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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Wessex Date: 18 May 09 - 08:06 AM I see in the Telegraph that the website run by British National Party is the most visited website of any UK political party, with more hits than all other parties put together, a survey has found. Hitwise, the online competitive intelligence service, said that more than seven times as many visitors click on to the BNP's site as for the Labour Party and almost three times as many as for the Conservatives. The study of over eight million internet accounts found that people who struggle to hold down a rewarding or well paying job, and rely on state benefits and the council for their accommodation were most likely to visit the site. However, nearly a quarter of the site's visitors are people who have successfully established themselves and their families in comfortable suburban homes. Young and well educated city dwellers are also over-represented amongst visitors to the BNP's homepage. The proportion of the site's visitors that come from the middle classes is also increasing: 59pc are from the more affluent ABC1 social groups, and this figure is up from 50pc two years ago, Hitwise said. Says it all really. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Gervase Date: 18 May 09 - 08:42 AM Aye, I'm an ABC1, I suppose (although that demographic usage is no longer used) - and I look at the BNP site. Most people with an abhorrence of fascism and extremism do look at it, because it's good to know the enemy. The 'official' face of the BNP is hugely sanitised, however, since Grifin went to great pains to try to present fascism in an acceptable form. The party's guidelines on language and discipline are quite instructive; here's the take on anti-Semitism for example: we do not believe that Jews per se are bad, though we do, of course, reserve the right to condemn individual Jews that are doing something bad. Because of the inflammatory nature of this issue, as well as the party's past, it is best to simply never speak or write of Jews at all. If you want to see the true face of the BNP, however, you need to look at the efforts of the party's supporters on YouTube, and read the endorsements. You'll not find a more illiterate, hate-filled torrent of bilge. It also illustrates what is so bloody ludicrous about the party's political posturing - the rank and file are far too ignorant and incompetent to even think about running anything. No doubt the BNP's share of the vote will increase on June 4th, but if ever the party found itself in power in any local authority you'd see the whole thing collapse in a mess of back-biting and vitriolic recrimination. The popular myth is that the Nazis made the trains run on time. Britain's neo-Nazis couldn't even run a train set. They're nasty, dangerous thugs in a street fight, but they're a long way from posing a political threat - the only present danger is their ability to drag mainstream parties farther to the right in a shabby effort to court the votes of the Daily Express reading lumpenproletariat. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Fred McCormick Date: 18 May 09 - 09:23 AM Gervaise. I agree. The BNP is a far nastier organisation than its website, or its publicity make it sound. Plus its longterm aim has far less to do with repatriation of foreigners, than with turning this country into a totalitarian facsist dictatorship. The bastards are a million miles away from coming to power at the moment, but so too was Hitler in 1927. Don't give the buggars an inch. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 May 09 - 10:57 AM Charlie Brooker's Guardian piece on the BNP |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Joe P Date: 18 May 09 - 11:24 AM "Young and well educated city dwellers are also over-represented amongst visitors to the BNP's homepage. The proportion of the site's visitors that come from the middle classes is also increasing: 59pc are from the more affluent ABC1 social groups, and this figure is up from 50pc two years ago, Hitwise said. Says it all really. " I visited the BNP website, doesnt mean I will be voting for the racist tw*ts. Says it all really. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: artbrooks Date: 18 May 09 - 01:19 PM And I visited the website...and I'm in the US and can't vote in either UK or EU elections. Statistics on the number of visits proves nothing other than - the number of visits. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: paula t Date: 18 May 09 - 02:05 PM Yes, It's amazing that these people can attempt to use the number of visits as a "meaure of support".How statistics can be misleading eh? It reminds me of a story my psychology lecturer told me: "A group of scientists took a frog and made a loud noise behind it. They measured how far this made the frog jump. They cut off one of its legs and made the same loud noise. They once again measured how far it jumped. They repeated the process again, after removing its other leg. The frog didn't move. They analysed the statistics they had collected. Their conclusion was..... If you remove a frog's legs, it goes deaf." |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: TheSnail Date: 18 May 09 - 03:08 PM Try putting "BNP violence" into Google. Very entertaining. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 18 May 09 - 11:44 PM I hear you, Snail. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Amergin Date: 19 May 09 - 05:01 AM I see that the british media is always lying about the poor beleagured BNP....well that is according to their website... |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Richard Bridge Date: 19 May 09 - 06:19 AM I got a BNP flyer through the door today. I should have left the door open, and Benjamin my cross-border-collie could have greeted the deliverer... |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: mandotim Date: 19 May 09 - 07:38 AM I'm dying to meet a BNP canvasser; I have a couple of terriers, one a feisty Jack Russell with finely developed political instincts... Seriously, the correct tactic is to invite them in for a cup of tea and a chat, feigning interest in their party. Keep them there for a couple of hours if possible, discussing all aspects of their policies in great detail. Think of how many other doors they won't have time to knock on. Tim |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 19 May 09 - 10:05 AM tea, with a good dose of laxative...... |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 19 May 09 - 11:40 AM mandotim, the funniest sight in the world is a BNP canvasser in full flight down the street with three JRs biting at her heels...that'll learn'em to come knocking at my garden gate *LOL* Netty, Shorty,and Cyril got extra treats that evening. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,ifor Date: 19 May 09 - 02:01 PM Another senior official in the BNP is a thug called Tony Lecomber.He is an aide to Griffin and is an individual with several serious convictions to his name . He has a conviction gor conspiracy to cause explosions.A bomb he was carrying on his way to attack the office of a left wing party blew up and he was subsequently arrested. A few years later he and a group of racist thugs seriously assaulted a Jewish teacher who was removing some racist obscenity from a London Underground wall. And a few years after that he and others attacked a black man with broken bottles in a pub in a racist attack. This character is a senior figure in the BNP and at its core the BNP is riddled and addled with such vicious creeps. ifor. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Paul Burke Date: 19 May 09 - 02:11 PM I wonder why these "ex Labour" people, only concerned with corruption of course, seem to have only considered the BNP? No2EU would seem a far more congenial protest for a Labour voter to make. Then there are the Greens (I'll be voting for them), the Jury Team, involving the former jopurnalist and anti- sleaze campaigner Martin Bell, the Socialist Labour Party, and several others, and that's just in my area. None of those parties is racist, and there are other non- racist parties on the right, so the decision to vote BNP is a clear and deliberate choice of racism. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 19 May 09 - 03:37 PM "I wonder why these "ex Labour" people...." I doubt Alan Meale ever was a member of the Labour Party, just another lie. "The British National Party would probably make it into a parliament elected by proportional representation, too. It would shine a torch into the dirty little corner where the BNP defecate on our democracy, and that would be much more powerful than duffing them up in the street — which I'm also in favour of." - Billy Bragg in an interview with The Guardian, 2004 |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Mark Cohen Date: 19 May 09 - 05:41 PM If a dog has tries to bite you or is aggressive - please tell the Police. If you witness a dog owner allowing their dog to chase,bite or show aggression, please let the police know so that we can deal with it. Reports of this type are taken seriously. Please help the police to identify the owner ( even if they make threats as above) as this is an offence so they can talk to them. If you know details of such people, please report them as I have just done. Local councils also can and do prosecute offenders ( even making threat of use of dog to attack) under the Control of Dogs Order (1992) It is an offence for any dog owner to make the type of threat listed above under the Dangerous Dogs Act (1991. The police take serious the threat of owners allowing their pets to be dangerously out of control to be in a public place. They can and will can take action before their dog has bitten anybody. Therefore if a dog owner acts in such a way that someone thinks they will be attacked, an actual offence has been committed. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Phil Edwards Date: 19 May 09 - 06:57 PM It is an offence for any dog owner to make the type of threat listed above under the Dangerous Dogs Act (1991) a) No threats have been made in this thread. If you think I'm wrong, quote them. b) There's nothing in the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 about owners making threats. Other than that, spot on. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Mark Cohen Date: 19 May 09 - 07:33 PM This is what appears on my screen Pip. "I'm dying to meet a BNP canvasser; I have a couple of terriers, one a feisty Jack Russell with finely developed political instincts..." "the funniest sight in the world is a BNP canvasser in full flight down the street with three JRs biting at her heels...that'll learn'em to come knocking at my garden gate *LOL*" Try enlarging your screen.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 19 May 09 - 07:52 PM I'm not as eloquent as most of you. I like to keep things brief: FUCK THE BNP! Rotten racist bastards. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Mark Cohen Date: 19 May 09 - 08:07 PM Come on Peace, they don't go into isolated woodlands with firehoses looking bears Haha. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 19 May 09 - 08:24 PM BNP membership listMembership backdated to 06. Note in correspondence file Mr Gary Amoroso 2 ...... or payments@bnp.org.uk Upgrade to Family membership 14/2/07 Photographer ... wikileaks.org.uk/leak/bnp-membership-list.txt - 977k - Cached - Similar pages |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Mark Cohen Date: 19 May 09 - 08:49 PM Now Peace, that wasn't a very nice comment "I'm not as eloquent as most of you. I like to keep things brief:FUCK THE BNP! Rotten racist bastards. " BNP Paribas has been in Canada since 1961, they're one of the largest foreign bank subsidiaries operating in Canada. Yes they called in a lot of loans recently including those of the rednecks out in the wilderness, but come on man, is that any way to talk about a respected bank ? |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 19 May 09 - 08:51 PM It's as nice as anyone will get from me regarding that Nazi trash. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 19 May 09 - 08:53 PM Weren't they nationalized a while back, Mark? (The bank, not the assholes.) |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: pdq Date: 19 May 09 - 08:54 PM If this is the same (Dr.) Mark Cohen from Hawaii, he has not posted since 5 OCT 2007. Hope he feels welcome in his return.. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Mark Cohen Date: 19 May 09 - 08:59 PM Well Peace they seem pretty popular in the United Kingdom, my cousin over there says a lot of the young guys at his college back them. They are now in a lot more local government centers (councils) than this time ten years ago. What about the Canadian Heritage Alliance ? |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 19 May 09 - 09:05 PM No different than the British Nazi (aka National) Party. However, we don't vote for the cocksuckers. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: frogprince Date: 19 May 09 - 09:11 PM You build a railroad, nobody calls you "Herbie the railroad builder". you build a skyscraper, nobody calls you "Herbie the builder of skyscrapers". But let a guy suck just one cock... |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 19 May 09 - 09:16 PM The fellow posting as Mark Cohen is one of the 'reasonable' apologists for the BNP. Fuckers are so intertwined they don't know who's shagging whom. They post pretending to be the epitome of gentleness and 'hey, let's talk'. Actually they are vicious bastards who separate themselves in name only from the violence they condone and promulgate. I am sorry to see Dr Cohen's name used in this manner. To guest, MC: kiss my ass, motherfucker. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: katlaughing Date: 19 May 09 - 11:08 PM Whoa, that doesn't sound like our Mark Cohen! |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Cats Date: 20 May 09 - 01:40 AM It is very sad that a known folkie is actually standing for election in one of the Festival towns as a BNP candidate. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 20 May 09 - 01:50 AM Who's the folkie? |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Phil Edwards Date: 20 May 09 - 02:46 AM This is what appears on my screen Pip. "I'm dying to meet a BNP canvasser; I have a couple of terriers, one a feisty Jack Russell with finely developed political instincts..." Not a threat - two statements of fact with a semi-colon in betweeen. "the funniest sight in the world is a BNP canvasser in full flight down the street with three JRs biting at her heels...that'll learn'em to come knocking at my garden gate *LOL* Again, this says nothing about what the commenter would like to happen in future. Hence not a threat. And in any case, the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 says nothing about threats. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: mandotim Date: 20 May 09 - 03:12 AM Do I understand correctly Guest Mark Cohen, with what we suspect is a borrowed identity; you have reported my obviously lighthearted comments above to the police as constituting a material threat to an unknown BNP canvasser, who may or may not visit my house? Pip Radish is quite correct; in this case, two separate observations do not constitute any kind of threat. The clue to the lightheartedness is in the second statement; how many dogs do you know with finely developed political instincts? As for the dogs, they both have advanced training certificates, and are under complete voice control at all times. When someone comes to my door, they bark. They have never bitten anyone, nor threatened to do so. Vermin are a different matter. If you have reported the comments, I'll be delighted to answer any police enquiries. I suspect you haven't, and are simply lying like the rest of the BNP scum. If you did, I wonder how hard the police laughed when you put the phone down? Are you familiar with the offence of Wasting Police Time? Tim |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 May 09 - 04:09 AM Dangerous Dogs Act But, hey, I suppose posting the Act assumes the BNP can read... |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Fred McCormick Date: 20 May 09 - 06:06 AM British Mudcatters should be aware that the BNP are standing in the Euro-elections on June 4th. Euro-elections suffer from low voter turn out, and are based on a system of proportional representation. That is a dangerous combination. It can enable extremist parties, whose views are abhorrent to the vast majority of voters, to gain a foothold where they do not deserve one. If you do not want to see the anti-democratic views of the BNP represented in Europe, the choice is simple. Turn out on June 4th and vote for the party of your choice, and encourage everyone you know to do likewise. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 20 May 09 - 08:55 AM Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. Albert Einstein |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 20 May 09 - 09:53 AM I've never liked this system, I prefer first past the post with transferable votes, i.e. 1st 2nd 3rd ( as many choices as the voter wishes to transfer, which then arrives at a majority of votes cast for each seat |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Edthefolkie Date: 20 May 09 - 02:26 PM I was actually bloody angry when I saw the BNP leaflet on our hall floor the other day. Especially when I spotted the Spitfire and the so-called doctor's so-called comments. But Charlie Brooker's piece in the Guardian cheered me up - for instance "Extremist material of any kind always looks gaudy and cheap, like a bad pizza menu". Right on the button Charlie. I'll just put the link up again to save scrolling up: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/18/charlie-brooker-bnp-racism |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Joe Offer Date: 20 May 09 - 02:42 PM Please remember that Mudcat is supposed to be a place for civil discussion, even of controversial issues. I realize that the BNP is objectionable to most of us, but these discussions are a chance for us to make contact with them and find out what they think and why they think it. Name-calling and personal attacks do not add anything to the discussion. It also is not helpful to accuse people of "trolling." Please refrain from such conduct. Thank you. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 20 May 09 - 03:37 PM GUEST - Mark Cohen (or whatever your real name is), don't worry I wouldn't have allowed the dogs to actually bite, I wouldn't want to have to fork out the money for Netty, Shorty,and Cyril to get THEIR anti rabies injections, and notifying the police, feel free, one of my neighbours is a member of the force and witnessed the encounter, he laughed his face off. So, you know what, GUEST - Mark (or whatever your real name is) I believe I hear you mother calling you, so back in your pram, sunshine. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: TheSnail Date: 20 May 09 - 04:56 PM Sorry, Joe, but I don't think you're quite getting the nature of the BNP. Try looking here. I don't think there is much point in trying to "make contact with them and find out what they think and why they think it". I understand your appeal for good conduct but this is not just a standard piece of British bickering. These are very nasty people indeed. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Emma B Date: 20 May 09 - 05:08 PM 'Good conduct' is one thing but please don't suggest I should try to make contact the KKK and find out what they think and why they think it too. I think I know all I really want to about those whose avowed purpose is white supremacy and who are best known for engaging in vitriolic rhetoric and committing violent acts. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 20 May 09 - 05:28 PM Well said Joe and very fair of you may I add. The BNP is a legitimate political party. I just tend to ignore them as most do. The critical word here is 'legitimate'. The BNP is legitimate on the basis that we have freedom of association in the UK; it is registered with the Electoral Commission, has certain registered officers and occasionally submits returns. That is what 'legitimate' means in this context. It makes no judgements about the legitimacy of the BNP's opinions - indeed, they are by definition subjective - and only about whether the association meets certain legal requirements. There is an organisation called NAMBLA - that's the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Let us say, for the sake of argument, that NAMBLA form a UK political party. Certainly, there will be an amount of people who aren't interested in man/boy love themselves, but feel that it should be permitted. I'd say that the majority, though, are probably going to be interested in man/boy love. I would say, on the basis of potential harms and risk minimisation, it would be reasonable to bar members of the (putative) UK Man/Boy Love Party from - say - working with children. There is, as we know, an organisation called Hizb ut Tahrir. On the same grounds, we would probably not allow members of that organisation from joining MI5. Democracy comes from the Greek demos and kratein; translated those are people and strength. Democracy is a process, not an arrival point and has nothing to say about what is right and wrong. The party is going from strength to strength I am glad to say. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Jeri Date: 20 May 09 - 05:49 PM Some people have a pretty high tolerance for racism and xenophobics. I suppose if they didn't, the poor abused souls would never get elected anywhere. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 20 May 09 - 05:57 PM Joe, There is a saying give someone a long enough rope, and they will hang themselves. This happened in the 1930s with the emergence of the Nazi Party. By 1945 they did 'hang themselves' - and after Nuremberg the tribunals helped the process. But look at the human cost it took to get there. The millions who were slaughtered - on the battlefields, the blitz, the concentration camps...... We have to learn from the lessons of history, and be aware of what a group says publicly, and what their true aims are. To give the BNP any hint of legitimacy is dangerous, and diverts attentions from what they really are about. Steve |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Mrs.Duck Date: 20 May 09 - 06:11 PM Since when has inciting racial hatered been 'legitimate'? |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Sorcha Date: 20 May 09 - 06:32 PM Joe, I can't believe you said that! You want to 'get to understand' the Aryan Brotherhood too? |
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