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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 11 Nov 07 - 05:30 PM How can you tell so accurately, Richard? :D |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Rowan Date: 11 Nov 07 - 05:48 PM The place where I work has a reasonable firewall and provides site-licensed McAfee Viruscan for Mac to Mac users. I haven't heard of any invasions. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Folknacious Date: 11 Nov 07 - 07:11 PM I was at a festival this summer and staying at the same hotel as many of the performers. They had the lobby rigged up as a wireless zone, so every morning it was full of musicians doing their emails, Skype calls etc. Every single one had a Mac laptop, not a PC to be seen. Seems to be the machine of choice among creatives. It's funny reading the early part of this thread from 1999 when everybody was predicting the imminent death of Apple. Now it's just about the most successful and fastest growing individual computer manufacturer out there, according to a newspaper report I read this week. And through computer sales, not simply because of iPods and iPhones. I just bought my mum, aged 85, an entry-level iMac. Some dealers still have stocks of the previous model white 17" ones that were superceded only a couple of months ago, they're a real bargain right now. She's thrilled to bits with it after years of struggling with a PC, Windows, viruses etc. She can't believe how much easier it is to use and how much more reliable it is. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,JTT Date: 11 Nov 07 - 08:28 PM I use a Mac and much prefer it, but it does have disadvantages. One is the lack of standard keyboard shortcuts for menu items across apps - on a PC, you can always hold down Alt-F and drop down the File menu, Alt-E for the Edit menu, and so on, and then go on from there to use the functions within that menu. Another is that websites - mainly civil service websites or company websites for things like getting paid for work - often won't work well with Macs, and the people in charge of those functions are usually ordinary people using bought-in programs, and so can't change the programs, even if they should be expected to, which is another question. And printer drivers for Macs are almost universally crap. Unless you buy Apple printers (too expensive), you're stuck with somethng like a HP. On a PC, it will have options like "Print selection"; on a Mac, you can usually only print the whole document or specific pages by number - which, on websites, is a matter of guesswork. Also, printers often won't work with specific programs. I can't print from Adobe Acrobat, for instance; to print a PDF I have to open it in Preview and hope for the best - again, with the very limited driver not helping. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Frank Lee Date: 11 Nov 07 - 08:55 PM I just up-graded to one of the new 'Bang & Olufsen' iMacs and find it wonderful. I know so little about them that I'm not really qualified to find it wonderful, but I do! It's a sad sign of the public's reluctance to adopt Macs that I could find very few outlets here in the far North of England, apart from the usual PC World. When I did locate a small unit on an industrial estate at Consett, the 'Man' was out; he was installing extra memory on an iMac for an 87 year-old in Morpeth, who apparently claims he can't understand how he ever managed without it. My ignorance being profound, and lacking a teenage family to keep resuscitating my PC, the only reason it still exists is that laziness overrides my exasperation, so as yet I've not made the impetuous trip to my workshop for a lump hammer! On second thoughts it'll get a more dignified funeral - a teacher I knew once dropped a cathode ray tube (computer monitor) - his nickname was 'Crater Face'!!!!! Frank |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 11 Nov 07 - 09:44 PM A .mac account might be nice to have, but it would have been good to know up front that iPhoto will not let you upload to anything but .mac. I paid the $24 bucks for another year of the Flickr pro, which had expired since the last time I had uploaded anything, downloaded the Flickr uploader onto this new computer, and then spent an hour and a half trying to figure out why I couldn't get the pics from iPhoto into the uploader. I thought I was doing something wrong that I couldn't get the pictures to transfer from iPhoto to the Flickr uploader, and was wondering why I couldn't locate anything in the tutorials to help me out. Finally went on-line to research and that is when I read, on a non-apple site, that I was going to have to spend another $24 bucks for the plug-in (not an Apple product). Now I'm wondering if other of the MAC programs also limit their functionality outside of an Apple business unless I buy another piece of software or subscribe to .mac. Had I known upfront it was going to cost me $48 bucks to upload 18 pictures, maybe I would have subscribed to .mac to begin with. But I didn't, and iPhoto sure didn't let me know. This kind of thing is simply something that, as a PC user, I was unaware of. I haven't checkout .mac yet - don't know what it does or what it costs. I just know I have been happy with Flickr. Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:01 PM Janie: I suggest you use this: http://www.apple.com/startpage/ when you first open your computer. It will keep you informed as to all things Mac...You can try out .mac from there... bob |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:16 PM when I was looking into the Mac ... I was told Picassa2 wasn't compatible with the Mac ...... that iPhoto was pretty good ... well, I wasn't impressed with what I saw in the demo of iPhoto ... actually was rather shocked since I assumed the Mac would deliver a much superior product when it came to 'photo software'. BTW, I use Picassa2 almost exclusively as my photo editor .... more so than PhotoShop. It's a matter of personal preference. I agree Janie ... flickr is pretty good. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:26 PM I should add ... about 2 years ago Picassa2 was (enthusiastically) recommended as a photo editor at the local photo equipment/imaging shop I frequent ... the same place that 2 years later they were trying sell me (and almost did) the Mac. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 11 Nov 07 - 10:54 PM iPhto is not a Phto editor, mate. Use Phtoshop or any number of others for tweaking them. iPhoto is for managing, making slide shows, or photobooks out of. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 11 Nov 07 - 11:02 PM Well Amos ... that's why I wasn't impressed with their idea of a substitute over Picassa2 ... as I mentioned, I use Picassa2 as an editor (more so than PhotoShop these days). I like Picassa2 as an editor. I especially like what it delivers in my photo editing. Picassa 2 is not compatible with the Mac. I don't use Picassa2 as a 'photobook'. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:45 AM Amos thanks so much for all that helpful info - I have just downloaded trial versions of iKey and Keyboard Maestro (haven't tried them yet) but even if they don't solve the forward-delete problem, more keyboard shortcuts are always of interest to me because I'm used to them and have grown rather dependent on them (especially in editing music software where you have to operate a music keyboard at the same time as the QWERTY, and having to stop and mouse things is a real hassle). I tend to have no idea what extras are available for Macs, what's good and what's not, so thanks for the heads-up. It must be great to have your own resident Genius Bar! (Wish they had those here... *sigh*) Does anyone have any experience or feedback about Parallels (sometimes called Parallel Desktop)? It's an independent programme that allows you to switch back and forth between Mac and XP with ease. The way I have to do it now is via reboot, which works fine but is still a time-consuming interruption. I gather that the new OS Leopard has some built-in form of this facility, but Tiger (which I use) doesn't. And I'm finding I really need it: as JTT says, the printer drivers leave a LOT to be desired! This means I have to be able to toggle back & forth between the two OS's because I'm obliged to print in Windows - the Mac side won't do many of the things I need, and it seems to be a driver thing, not a programme thing. (Been to the HP site and downloaded the latest relevant driver, which they still support - but now I don't know what to DO with the damn thing! Have tried dragging it to all the usual haunts, but to no avail, unless there's some basic installation step that I'm missing -?) Anyway, any feedback about Parallels - or whatever else is around - would be of great interest to me. I'm probably always going to need some Microsoft capability: I tend to think of Apple as my new friend and Windows as my old friend (albeit a sometimes dysfunctional relationship, but a relationship none the less). As a user, I actually find XP perfectly easy, clear and friendly. The things I hate about M$ are the same things everyone hates - the juicy come-&-get-it opportunities for every type of hacker, the intrusiveness into your private space, the manipulative market-domination tactics (such as your old applications ceasing to work on their latest OS so you have to upgrade or buy new ones). I paid out good money for Front Page not that long ago, only to find They won't support it anymore - yes, it'll still work, but who wants to invest time & effort in built-in obsolescence? This sort of thing is what makes me distrust them, but for ease and clarity of use their XP is fine. I'm very glad to have bitten into the Apple, but for me it does need to work in harmony with my PC self. Hence my interest in Parallels - Once again, thanks so much! Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Marc Bernier Date: 12 Nov 07 - 09:23 AM I'v been a Mac user for 15 or so years. My wife, a professional librarian and sworn PC user. I don't understand these things first of all, I'm a folk musician anything I plug in worries me. I use the computer to check email read mudcat and write music. Thats right, I write music with dots and lines and everything. I'v been happy with the mac all along but not my wife. We recently needed to by a new computer to replace my 10 or 11 year old blue IMAC, and she convinced me that if we bought a PC she cold help me do bussiness things on it as she understood Windows better than Appleworks. We now own a Dell with Windows Vista for an OS and my music writing program runs like shit. Having called tech support I'm told windows Vista is here and it's so new no ones figured out how to make anything run on it. I'm presently making room in my office to set up my old IMAC so I can write with that. And now I have this not so cheap PC to check email and read mudcat. Macs are better. Though I don't know why. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:07 AM Parallels works very well. There is also an alternative, which BBW uses, but I have forgotten its name. Will advise later. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:24 AM Marc, what music programme are you using? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:03 AM Is it Bootcamp? The alternative to Parallels? |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:23 AM No - BootCamp (at least in Tiger: don't know what the story in Leopard is) is the facility that allows the disc partitioning. AND it was only ever beta software in that version - you should read some of the horror stories in the blogs! When it went wrong, it went wrong bigtime. In any case, Apple have now withdrawn the BootCamp download for Tiger (I assume it's attained Alpha status in Leopard). Theoretically the Tiger user can partition the hard drive him/herself (that's what they told me in the shop) but in reality there are no firm instructions and it's not clear at all, and being such a newbie I was worried about screwing something up; and - get this - even the HELPLINE couldn't do it! I finally took the puter back to the shop and got them to partition the HD for me and install the Windows OS. (It means wiping everything on the drive, but at that stage I didn't have anything on there to wipe.) It now works fine, but I find I need faster & more direct switchover, which is what Parallels is supposed to be about - though the paranoid in me is a little worried that access to Windows is also access to their security problems. I only use the internet in Apple (via both Safari and Firefox, who get along beautifully) so am hoping that cyber baddies won't sneak in my Windows somehow. (Like with those macros that can lurk in Word documents - ??) But for Leopard users, I think BootCamp may well be just the thing - |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:38 AM Yeaaaaggghhhhh!! Just as I posted this - using Apple's Safari - Microsoft burst onto my screen and installed an update to my Office programme (which I have a Mac version of). They're after me... they know I'm here... there's no place to hide... ;-} |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:59 AM They know who you are, and they saw what you did. MMWHahahahahha.... For the time being, think I will stick with running two computers. Better to change brain partitions for this technologically challenged ditz. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 07 - 12:35 PM Bonnie: I think you can decline the updates from MS, and you can even turn off the automatic check for updates, doing it manually when you feel like it instead. JTT: The issue with almost ALL websites that are Windows-biased is not the Mac, but the browser. Firefox tends to do better in this regard than Safari. For extreme measures I keep a copy of Internet Explorer available, just in case, but hardly ever have to call on it. I believe this traces to the market-grab M$oft built using their proprietary altered Java set instead of the universal Java standard from Sun, but I could be wrong there. But as more and more people discover the delights of the Mac this happens less and less often. And web designed can easily work around this problem and more and more of them take the trouble to do so. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,JTT Date: 12 Nov 07 - 01:01 PM Amos, have to disagree - when i have website problems I switch from Firefox (my normal browser) to Safari and then Internet Explorer, but nope, the problems persist. By the way, I wouldn't bother with a .mac account. I had one, which I used for all my work email - then I discovered that I was losing freelance jobs because I wasn't getting mail, randomly. I contacted the .mac support crew and they said this was a known issue, and asked me to tell them when I didn't get a mail. Doh! I told them that I wasn't, unfortunately, telepathic (and if I were, I wouldn't need email anyway), and therefore couldn't tell them if I *hadn't* got a mail, only if I had! They didn't appear able to help, so since the account had cost me something like 130 euro for a year, I let it go. Don't know if they've fixed the problem, but I wouldn't trust .mac mail again. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 07 - 02:15 PM Tiger, Parallels, Bootcamp, Leopard, "proprietary altered Java", safari ..... whew! I thought Macs where supposed to be user friendly, much simpler to use ?!?!?! biLL :) |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 07 - 02:22 PM Bootcamp ???? I think I'd stay away from any software with that name regardless if it's a PC, Mac, iSeries or whatever platform one chooses to use. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:01 PM Don't be put off - they're simply names for assorted programmes. Safari's the web browser; Tiger (older) and Leopard (newer) are consecutive versions of the operating system; you're only going to need BootCamp (as in boot-up) and Parallels - which do slightly different things - if you want to run Windows and Mac on the same physical machine. (Don't know what 'proprietary altered Java' is though, having not come across it.) They're no harder to use than any other applications doing the same jobs - BTW, the email programme has the staggeringly outrageous name of "Mail"! |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:28 PM The alternative to Parallels is VMware Fusion. It is very similar, and some folks prefer it and some prefer Parallels. BBW says she likes Fusion more, likes the interface better, and believes it uses less system resources. It can be found at Version Tracker, a site you should have bookmarked which keeps you up on versions and capabilities for hundreds of different software packages. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:31 PM Amos, you're a true star! Thanks so much - I'm heading there now... |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Perplexed Date: 12 Nov 07 - 03:43 PM If the Mac is so good, why is that nobody running Windows yearns to run Mac applications? This is a genuine question, not an 'anti Mac' sneer |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:29 PM I think it's to do with the I-know-what-I-like/and-I-like-what-I-know syndrome. And Windows users - in the majority by far, worldwide - are simply less exposed to Apple than Apple users are to them. They can quite easily spend their whole computing lives oblivious to the Mac, but it's hard for anyone else to remain oblivious to them. They're everywhere. (I don't mean this as an anti-Microsoft sneer either: I have been for 15 years and still remain a Windows user, and expect to carry on - so I'm one of Them too.) Due to Microsoft's market-dominant position, there's a lot of good software that you simply can't get because it's written for the one customer-spending base that dwarfs all the others put together. And broadband (which speeds download time) plus good AV programmes & patch updates plus a bit of common sense mean that they are (or at least feel) protected. You can use any machine, get any application, walk into any shop, pay less (arguably: though this is changing). Windows is the biggest kid on the block, and IMHO people simply don't tend to think - or even notice - beyond that. They don't feel they have to. This insularity was certainly the case with me. It's a sort of influence (I'm tempted to say brain-wash but that sounds too intentional and also insulting, and I mean neither) by sheer force of majority. It stopped me from seriously searching for alternatives, though I got/get furious at some of the shenanigans MS pulls. AND by the way they have you by the short & curlies if you get too dependent on any of their programmes - which is another reason users don't switch. It becomes self-perpetuating. I am now so glad I ventured into Apple terrain, but in all honesty I would not have if it were not for the safety-net of being able to run dual platforms. My professional work is tied up in my computer as much as in my instrument, and I simply have too much to lose. Also, the music school I teach in has bought an entire stock of new computers - not just for the office staff but an iMac for every teacher as well - and completely ditched their PC system (which tells you something). This gave me unpressured hands-on learning time and I was able to get to know the Mac in a totally relaxed, risk-free way. Most people don't have such a luxury handed to them. Your question is a very good one. I think there's as much psychology in the answer to it as there is technology, perhaps more. For many people - something like 95% of the global market - Apple is simply foreign territory, and it feels like a gamble. There's security (real or imagined) in the familiar and folks like to stick to what they know - even if "what they know" brings them some severe disadvantages. It's the status quo, and we all know how powerful THAT is. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:47 PM Your reasoning was the huge barrier Steve Jobs faced when he came back to Apple. Between completely ground-up overhauling the OS so it has all the benefits of gained wisdom AND the robustness of UNIX, plus the brazen effrontery to show the world what good system design and hardware design look like, he pulled off a miracle that is continuously pumping up Apple's market share. While all this was going on, enough hard work was done in the Windows world to greatly expand their range of applications, but except for a few specialized niches, almost anything is available on OS X that you owuld need in Windows; and if not, as Bonnie says, the Windows environment with Fusion or Parallel is available. Some applications run in this Windows environment faster than they do on a Pentium machine running only Windows. I swear this is true, but I have no idea why, except perhaps for the UNIX architecture. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 12 Nov 07 - 06:55 PM Mac users might enjoy this one I've just seen in a (PC) Linux place. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:15 PM Folks - 5.46% of Mudcat connections are from MACS
ONE - person is using a SUN
Let us try putting it another way
All of these "stats" are available for public view
A snap-shot from 2006 http://www.mudcat.org/stats
http://www.alexa.com/ is another fun place.
Of course your address is logged - and where you came from - (quite a few nudie addicts here come straight to Mudcat from X-sites) and behind the scenes the cookies and PM can be truly entertaining.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:17 PM LOL, Jon!! And then of course there will be the Error Report which you [SEND] [DON'T SEND] before you can get on with anything... |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:18 PM My interest in this thread goes back to my last minute decision not to purchase the Mac over my HP laptop .... granted I agree the Mac is without doubt the better of the 2 ... but, is it worth to me, the xtra $700 (+) over the HP pc which I purchased ... my HP has more than sufficient disk space, the processor delivers more than adequate speed for the purpose I require. The price I find is the clincher, as $700 is no small change. Anyway, I beleive I made the best decision for myself, plus I took the money I saved and put it towards purchasing another quitar .... another Taylor, not a Martin :), but then again I relish that Taylor 'sound' over the Martin. Lets leave this topic for another thread, and another day. Again ... I find this thread interesting and informative ... I enjoy the comments ... maybe when I go to purchase another computer in the future it will probability it will be a Mac ... or who knows, there might be a another platform on the black that maybe will be more innovative, as long as i can run Picassa2 on it. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Janie Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:20 PM Bonnie pretty well covered it. Read thru the thread and see the number of people who still need a Windows platform because their work systems are all Microsoft. Although I don't have a job that requires intensive use of applications, I have to have Windows to interface with the company server and network from home. Microsoft is all-pervasive. That doesn't mean it is better. If I didn't also have a PC, the Mac would have been a bad choice economically for me because of the additional software I would have had to buy to run Windows. (If I had bought MS Office for Mac, would I need additional software to get on the remote desktop to access the company server?) Maybe I just made a bad choice in deciding to go with iWorks. This is the thing. For a complete non-techie like me, I don't understand, and am just starting to discover, the implications of using a Mac in a PC world. Didn't know what questions to ask. I'm not sorry I bought the Mac. Once I get the hang of it, it is clear that doing personal computing on my personal computer is going to be much easier, and I anticipate many fewer glitches in programs. Not well-equiped to deal with glitches. it is easy to stump this chump. But the interface with the vast internet world of Microsoft driven programs is going to be more complicated, and is going to be financially restrictive for a person with as limited a budget as mine. I'm glad I still have my PC. And I'm glad I bought this Mac. But I'm reminded of when I was a little girl. The trailers for the Disney movies were so fantastic. The actual movies were good, but rarely met the complete expectations I went into them with based on the previews. Janie |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:52 PM 9 out of 10 programs are first written for PC
IF - they prove profitable - they are later coded for MAC - and marketed again at a higher price.
Sincerely,
nasty little Trojan has hit the MAC OS-X system. It captures passwords, account numbers, information placed in "boxes" |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 07:58 PM Whooopppsss!!! Sorry, reference for MAC Trojan
http://www.macworld.com/2007/10/firstlooks/trojanhorse/index.php
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:20 PM Yes. Old news. Do you know what you have to DO to actually become infected? "A disk image will then start downloading, and (depending on the settings on your machine) may then mount and launch an installer which asks for your admin password. Rule #1: Do not install software from untrusted sources, especially if that software comes as an installer package and requests your administrator's password! However, if you do proceed to run the installer..." In other words, you have to activate it yourself. A trojan that rings the doorbell and asks you if it can come in. And please note the use of the word "may". Meaning, only if your machine settings allow it in the first place. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:53 PM We are talking MAC people... mp
Hear Bonnie?
MAC the same sort that prefer the tastless cheese with tubular pasta from a box....because you just need to boil water.
Sincerely,
I know, I know, I know....you lye somewhere over |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Nov 07 - 08:56 PM No, we're talking operating systems and programmes. Or at least, we were. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:56 PM Boy long thread. Now about how to get your images to Flickr from iPhoto. Here's how you do it: Transfer all the pics you took from the camera to iPhoto. Holding down the Apple key click on each photo you want to upload to the web site where you store them. Click on the Share menu and choose Export, at the bottom. Click on the Scale Images no larger than button. Input 432 in the width space (72 dpi by 6") Click on the Use Filename button. Click on Desktop when the directory opens. Click on the New Folder button at the bottom on the Left of the directory. Call the new folder whatever you like. Click on OK and Create and wait for iPhoto to export the adjusted images to the folder you made on the Desktop. Upload the images to your website by whatever method they offer from the folder on the Desktop. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 10:57 PM Mac users don't get viruses yet. The scare last week turned out to require you to install the trojan in order to be infected by it. It was from a porn site, hoping to lasso in those dumb enough to fall for it. There have been many attempts and they've thus far all failed. Interesting. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:03 PM Virus Software: Recently on the Mac list, because of the trojan scare, we have discussed this to death. As usual, Norton was widely decried. It's been that way for 10 years now at least. So stay away from Norton. You don't need to run anti-virus software on the Mac, not even to protect PC users. But you do have to be smart about Word, because you can pass on macro viruses. However, if you work somewhere that insists you use something, use Intego. You don't yet need it, it's not expected to be necessary for quite a while still, but anyway. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: elfcape Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:10 PM Now about using iPhoto as an editor: iPhoto is amazingly powerful as a basic editor. It permits you to crop, to adjust contrast and brightness, and to adjust curves and levels. Now I'm a professional photographer and I don't use iPhoto for anything. But there is no need for Photoshop for the average point and shooter as long as they learn to use the features under the "Edit" button and then learn to use Export. And being able to create albums and run slideshows from them by dragging and dropping the images from your library onto your album is pretty simple. It's even quite neat to discover that you can open your Screensaver and Desktop Control Panel and select one of your iPhoto albums to run as your screensaver. Now I'm not talking professional users here. Just your average person who cuts off a bit of the top of the grandma's head during the Christmas visit. iPhoto is pretty intuitive for that type of picture taker. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: ragdall Date: 12 Nov 07 - 11:11 PM I use Macs at work sometimes (teaching on call in computer classes). I love the new ones, mostly because they are new and look so cool. The old I-Macs are a nuisance. I spend most of my class time restarting machines which have "frozen" while students are using them. I switched from Mac to PC at home when I bought a new computer in 1996 because the software I wanted to use to interact with people on the internet was not avaliable for Macs and because the software that was available for Macs cost three times as much as it would for a PC. rags |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 13 Nov 07 - 05:38 AM > You do have to be smart about Word, because you can pass on macro viruses This Word macro thing has been worrying me but I don't know what I need to do to protect against it. In Word's Preferences I don't see any facility for turning off or barring macros. The only option I can find is for it to give/not give you a prior warning menu. If you opt for it, you then have the choice whether to open the document with or without its macros. But - I presume - even opening it without macros means they're still there. Two questions: If a Maccie opens a document that contains a mal macro, what does it do to their computer and email? What to do if you're sending Word docs on as an attachment to PC users? The only thing I can think of is to open it without macros, then copy/paste the text into a new Word doc? Or won't that work? I want to "be smart" about using Word but I don't know how! There's also a Nasty that lurks in .jpg images - or doesn't that apply here? Thanks for your helpful input - |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Marc Bernier Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:18 AM Bonnie, you asked earlier what music program I was useing. I write music with MusicTime Deluxe, a GVOX product. I'v ben useing various editions of musictime since '94or'95 always on a mac untill now. It runs on the PC, just not well. They'r tech support says there's nothing that can be done at the moment. they are in the process of trying to bring the program up to Vista operating standards. All I know is it always worked fine on my Mac. |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:22 AM Elfcape .... The editing features on iPhoto must be a new feature added since June .... if I recall there were no editing features ... regarding anything like colour, contrast, sharpness. Or if there was it was totally insignificant. I would have thought Mac would deliver a pretty superior photo editing application with their software. MS Vista also has that screen saver feature ... it also displays a mini slideshow (if you so wish) on a panel on your desktop ... along with local weather, news bulletins etc. ..... that was one of the sales promotion features of the Mac at the time .... in fact Vista is evolving into a Mac. No need to goto Bootcamp soon ... you'll will get all the benefits of a Mac on MS PC :) biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: Amos Date: 13 Nov 07 - 09:56 AM Vista is starting from a serious handicap of bloated complexity beyond reason, which will make it hard to migrate toward Machood! The Word macro virus is defeated by declining to enable macros in a document you have received from anywhere else, and in my experience, anyway, it is very rare to even see it. Word asks about enabling macros on opening a doc which contains them. MS also has a remedy for it, or used to; I haven't looked into it for several years, since before OS X. A |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 13 Nov 07 - 11:14 AM "Vista is starting from a serious handicap of bloated complexity beyond reason, which will make it hard to migrate toward Machood!" I can't help but agree to that (well articulated) statement of yours Amos. biLL |
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Subject: RE: tech: How Many Mudcatters using MACs? From: GUEST,JTT Date: 13 Nov 07 - 03:31 PM i can never understand the passionate way people go on about computers. They're only fancy typewriters crossed with TVs and telephones, folks! If you like a Mac, use a Mac; if you prefer a PC, use a PC! It's not a religion! |
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