BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'

Subject: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: khandu
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 01:18 AM

A humbled Mike Tyson tonight, when asked about his future, said that he may "fade into bolivian". I hope he does. I am elated over the results of the fight and hope we see little of Tyson in the future. Maybe he will be happy in Bolivia!

khandu

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 01:19 AM

It didn't work out so good for Butch and the Kid, tho, did it?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 01:24 AM

Excerpt from STORY:

Lewis, who had vowed to beat Tyson to restore order to the heavyweight division, pounded him with jabs from the first round on, keeping Tyson away and out of range. When Tyson did get close, Lewis would hit him with a right uppercut or an overhand right.

Tyson was exposed as a fighter with limited skills who kept trying to throw punches at the champion but connected only occasionally. Tyson kept trying to rush in and land a big punch, but never hurt Lewis with any of them.

Tyson was bleeding from cuts and from his nose when Lewis hit him with a series of punches early in the eighth round that buckled his legs and nearly put him down. Cotton ruled it a knockdown and gave him an 8-count.

When the fight resumed, Lewis went after Tyson again, throwing right hands and jabs before finally connecting with a huge right hand that crashed into the side of Tyson's face, sending him sprawling on his back.

Tyson had gone into the ring an underdog for the first time in his career, and it was quickly apparent why.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 01:30 AM

Mike Tyson is a subhuman troll, and it is absolutely shameful that the media try to cash in on his "fame" by keeping him in the spotlight. The guy is a convicted rapist, ferchrissakes!

Not that it's any effort to give boxing a bad name. That "sport" should be banned!

Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: C-flat
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 04:55 AM

Hopefully that should end talk of a three-fight deal. It really is time for Tyson to disappear from boxing for good. I'm not sure what Bolivia has done to deserve getting Tyson but if that's where he wants to be........

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: Terry K
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 05:09 AM

Michaelr - is banning your solution for everything that you don't fully understand and have no interest in?

If so, maybe you could tell us all how the people involved in the sport would pay their mortgages and feed their children? You ought to know that the great mainstream of boxing is not representative of tabloid cover of the likes of Tyson.

On a serious note, Lennox did a fantastic job in beating both of the guys in the ring, though they both seemed determined he shouldn't.

And Tyson will fight on because he needs the money, as do the commercial interests who run sport these days.

Cheers, Terry (who was up at 3.00 a.m. to watch)

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: selby
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 07:52 AM

As for banning boxing some young people have found it a channel for their energys and through it become model citizens, of which in the begining Tyson was one, it was the death of the guy that nutured him and the hangerson after that event that spoilt him, commercialisim not boxing. A great worry now is that bare knuckle fighting without rules or regulation is taking place, boxing with rules regulation and all that goes with it should be encouraged to save people,s lifes. Hopefully Lewis will become a figure for all that is good in the sport and boxing can get away from the detractors that without much thought want to ban it. Keith

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 08:52 AM

The worst part about Tyson "fading into Bolivian" is that it provides him more time for thuggery on the public at large. "Iron Mike" is a prison sentence waiting to happen...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: khandu
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 11:04 AM

I agree, Bobert. Tyson is a mental case and needs help. There was a time when he could have been directed properly and possibly become a decent human. However, TPTB saw him as a money machine and cared nothing about his personality. Now, he is a danger to himself and society, while the fat cats count the money!

khandu

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 11:17 AM

Now I don't mean to be the lone voice of dissent here (especially in a discussion about a dangerous nutball like Tyson)...BUT there have been a number of times when I've heard him say some remarkably articulate and surprising things. I'm not fully convinced that his head is as empty as it's often portrayed. Keep in mind that he got revoltingly rich REALLY early, and naturally was surrounded by hordes of sycophants. Like lots of 'bottom of the rung' kids who make it huge in music and sports, and have massive power before they're barely twenty. Granted, most of them don't SEEM as nuts as Tyson, but their jobs aren't soley beating rivals into a pulp. I tend to think he grew really out of control after Cus D'Amato died, and he felt he had no one left to trust.

Remember another heavyweight who went insane...Trevor Burbick?

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 12:56 PM

Which of the different Mike Tyson's you get appears to depend on whether he is taking his meds. Has to go off them to fight. Not defending his actions, but a lot of us around here have to strike a balance between our meds and our creativity, so on that level we should be able to relate somewhat.

But to contrast defeated athletes-- would you rather be the defeated Mike Tyson, or the defeated Michelle Kwan? There is a reason, beyond her talent, why she is adored, win or lose. She lives a good life and hasn't harmed people. Tyson is reaping the results of his own decisions, however they may have been subverted by profiteers.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: alanabit
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 02:17 PM

I am glad about the result. I thought it would be a test of Lewis's nerve. I always felt that if he refused to be intimidated and cover up - thus allowing Tyson to attack his body - he would be safe. That's what happened. He used his considerable boxing skills and physical advantage to win convincingly. I dislike a lot of what Tyson has said and done. In fact, like most folks, I dislike rape intensly. However, on this occasion it appears that Tyson was dignified in the face of a painful thrashing. Give him credit where it's due for that. I hope that neither of them ever enter a boxing ring again.

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 03:46 PM

Terry K - to answer your second question first: You might as well ask "if the IRA is decommissioned, how will those fighters feed their families?" Come on now... the answer is obvious: those who make their living being involved in the sorry spectacle known as professional boxing, could and should switch careers to something more productive and beneficial to society as a whole, such as the teaching or health care professions.

Whether I "fully understand" boxing is debatable; I'm sure a fan or insider would say I don't. I do have an interest in it, as I do in many things that impact how we, as a society, function and interact. Boxing appeals to the baser insincts of the human animal, those who want to see faces smashed, bones cracked, and blood spilled. I will even concede that there is a benefit to having this played out on the screen, as it may vicariously satisfy those who would go out and engage in such behaviour themselves.

However, it's brutal and it's ugly, and it is not "sporting" by any stretch of the definition.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 03:52 PM

Apart from the fact that the boxers volunteer for this pastime, it almost makes fox-hunting look civilised! (Tongue firmly in cheek)

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: GUEST,Anahootz
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 04:21 PM

The best boxing matches are not, as Michaelr would have us belive, pugilistic thuggery consisting of two guys beating each other to a bloody pulp with the minimum of skill. The best matches are the ones where skill and experience in the fistic arts are displayed, outpointing the opponent in the process. Beyond that, boxing is a pretty pure "contest" as it involves the imposition of will upon another like-minded individual...to the extent that one contestant is forced to accept that on that particular day, on that particular fight, he is not the "greatest", as so many boxers would model themselves. It is a sport (and note that I didn't say individual athletes) that values will, courage, and determination above all else.

Having said that, I think heavyweights are a joke these days...there was more holding in that match than at a slow-dance marathon, and neither fighter demonstrated any real skill in searching for or finding a point combination that worked. The real sport is dominated by the smaller weight classes, and that is where the future of boxing lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: Terry K
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 05:31 PM

Thanks michaelr, you have confirmed exactly what I meant about your lack of understanding of the mainstream of boxing. I only hope your comments about other matters in life are not quite so superficial.

Which, given your IRA analogy, means I am probably going to be disappointed. Forget the front and back pages of your favourite tabloid, even "The Sun" has got more depth on some of its inside pages (allegedly).

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 06:22 PM

I am tickled to see this "ape" humbled. The only thing that would have been better would be if the girl he raped had been capable of doing that to him.

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: GUEST,Republican Party Headquarters
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 06:27 PM

With his celebrity and his command of the English language, he surely has to be taken seriously as a candidate for the White House. He has evidently even heard of Bolivia.

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 06:37 PM

Well he DID go to prison Kendall.....so at least the opportunity was there!

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: Tyson-- fade into 'bolivian'
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jun 02 - 11:27 PM

Prison? he belongs in a zoo!