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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 20 May 09 - 06:36 PM Joe is correct in what he said. I found his comment fair and timely. If you took time to read their policies then you would soon change your views. Why why all this sily fear of the party ? You keep calling people silly stupid names. If a bigot means wanting freedom of speech and being free to vote for whoever I want, then I am a Bigot ! If racism means wanting the police to do their jobs and stop crime, then I am a racist. If being moronic means wanting my children to have a good education, free from politics and sexualisation, then I am a Moron ! If being a fascist means I want democracy at all levels, then I am a Fascist ! If you think your name calling will change my mind, you are wrong. Clearly I am made of sterner stuff than you and this is simply going to stiffen my resolve and make people like me fight even harder for what is right and true. The slurs of the lefties above are transparent. People reading this will see we are not knuckle dragger's, but normal people fighting for our very survival as a race. People see just what a fog of lies and distortion you are saying about the BNP. The BNP are the ONLY political party which looks out for the real British people. They do not receive back-handers from big business, they do not receive any fair representation from the media, their fine and upstanding members are relentlessly persecuted - all for what? Just so that the establishment can continue to wreck our country and line their own pockets. Do any of you honesty think the party will not gain seats in the June elections ? That should keep you quiet. Please keep this debate civil. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,lox Date: 20 May 09 - 06:48 PM Maybe Mail Reader isn't a satirist ... ... maybe just a real good one ... You don't need to lie about the BNP, you can just go to youtube, or the links on this site, to the videos of Nick Griffin teaching David Dukes followers that if you want to talk about Racial Purity you have to call it identity, and how that is an example of how to sell nazi ideology without selling it out. Then you can Check out the other video in which he denies the holocaust. And those are just the most basic of a vast realm of evidence that they represent a fascist ideology. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: artbrooks Date: 20 May 09 - 06:48 PM It would be interesting if one of the mods with that capability would tell us if all of the "GUEST,XXX" posts come from the same place. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Emma B Date: 20 May 09 - 06:51 PM 'The BNP are the ONLY political party which looks out for the real British people.' The BNP constitution opposes any racial integration. Articles in BNP journals condemn mixed-race relationships as "mongrelising the white race". (or as you prefer to call it 'the real British people.') 'The slurs of the lefties above are transparent. People reading this will see we are not knuckle dragger's, but normal people fighting for our very survival as a race. People see just what a fog of lies and distortion you are saying about the BNP.' There is no need for 'slurs' or 'lies' the BNP is condemned as racists by their own leaders statements The BNP may have got 'cleverer' but its real politics remain the same. 'Muslims in Britain have been the main target of the BNP in recent years, although Griffin has by no means abandoned his antisemitism. Early in 2008 the BNP distributed a leaflet in the north west of England, where Griffin will head the BNP list in the European elections, which claimed Muslims were responsible for 95% of the heroin trade. Four BNP activists, including a local councillor, were arrested in November 2008 on suspicion of publishing and distributing leaflets intended to stir up racial hatred.' but 'evenhanded' in hatred too I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the Earth was flat … I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria Nick Griffin 1998 |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 20 May 09 - 07:05 PM Emma B, please tell me how many seats the party are likely to lose in the June council elections ? Come on, put it here so we both can reflect on it in a few weeks time. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 20 May 09 - 07:09 PM Emma above you said "Muslims in Britain have been the main target of the BNP in recent years" how ? tube stations or public bus bombings ? I think you may have got your facts mixed up. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 May 09 - 07:10 PM ""They do not receive back-handers from big business, they do not receive any fair representation from the media, their fine and upstanding members are relentlessly persecuted - all for what?"" No, they don't get any back-handers from big business. They're pretty handy at dishing out a few back-handers to those who disagree with their views, particularly those with a different skin tone, which is why they are as you put it "relentlessly persecuted". Of course, what you call relentless persecution, others see as pointing out their criminal records, and activities. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Emma B Date: 20 May 09 - 07:12 PM I do not respond to taunts - only the 'distortions of the truth' (there I didn't call you a l***) you are detirmined to put out here If you have the balls to engage in discussion - post under your own name! |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 20 May 09 - 07:15 PM I guess from your comment you are white... (1) Anyone can say what the disaffected want to hear. What makes a difference are the ACTIONS taken by those in power. (2)I do not challenge the right for anyone to vote who they want for, only to vote for the right reasons. As I said in my earlier post, if one wants to vote because they agree with the BNPs neo-nazi standpoint, that is their prerogative, but should only do so if that is what they really support. (3)When the BNP talk about crime, they place attention on crimes carried out by black people, but have little to say about crimes carried out by white skinhead thugs. Policing has to be even handed. (4) All children should have a good education, and that has to include tolerance of people who are different to themselves so that a culture of prejudice doesn't escalate. (5) Fascism is about achieving power by fear and deception as oppose to winning the hearts and minds of the electorate. (se my point 1). (6) I make no secret of being a socialist, I am employed by a worker co-operative and I work with organisations that advocate on behalf of the most disadvantaged, not by turning individuals against each other but campaigning for fairer and more equitable societies. (7) What is the cut off date before and after British people are real. IF you want to go to extreme, join Plaid Cwmru, its arguable that the Welsh are more British than the English have been for over 1,000 years. If by real British- you mean the right skin colour then you have just supported everyones argument against the BNP. (8) I wonder why big businesses don't want to be seen to be associated with the BNP. As for media representation, the BBC broadcasted an excellent undercover expose of what the BNP is about. (7) Toby Lecomber and John Tyndal fine upstanding gentlemen???? Hmm.. by what definition? (8)It is through fear of ignorance of some voters, and a low turnout in the June elections that could get the BNP more seats than they deserve (9) apart from my quip about laxative in cups of tea, I don't think I have said anything uncivil. But between now and the June elections I am doing everything in my power to campaign against the BNP and what they stand for, |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Sorcha Date: 20 May 09 - 07:21 PM I simply can't believe anyone in this day and age thinks that skin colour or country of origin MATTERS at all. Blood is red....and if we weren't all the SAME race, we couldn't share blood transufions....DMR, I truly HOPE that someday you need a blood transfusion and the ONLY blood available is from a person of colour! |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 20 May 09 - 07:32 PM Emma, would you please give your predictions for the June elections. I will be glad to. Do you think people will reject the party ? do you think they will lose seats ? Will you accept the election results in June or stamp your feet ? |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 20 May 09 - 07:39 PM See my point 8. The BNP will probably gain seats, not because voters support what the BNP is about, but because they feel disaffected by mainstream politics. - and the fact that the BNP don't have the guts to publicly state their real point of view (see their actions,... not their propaganda) |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 20 May 09 - 07:46 PM And no... I will not accepted neo-naziism, even if people do vote for it, for the same reason that among other countries (including India, Nepal)as well as Britain fought against it in WW2, and for the same reason why the Civil Rights movement opposed bigotry and separatism in the 60s, and for the same reason that most of the world deplored Apartheid during the 2nd half of the 20th century. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 May 09 - 07:48 PM Normally I'm inclined to sceptical about voting - as the old sayings go, "Whoever you vote for, the Government always gets in" and "If voting really changed anything, they'd abolish it" - but in this particular European election I think the danger of the BNP getting in means that abstaining or spoiling a vote is a luxury too far. The two-fold danger is that, with most people feeling really pissed off about all the big parties, large numbers are just going to stay home - and that at the same time there will be a fair number who are taken in by the lie that the BNP is not in reality a British Nazi Party and who cast a protest vote their way. The combination of a greatly reduced vote overall, and a rise in the BNP vote could mean that they get candidates elected, and this means sizeable financial resources being paid to them, which they will help them build a more dangerous organisation. So the important thing this time is to vote, no matter for whom (no shortage of alternatives), so long as it's not the BNP. Here's a link explaining how the election process works for the European elections European Parliament elections in England, Scotland and Wales. It's worth reading it, because it's not at all like any other elections. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 20 May 09 - 07:55 PM Unfortunately these sort of dispicable comments Joe Offer refers to is what can be expected as it becomes ever clearer that BNP are winning hearts and minds all over the Country,expect a lot more of it too as polling day gets ever closer,the opposition here are getting more and more worried. I think I have made valid points, I won't be responding to any provocation here. I know they are decent people, and I know that my views are supported by the vast majority of the British public and the Lord Jesus Christ himself. The other main stream parties are running scared for they now know the BNP have broken the political mould and are on the up and are being listened to by the ordinary people, they are saying what they want to hear. I do hope they keep up the pressure on this sad sad government. God bless you all and good night. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 May 09 - 08:12 PM It also is not helpful to accuse people of "trolling." Trolls are people who try to stir things up for the sake of it, by saying things they know will do that, which they very well may not actually believe. It's mischievous and destructive, especially when it is cruel, which it very often is. People who are genuinely trying to promote racist ideologies, and racist parties are not trolls. Unfortunately. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 May 09 - 09:09 PM Er - Daily Mail Reader - "survival as a race"? Now just what meaning that you can try to put on that is not racist? |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Sorcha Date: 20 May 09 - 09:13 PM RACE means homo sapiens....no matter what spin you put on it. HUMAN..... |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 20 May 09 - 09:14 PM "GUEST,Daily Mail reader Please keep this debate civil." OK. Kindly go fuck yourself. |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Peace Date: 20 May 09 - 09:27 PM Joe, I don't often disagree with you, but reasoning with the BNP is like reasoning with the KKK. Can't be done. They are a disease, and I have no, repeat, NO common ground with them. Nor will I ever want any. This post IS respectfully submitted. The one prior to this: the asshole from the BNP posing as Mark is much like the Daily Mail reader--coming across as a nice guy. BULLSHIT! Reason with people like this? HOW? Listen to them? WHY? Read their associations: David Duke, Stormfront, KKK . . . . I have NO doubt they are also aligned with the CHP in Canada and the Aryan Nations, et.al. NO. I will NOT reason or enter into discourse with people like that. If management decision is that I have to be NICE to these motherfuckers, ban me. If management decision is that I should go to other threads and not post to this kind, ban me. One of the reasons this trash left before (a few years back) is because my posts were so damned rude. Consistently rude. And they will continue to be with these folks. I don't want their supporters figuring this is a nice comfortable place to attract new recruits. Mudcat is NOT their forum. Maybe it ain't mine, either. I'll abide by your decision. BM |
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Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front From: Joe Offer Date: 21 May 09 - 03:46 AM Well, Daily Mail Reader is misinterpreting what I said, and so are several Mudcatters who ought to know better. I'm certainly not advocating tolerance of the BNP. I abhor what they stand for. I had a very interesting encounter with a BNP type when Micca and I were riding a bus in London. Since the drunk BNP guy and I had the lightest skin of anyone on the bus, he came looking to me for sympathy as he loudly condemned all the "foreigners" on the bus. I responded, "I am not a citizen of your country, sir; and I certainly don't agree with you." Maybe I should have followed the enlightened example of many of you and called him asshole and motherfucker, but I really don't think that would have done much good. Logic and a bit of wit seem to work much better. One thing about these BNP people - they vote. Every one of them shows up at the polls, in far higher percentages than the rest of us. Calling them "asshole" just inspires their self-righteousness and makes them feel like martyrs for their cause. What good does that do? But if you discuss with them rationally and respectfully, you might just win one or two of them over. So, I ask again - stay calm, use logic, and remain civil. Thank you. -Joe Offer-
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