960's or so. This was a long time ago, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for the muddled minds of our generation to remember the differences between the two songs.

I fixed the entry on the Mudcat MIDIs database so it won't be so misleading.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 12:35 AM

LOL

It reminds me of the Dylan lines:

"And soon the situation there was all but straightened out
For he was always known to lend a helping hand."

(That is in reference to me."

Well, at last we know.

Subject: RE: Green Fields Midi from Sorcha 17 Apr 02
From: Junebird
Date: 23 Jul 06 - 02:13 AM

Thanks to all who helped straighten this out.    I really appreciate it.