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Subject: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:17 AM The thread regarding Mediaring prompts me to ask this question. How many Mudcatters are using MAC platform computers? (count me as one) Alice |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Will Bakker Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:35 AM me too. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: MMario Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:38 AM *shudder* I won't say it, because everything else I have heard about Alice makes me respect her. *biting tongue very hard* |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Lady McMoo Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:50 AM I generally use a Mac too (out of choice!) but can also access Mudcat from the other type. mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Nogs Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:41 PM Mac at home, other type at work. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Guy Wolff Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:48 PM I have the little Imac and love the thing>>>I desighn pottery for Smith and Hawken CO and the use of a digital camera saves alot on UPS and plane tickets to both Mill Valley and MY guilds in Wissconsin and Honduras. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rick Fielding Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:51 PM Please, this is a serious question, not one of my "tongue in cheek" things. Why do computer-knowlegable people re-act so strongly about PCs and Macs? Is this just the same as we guitar nerds, when we talk about Gibsons and Martins? Last year when we bought this (PC) every expert(?) we talked to said "don't get Mac - they'll be out of business in a bit". If someone does answer this, please use really simple language. It's still as confusing to me as a Db7/b5 is to some others. Thanks. Rick |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Easy Rider Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:57 PM I always thought a Mac was a high calorie, high colesterol, fast food sandwich. Aren't those things bad for your heart? EZR |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: MMario Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:58 PM Rick - seriously, having been in computer support for over 13 years now.... about a year - maybe 18 months ago people were leaving apple in droves...including upper echelon executives and department heads...which made people antsy.... Macs are good machines, but I have a problem with them personally as I am "icon -challanged" - I can NOT figure out what most of the "pretty little pictures" are suppossed to mean, and I function much better with a keyboard then I do a mouse. I HATE graphic desktops.... As a technician, I dislike Macs because I can't fiddle with them. With PC's there are lots and lots of back doors that I can fix things through. With Macs, practically none. And I have yet to find anything not program specific that can be done on Mac that I cannot do on my PC MMario |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:03 PM sorry I asked (I love my Mac for reasons I won't go into here - I donated my PC to a worthy cause, an agency for homeless kids who needed another office computer) |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bert Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:07 PM I'm with you MMario, You just can't GET AT the damned things. Where's my command line??? I used to be a real Apple fan when I had my old 'II Plus'. But Apple made so many mistakes when they came out with the Mac that I never did like it. They split their resources trying to build three differerent machines at the same time, The IIE, IIC and the Mac. Just think where they'd be now if they had gone for one machine with the best of everything. The open architecture and system of the IIE, The Mac software, all in a box the size of the IIC. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Charlie Baum Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:09 PM I use Macs at home and at the office. --Charlie Baum |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Jeri Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:09 PM Rick, I think the different aspects of the two types of computers/operating systems appeal to different people. Some people just like Macs, some people just like PCs. And each person's opinion is the only correct one. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Peter T. Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:14 PM Somebody once said that Macs are for people who like Emmylou Harris, PCs (well Windows) are for Dolly Parton fans. (I like both women for many reasons). The most recent Microsoft products have made PCs superficially more user friendly, but if you try and do anything even remotely complicated, you discover that the "mental maps" that operate the underlying software systems are completely different, and drive people nuts. I used PC's for years, and then switched over to Macs not by choice. I would never, ever go back: you will have to pry my machine out of my dead hands. Macs are much simpler for human beings, make logical sense for users (not technical experts) and they can connect up to everything easily. They are a dream for children. I have colleagues who are almost completely stuck having to do nothing but wordprocessing on their PC's, because once they step out of line, nothing makes any sense. I work with people who are working on PC's all day long, and the struggles they go through are pathetic -- trying to find system files, documents, printer files. The only good things about PCs are those they stole from Macs, and the fact that they own a large part of the market, so there is some convenience in that. They are both going out the window with Linux and the Internet anyway, so the dispute is becoming like that between Protestants and Catholics. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: amo Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:43 PM My favourite is the mac - of course - because I come from the "graphic-side". When I started whith computers, the macintosh was the only thing for good typing. I worked as a trainer for mac-software , and as a supporter with different machines. I think: The only important thing is, what you want to do - sometimes a pencil would be enough. (Isn`t the most important question: Do you prefere Illustrator or Freehand? --- or should I say: Which game do you want to play? |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Lesley N. Date: 12 Aug 99 - 02:36 PM Rick, I don't think it's a question of which is "better" or "easier." Both will be debated endlessly. The fact is that Steve Jobs did a brilliant job of creating a culture out of the Mac. To be a Mac user became, and is still, something of pride.
I used to work at a place that was one of the early Apple dealers in the country and the fanaticism - maybe devotion is a better word - used to amaze me.
I am a martial artists and the PC/MAC debate always reminds me of the "Which martial art is better" conversations that abound. The answer in both instances is that everyone swears by their own.
Lesley,
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Deacon Date: 12 Aug 99 - 03:19 PM Someone pointed out the inconsistency of my liking both computers and 1880s' banjos so I went out and got an Underwood No. 5. Been having a hard time finding a modem for the dern thing so I try to use my mac at home. At school people only speak Windoze but the connection is quick. My mac, Underwood and Fairbanks/Cole will sail into the new year without a worry. We'll see about NT. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bat Goddess Date: 12 Aug 99 - 04:56 PM Mac at home; Macs at work. I'm a professional graphics person, too. It used to be easy when someone asked what I do. I'm a typographer. Now I have to define myself as a digital prepress production technician. And I have to deal with those other platform boxes that do things so wierdly backwards. ("If this was a Mac, I'd be done by now.") BTW, Illlustrator rather than Freehand. Linn the Bat Goddess |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: bbc Date: 12 Aug 99 - 05:17 PM I'll third amo & Bat Goddess. Although I don't speak from personal experience, I've always heard that Macs were more friendly for graphics. I do know that, several years ago, before Windows, I (a non-programmer) found Macs less threatening & easier to use than PC's. If I were a programmer & needed to do "stuff," I suspect I'd want a PC. That's all we have at my house, anyway. I'm surrounded by techies, so I've learned to cope. bbc |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: John of the Hill Date: 12 Aug 99 - 05:23 PM I use a Mac, unashamedly and unapologetically. Several of the people I work with are also home users of the other platform. I am amazed at how often they ask me how to deal with a problem, and I can only say "I don't know, that doesn't happen on a Mac. John |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: dick greenhaus Date: 12 Aug 99 - 05:28 PM Mac at work, PC at home. I'm an old-fashioned type; I hate it when computers do things I don't tell them to do. IMO, both Mac operating systems and Windows (any flavor) are essentially gussied-up training wheels that unnecessarily interfere with computer operation, and function mostly to sell ever-more-powerful computers. Bah Humbug |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bill D Date: 12 Aug 99 - 07:41 PM well, I am convinced that Macs simply 'work' better, are more user friendly, graphics clever and generally a saner design...but I am going to get another PC this time. Why? Because I LOVE all the little 'extra' stuff that gets written for PC..wierd printing programs, file searchers, graphic converters, audio players...etc...For every program written for MAC, there seem to be 27 for the PC, and I can pick & choose. And the popular 'chat' programs..IRC, ICQ...etc...are always slower to be done for MAC, and have fewer features when they DO arrive!..( I have a friend who LOVES her MAC, and is constantly searching for the neat things I take for granted on my OLD PC with Win3.1!) I bought Beta instead of VHS, SyQuest instead of ZIP drive, a lathe that has the only known 1 1/8X12tpi thread pattern in the universe, so I can't buy attachments for it..etc...all good products, but not easy to find parts or products for...and I will stick with PCs until I am convinced that I can get the bells & whistles I want...please MAC, prove me wrong..I'd LOVE to use your neat machine...make me LOTS of toys sor it, and I will! |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: MMario Date: 12 Aug 99 - 08:56 PM dick: amen, Amen, AMEN.
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Craig Date: 12 Aug 99 - 10:04 PM I use an old mac quadra 660 and down loaded the digital tradition to it last year. We love it. My wife has her music files on her mac G3 powerbook and we're hoping for a system 8 upgrade of DT sometime soon. Thanks |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: WyoWoman Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:12 PM Macs and Sun Microsystems (now THERE's an adventure!) at work (I'm a journalist) and PC at home. I found the Mac I had at home until just recently to be a lot more user-friendly than my new PC, which seems to just toss out error messages willy-nilly for no good reason other than to see a non-computer-type-woman dissolve into tears of frustration and rage. But... frankly, that might have something to do with the computer support person who shall remain nameless but set my machine up for me and seemed to have made an operator error or two. One thing I really hate, however, is that my Mac will read just about any IBM disc that it's asked to, but the IBM won't read any Mac discs. I have all my old articles and columns archived on my Mac discs from my previous home computer and, well, I"m sorta screwed unless I want to go somewhere and have each individual file converted to an IBM disc and document. If anyone out there in Mudcatland has a better idea how to do it, I'm game... WW |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:36 PM The only thing better than a Mac is a new Mac (gawd, how I'd love to trade my old Performa 6300 for a G3--Guy, is the iMac an appropriate tool for a photographer? The price is right, but does it have the graphics capabilities that the big ones have? I've played with a G3 running Photoshop and watched filters which take five minutes to work on my current Mac pop in almost immediately on the blue and white beauty). --seed |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: ddw in windsor Date: 13 Aug 99 - 01:12 AM Mac at work and OOOOLD PC at home. Both work fine for what they are designed for, so there's not beef with either. The Macs are editing/layout tools for a newspaper and I use my 1988 Commadore PC 10-III for writing and storing household lists, song lyrics, etc. Before we got Macs at work -- which are now being upgraded, since these are about five years old -- we were using a Harris pagination system that was completely dedicated to layout and an old (we're talking ancient!!!) SDC system for writing and massaging copy. The paper bought the SDCs in about 1974 and I still consider them one of the finest word processors I've ever seen, but then we had to have other systems for everything else we did. At one point we had eight — count 'em, eight — different systems in the newsroom, each with it's own foibles. The Macs came in and everything could be done on one machine. Joy! Since I've never used Windows, I can't comment on how it compares to Mac's icon-driven operation, but I've found with the latter it's a lot faster and easier to use mnemonics than to fool around with pull-down menus. Alas, I've afraid the old PC is going to have to go soon, since the strife and I are thinking about getting into a little side business that would require a lot of Internet work and the poor old thing probably doesn't have enough memory to open most web sites' graphics. I'll probably go Mac when I do, just because it would be less hassle than having to think differently depending on which machine I'm using. ddw |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Craig Date: 13 Aug 99 - 01:49 AM I suddenly feel as if there are two of me. I own a PC that was put together for me by a guy in Rancho Bernardo. I don't have a wife who has a Mac G3 Powerbook. Whoa! This could get to be comfusing. Max help!!! |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Ana Date: 13 Aug 99 - 03:05 AM yip!!! I've got an iMac - nice colour, lovely curves.. and yes..a mind too!! |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bat Goddess Date: 13 Aug 99 - 07:47 AM Since most high end output devices are Postscript, Macs are definitely the machine of choice in the graphic arts industry. Plus we can use or get at just about anything in a PC file. And can format PC discs. Users of Wintel boxes can't seem to cope with a Mac disc. Worse comes to worse, convert it to a PDF and output CMYK seps from that. Color management, which is a major part of my industry, isn't even being addressed on the PC side. Sound/music, graphics, etc. were all integrated first on the Mac side -- without buying special cards/hardware, etc. BTW, I started out in '85 with a IBM-XT, no HD, 256k RAM ("You'll never need more than that.") and, of course, proprietary typesetting equipment (that didn't even dream about doing graphics, let alone integrating them, or doing anything like multi-media). Can't twist my brain around Wintel boxes, but, hey!, whatever works for what you're doing. Linn the Bat Goddess |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Peter T. Date: 13 Aug 99 - 10:10 AM Dear Wyowoman, Concerning the IBM to Mac problem, there are two solutions. The first is that there are IBM emulators out there that would temporarily turn your IBM into a MAC (just as you can get them for MACs the other way), but I have no idea where they are, or how well they work. There are a number of mac support sites, and a chat site that would give you more info. A faster solution would be to simply put the files on your MAC disks back into your computer, and then recopy them onto an IBM formatted disk. You wouldn't have to open the files, just move them. If you want to create an IBM formatted disk that works with a MAC, check out the pulldown menu in your MAC under SPECIAL, ERASE DISK....That gives you the option of formatting the disc as IBM (it erases everything on the disk first!). It isn't the best solution, but it is a lot faster than redoing every file. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 13 Aug 99 - 12:29 PM Well, thanks fellow artist/designers/photographers, I don't feel so lonely here in Mudworld, now.
Several reasons why artists work better with MACs have already been covered. My reasons - efficiency, creativity, speed, reliability. In fact, I just ordered an iMac as a second computer for my son to use. I have a support person who used to work at the local Apple dealer who comes to my studio if necessary to work on anything on the machine that I can't do myself, but have had very few problems in the last 2 1/2 years with my current computer. I use a WACOM tablet and work mostly in Photoshop, but also use Illustrator. I sometimes work in traditional art media like this that I scan in to Photoshop. Being able to use the WACOM pen to control subtle brush and airbrushing, create custom patterns for the brush, etc. makes it fast and easy to create from scratch. Drawing with a mouse like that is impossible ... like trying to airbrush with a brick.
So, there are different systems for different reasons. Using the right tool for the right job... I'm back to the drawing board to finish art, then get ready to sing at Mudstock tomorrow.
W.W., I have a CD writer, if you want to spring for the blank CD's, I'll convert your Mac files to IBM format CD's for you. Bring them along to Columbus. I'll see you there. alice in montana |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Helge in Norway Date: 13 Aug 99 - 01:11 PM I`m using a MAC Power PC Helge hlyster@c2i.net |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: K~~ Date: 13 Aug 99 - 04:28 PM Learned on a Mac and love 'em, they're my choice. Forced to use PC at work. Macs best in biz for graphics. They'll never fold though, then Bill Gates would have (more) anti trust suits up the rear facing orifice. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Captain Swing Date: 13 Aug 99 - 08:07 PM I have yet to meet (personally) a user of both platforms who prefers PCs. I agree with the Protestant/Catholic analogy though. Maybe the Catholics are the Mac users because they can have the fun, make the mistakes, know the support is at hand in times of crisis and still be redeemed (ie: not destroy their files). I'm off to Greece for a bit now but I'll be interested to see how this thread goes. Captian Swing (Baptised, confirmed and practising Mac user) |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: bob schwarer Date: 14 Aug 99 - 07:21 AM Dick: Back to DOS? |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 14 Aug 99 - 07:59 AM Boy!!! I hesitate to tell you guys what I use..... Atari ST system At work, we have to use PCs with Windows, and the same at my church. I haven't used a Mac in ages, but I like them. Personally, I am building a box using an Intel processor, but that is so I can put Linux on it. The Atari version of Linux is hard on the mind to keep working, and the PC model of Linux is much easier to work with. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Roger the zimmer Date: 16 Aug 99 - 09:03 AM I used to have a long black Mac but my female work colleagues said it made me look like a flasher (and they doubted I had the requisite qualifications!) so I stopped wearing it! Seriously, in the colleage where I work only PCs are supported by the computer staff but a couple of depts and the publications team are sufficiently wedded to MACs to pay for their own support. I believe they find graphics easier to handle. I've never used them so can't judge. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Fadac Date: 16 Aug 99 - 10:39 AM Computers, Hmmm, OK I have an old 7100 (mac) that I use for some games and video editing. I also use it as an X terminal for my file server. (A intel box running FreeBSD (unix thing)). Then on another table, I have a Win 95 box. Here I do my CD mastering, Audio work, and Autocad.
I swap files back and forth all the time with no problem. My text files are all in Word 6. I have both versions, Mac & windows. OK it's not the latest, but it keeps me from getting confused.
I'm keeping my 7100 untill the G-4's come out later this year.
I also have two old mac powerbooks that I use from time to time, and a pentium laptop.
Printers? I have an Apple laser printer on my network, so I can print to it from any machine. Then there is a HP 860 that I don't use much, and an Epson I use for color proofs.
They all work (sort of) and they all have their little quirks (you bet!) But mostly they get the job(s) done.
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: dick greenhaus Date: 16 Aug 99 - 12:32 PM Bob Schwartzer- The only good thing I can say about DOS is that, for me, it works better than either MAC or Windows. I'd switch to Linux, but that wouldn't do DigiTrad users any good. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Brian Hoskin Date: 17 Aug 99 - 03:08 AM I'm firmly in the Mac camp. Brian |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: David Ingerson Date: 17 Aug 99 - 04:35 AM I'm a Mac user and as a teacher I find them much easier for kids to use. By the way, I'm not an icon person, either; the view of my documents I choose is either by title or by date, depending on what type of folder I'm working in. Can PC's do that? Just asking since I don't know. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Fadac Date: 17 Aug 99 - 04:04 PM Mac update. Old 7100 bit the big one yesterday. It seems that it can't find the keyboard or mouse any more. So I belive the APD(what ever) port that the keyboard and mice talk to ...died. As I have a big video project on it. This really sucks. Also as the video card is NuBus, that sucks even more. However I did find a 8100/110 bare, and it should be here soon. The dumb video card is about a grand, and I also have a F/W scsi card. So will continue in the obsolite systems untill the G-4 comes out. -Fadac |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 17 Aug 99 - 04:11 PM yes, Fadac, I can relate to drooling over those G-4's. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: M Date: 17 Aug 99 - 04:24 PM Mac at work and home. I am a graphic designer/artist and Macs are definitely easier to use. There are so many options in how you can set up your machine and how you work that the intuitive/analytical argument doesn't hold. Macs are quite logical (this coming froma Virgo). Let's not forget that Windows is just a rip-off of the Mac operating system, but not as fluid. Yeah, I encounter the same thing with PC friends when we work in the same program, and all I can say is, "I don't know why you can't. I can do it on my Mac." |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: William Pint Date: 18 Aug 99 - 12:11 PM I've been using a Mac for years (ever since abandoning the sinking Amiga ship.) Never had a moment of regret. I'm now using a G3 desktop at home and a powerbook 1400 on the road. I also have been driving Volkswagens for years -- maybe there's a connection there as well? |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Phil Taylor Date: 18 Aug 99 - 06:39 PM I'm a Molecular Biologist/Musician/Programmer. I use an SGI and Macs at work, and I write software for Macs at home. My wife uses a PC. For music (which nobody seems to have mentioned) Macs are far better than PCs. Even the heavyweight software which is available for both, e.g. Cubase works far better on the Mac. There's a much larger selection of general software for PCs, but the quality of Mac software is higher. As for the user interface - use whatever you like best, and if you prefer you can run Linux on either.
Best ABC software is BarFly |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 18 Aug 99 - 07:55 PM Hi, Phil, thank you for BarFly. I was thinking of the music aspect of this question the other day, and since this is a music forum, I was rather surprised that there was not a larger response to this question from musicians using Macs. I decided to move all my music applications to my son's Mac, so I can keep this one for graphics. That way we can use the midi keyboard with the other computer out of the way of all my graphics stuff. |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: judy Date: 19 Aug 99 - 03:02 AM solidly insanely great Mac. (But I did get a PC card in it because I have to use it at work and wanted to be able to look at work stuff at home) enjoy! judy |
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Subject: RE: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Alice Date: 23 Aug 99 - 02:08 PM Well, to keep this in the music vein, I did find this parody in the Database:
APPLE COMPUTER
I gave my love an Apple that had no core
How can there be an Apple that has no core?
An Apple MOS memory don't use no core @computer @parody |
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