BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight

Subject: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 09:36 PM

For those of us in the US, don't forget to re set your clocks tonight. Fall back an hour.

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 10:27 PM

Not all of us...

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 10:29 PM

I suppose it might be trite to refer to Dylan's "Times They Are A-Changin" at a time like this, but I think that Spaw did a grteat job of it in this thread (click). Far be if from ME to call Spaw trite...
Do they have Daylight Savings Time in other countries, or is this an American anomaly?
-Joe Offer-

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Oh, I goofed. The song was bosted by Spaw, written by Micca. Nobody would EVER call Micca trite... I guess that means the Brits must do daylight savings, if Micca the Brit wrote such a song.

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: mack/misophist
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 10:34 PM

Can't remember the details, but I'm certain one other country has something similar.

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 10:51 PM

Lots more than one, misophist--more like 70. Here's more than you ever wanted to know about Daylight Saving Time, including a page on Daylight Saving Time around the world. I never realized that in 1986 Congress added an extra 4 weeks of DST. Hmmm...wonder what else they did while we weren't looking? I do remember going to my med school classes in the dark in 1974.

This is one of the things that DougR and I have in common! We each live in a state that doesn't do DST (Hawaii, Arizona...and most of Indiana). What it means to me is that when I call my sister in Massachusetts or my daughter in California I have to remember what season it is (not always an easy task here!) in order to know how many hours behinder we are.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Mudlark
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 11:15 PM

Why, why do we persist in this folly....I know of absolutely NO one who likes turning back the clock. Maybe it had validity when over 50% of the population was milking cows at 5AM, but with family farms gone the way of the dodo, and even farms on urban type schedules, I cann't fathom the need for messing about with the time like this.

I especially hate it as I am a night person, which means that as of tomorrow, if I change my clocks, I've even less chance of occasionally seeing a beautiful sunrise.

Are there any Catters out there that positively look forward to this?

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 11:18 PM

Well, I'm gonna organize these hillbilly up here in this Wes Ginny holler next year, that's fir sure. I'm sure this is one of them "ruling class' thing but me and the Wes Ginny slide rule can't figure out what they're up to. I undersatnd the part where they steal the houar and get us back to the assembly lines an hour earlier, but then they go and give it back. Hmmmmmmm? You got a line on this one, Dougie, since you are in the inner circle...

Bobert (yawn...)

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 11:19 PM

http://www.worldtimezone.com/daylight.htm

http://www.worldtimezone.com/index.shtml (world map with time zones)

http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-usa12.html

http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-europe.htm

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 11:41 PM

All of the time zone stuff that Bill listed is far too confusing! I propose a new world standard. Your first problem is that you are operating on the Grenwich MEAN Time standard which is often just as mean as it's name indicates. So let's swap to the more user friendly Icelandic Kinder Gentler Time standard to do our conversion tables. This also does away with the silly concept of the International Date Line (not the 900 one) which foists upon us the ludicrous idea that, though it is tomorrow there, it is yesterday here...which in point of all evidence is patently untrue, as it is today everywhere. Now we can move along on our new time standard formula at a more logical and simpler pace.


Take the current surface area of Iceland and subtract the linear distance between there and Pago Pago. Divide this by the square root of Joe Offer. (I use Joe here as this will help him in his recent marriage. Since very few males have a square root, his love life will possibly be enhanced, although it could be hindered. I have no "personal" knowledge of Joe's current situation but I'm inclined to believe he may be in need of a little help as I overheard his wife describe Joe's equipment as a "melting fudgcicle, flanked by two jelly beans.") In any case, take this total and multiply it by the number of clocks in your home, less the number of dead wristwatches in your upper right hand dresser drawer. Add the difference total (in minutes) of the aforementioned clocks and divide by the average versus the time on your current wristwatch. You can now differentiate under the equal sign to calculate the value of X, that being the time where you live. Don't forget to use the value of Pi as a constant...and since the value of pie at diners between Toronto and Buffalo is $1.75 (US), use that (1.75) instead of the more traditional 3.14159 figure.

Putting it all together you can now readily see that when it is 3:30 A.M., October 27, 2002, in Otswego, it's 2:48 A.M.,October 18, 1893 in Waycross, Georgia. Of course it's always that time in Waycross so don't be confused.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Oct 02 - 11:58 PM

I am on GRINCH Mean Time and thus I am so redundant I have more time and more fun than ever. PLUS an extra hour to sleep on it!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Coyote Breath
Date: 27 Oct 02 - 01:24 AM

Yeah the DST thing is a silly notion, especially in the spring when it used to take me a week to recover from the loss of an hour's sleep. Now, in the fall I "get it back". sheesh! wotta crock!

Since I retired, though, I barely remember that there is such a thing as time. I don't own a watch and all my house clocks tell different times. My girlfriend will attest to my usually being late for stuff. Of course she was telling me that for ten years before I retired. She, on the other hand, insists on getting there early! When we go to the cinema, we usually arrive before the ushers will allow customers into the seat area. Sometimes by as much as a half an hour. We DO get the choice seats,though.

CB

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: nutty
Date: 27 Oct 02 - 01:52 AM

I wish someone would explain this "extra hour in bed" to my dogs who always take a couple of weeks to adjust when the clocks go back.
This results in some uncomfortably early mornings .....ouch

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Banjer
Date: 27 Oct 02 - 04:08 AM

I happen to like DST! It gives me more daylight in the evening to do things after work. I wish we could stay on it year round...

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: alison
Date: 27 Oct 02 - 04:34 AM

we (Oz) sprung forward, and the UK went back too......

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Oct 02 - 09:44 AM

Um, not just "US'ers". Time zones have the nasty feature of extending beyond political boundaries. I too, in Ontario, have to wake an hour earlier, or sleep an hour longer. I tend to prefer the former, it feels like I get more life.

Frankly, I think we keep too close a watch on the clock (lousy pun, I know). The maple tree is completely baren of leaves while the basswood is still green and the birch is half yellow...must be late October.

What time is it? Autumn. (Close enough?)

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Hrothgar
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 02:17 AM

As of Sunday, Australia has five time zones (ignore Alison - she's in Sydney, and they have trouble realising that Australia reaches north of Newcastle).

In Queensland, we live in the real world and are still on Eastern Standard Time.

New South Wales, Victoria, and Tasmania are one hour ahead of us (without going into the moral of psychological debate over this) because they are now on Daylight Saving Time (also known as Daylight Raving Time or Southern Plastic Time).

South Australia, which is normally half an hour behind us on Central Australian Time, is now half an hour ahead.

The Northern Territory, is still on Central Australian Time, and is still half an hour (and fifty years) behind us.

Western Australia is still on its normal time, two hours behind us.

Like it?

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Bagpuss
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 05:26 AM

Er Banjer - doesn't putting the clocks back give you an extra hour of light in the morning, and hence earlier darkness in the evening? For example what would have been 6pm is now 5pm and hence its now darker at 5pm than it would have been if you didn't put the clocks back.

Bagpuss

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: gnu
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 05:28 AM

from above "...but I'm certain one other country has something similar." That would maybe be Canada ? where DST was "invented" and implemented to give the outside workers an early start and "centralize" the daylight hours. At the peak of the winter season, daylight falls, for most of the populated portion of the country, between 0800h and 1600h. Which means, of course, that you go to work in the dark and knock off in the dark, having put in a days work while it was nice for doing other things. It gets so dreary that the only reason we don't have so many acts of random violence and so much crime as "down south" is that it's too f***ing cold and dark during the off hours. You think we are soooo polite and friendly as Canucks ? No, we're just so f***ing bored that we greet each other with joy just to have someone to talk to... if we can see each other through the darkness and snow.

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: greg stephens
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 05:38 AM

There is a serious geographical split in Britain on this. Every year when the clocks go back the southerners whine about their lost late afternoon light, but the Scots and northern English are delighted with the extra light in the mornings and are prepared to tolerate dark afternoons.

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Mr Happy
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 05:39 AM

i'm in favour of clock changing- its just not done right though.

in uk the hour changes 1 hour back on a sunday morning about 2am.

the hour-backing process should take place at closing time in the pubs every saturday night 9(7&every other night too!)

on weekdays, it should be an hour back in the morning [extra time in bed] then an hour [or two] forwards in the afternoon.get home while its still light!

what y'all think? good idea eh!

Subject: RE: BS: US'ers Fall Back Tonight
From: Hrothgar
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 11:15 PM

Anything is better than what happened last year. Change-back day was Easter Sunday, in the middle of the National Folk Festival. Guess who turned up an hour early for the first workshop on Sunday and wondered why there was nobody there?