BS: More Christian Persecution

Subject: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 08:34 AM

Well, this is an interesting twist...

Israeli church set fire in possible extremist arson attack
By ARIEL SCHALIT, Associated Press
Updated 7:55 am, Thursday, June 18, 2015


TABGHA, Israel (AP) — A Catholic church near the Sea of Galilee was heavily damaged by fire Thursday in a possible attack by Jewish extremists.

A fire broke out at the Church of the Multiplication in the middle of the night, causing extensive damage to the inside and outside of the building, said Israel police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld.

A passage from a Jewish prayer, calling for the elimination of idol worship, was found scrawled in red spray paint on a wall outside the church.


a href=http://www.timesunion.com/news/crime/article/Church-near-Sea-of-Galilee-damaged-in-possible-6334597.php>Article Here

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 08:38 AM

There is mass persecution of Christians across the Middle East, leading to a collapse in their numbers everywhere EXCEPT Israel, where there are very few and isolated incidents.

So, why do you only and always attack Israel Greg?

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 08:48 AM

Anyone doing a sweep on how many posts before deletion?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 08:51 AM

Greg trolling again.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 09:23 AM

What a totally toxic bunch you are.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 09:56 AM

That's us :-)

Better than a great whinging wassock who adds nothing to the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 10:01 AM

No it isn't.. it is just stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 10:08 AM

What is?

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 10:18 AM

"possible arson attack by Jewish extremists"

Why bother posting that Greg?   anything is "possible", but you wouldn't bet your wages on it being true.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 11:13 AM

Why bother posting that Greg?

Its current events & its news. And its an example of Christian Persecution - an issue that several here have a real bug up their rear about.

What's the problem? Are you saying this ISN'T an example of Christian Persecution?

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 11:42 AM

You post this stuff to be obnoxious and you haven't even the decency to be honest about it. You need to grow up and stop treating the rest of us like we don't see through your nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 11:43 AM

It certainly sounds like Christian persecution, Greg. I suppose because of your track record, others are accusing you of being up to mischief again.   I prefer to wait and see , and may hap you have no hidden agenda here.   You don't hear so much of trouble between Jews and Christians , although there is some umbrance taken by some Jews when Jesus is presented as their messiah.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 12:13 PM

Hey, HiLo, Ake, Guest et. al. - don't shoot the messanger! I would have thought you and the rest of the beleagured Christans would have been happy to have another episode of obvious persecution reported. Even pete isn't complaining!

Or is "persecution" for you lot afluid concept and contingent upon who is doing the persecuting?

Subject: More Christian Persecution?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 12:52 PM

"Christian persecution"? I don't think so. It looks to me like it's a crime committed by an individual extremist or perhaps a group of extremists. I think "persecution" implies misdeeds committed by those in authority or those in the majority.
No issue here, folks. Move along.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 12:55 PM

"but you wouldn't bet your wages on it being true."
No?
Amazing how some people are quick to dismiss reports of extremism of one religious group, yet hold entire religious communities responsible when they are not their particular 'flavours of the month' - "Zionist extremism? - never!!!"
Great to be back among the fait-minder!!
Jim Carroll
   
From today's Jeruasalem Post:
"4 more members of Lehava Jewish extremist group arrested in connection to arson attack
Members of the group are suspected in the arson of the Jewish-Arab Max Rayne Hand in Hand School in Jerusalem.
Police arrested four more members of the Jewish radical group Lehava on Sunday for incitement, resulting in a total of 17 arrests of members of the extremist organization since three were charged with setting the nation's largest integrated school on fire last month.
According to police, eight unidentified members of the organization residing in Jerusalem, Rishon Lezion, Herzliya, Betar Illit and Netivot were initially apprehended in their homes during the early morning hours, although four were subsequently released.
"Eight suspects who belong to Lehava were arrested and detained for questioning on suspicion of offenses involving incitement to carry out acts of violence and terror for racist motives," Police spokesperson Luba Samri said in a statement.
Last Tuesday the homes 10 other Lehava members, including its leader Bentzi Gopstein, were raided throughout the country, including in Jerusalem, Kiryat Arba, Petah Tikva and Netivot.
All 10 suspects were subsequently charged with incitement and remanded by a judge at Jerusalem Magistrate's Court following their arraignments. Gopstein, who has deemed the charges unconstitutional, remains under house arrest.
Lehava staunchly advocates the anti-Arab ideology of the late Jewish Defense League founder Meir Kahane, who was assassinated in New York City in 1990 after his radical Kach Party was outlawed in Israel for inciting racism.
Calling the arrests a "disgrace," Gopstein's attorney, Itamar Ben-Gvir, claimed last week that the raid is the result of a left-wing conspiracy.
"The politicians from the Left applied pressure to the police to act against Lehava, even though it is clear to them that this is a law-abiding organization openly acting against assimilation," he said.
The crackdown follows a December 13 protest in the capital's Zion Square demanding Lehava be outlawed.
Yitzhak Gabai and brothers Nahman and Shlomo Twito, aged 18 to 22 and from in the West Bank settlement of Betar Illit, were arrested on December 7 for allegedly setting on fire a preschool classroom in Jerusalem's Jewish-Arab Max Rayne Hand in Hand School on November 29.
The trio is also charged with spray-painting Hebrew graffiti on the school's interior walls stating "Kahane was right," "You can't coexist with a cancer," "Enough with assimilation" and "Death to Arabs."
In a statement, the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) said the three targeted the nation's largest integrated educational institution "because Jews and Arabs learn together at the school and the goal was to put opposition to coexistence and assimilation in the public eye."
Funded by an NGO promoting Jewish and Arab coexistence, the Max Rayne Hand in Hand School serves more than 600 Arab and Jewish pupils from pre-kindergarten to 12th grade throughout Jerusalem.
It is overseen by Jewish and Arab co-principals.
According Gabai's and the Twito brothers' attorneys, their confessions were coerced under duress during interrogations that included sleep deprivation and physical threats.
"We discovered that they had been seriously abused, sleep deprived, faced mental pressure, and one of the suspects said that, already on the first day, a Shin Bet investigator threatened to 'kick his ass' if he didn't confess."
Due to the alleged coercion, both attorneys have claimed that the confessions are inadmissible.
The Shin Bet described the arson at the school as "the latest in a series of violent incidents involving Kahanist activists from Lehava."
Lehava made national headlines in August when its members attempted to disrupt the wedding of an Arab man to a Jewish woman who had converted to Islam."

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 01:04 PM

So, have I got this one right? Greg posts something that may be of interest. Keith says it is not Christian persecution because it is not in his definition. Other people take umbridge and suggest Greg is causing trouble, even though many have posted the same thing before and not been accused of the that. HiLo comments that it is toxic and that people posting to it are stupid, even though he (she? it?) has just posted as well.

You couldn't make this stuff up...

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 01:15 PM

Re the late thred:
Can I just add that it's a bit much that guest trolls can be the cause threads of threads closing by the simple use of abusive language
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 01:25 PM

Not what I said at all Dave, you seem to read English differently than most. I did not say that people posting are stupid, I said that this whole business of posting in order to cause trouble is both toxic and stupid. And it is. And it isn't the guest trolls who get threads closed.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 01:33 PM

Not what I said Dave.
It is Christian persecution.

I just wondered why it was singled out, when it is rare by Israelis yet all over the region there is extreme persecution and actual genocide of Christians that goes unremarked.

I asked why you people always and only attack Israel and ignore the far worse offenders all around.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 01:52 PM

I think "persecution" implies misdeeds committed by those in authority or those in the majority.

Joe, please. It implies no such thing. "Move Along?" Who's taking the piss now?

For your benefit & education:

OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY ONLINE

persecution, n.

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Etymology: < Anglo-Norman persecution, persecucion, persecuciun and Middle French persecution... (Show More)

1.

a. An instance or act of persecuting; an injurious act.

b. spec. A particular course or period of systematic violent oppression, esp. one directed against the members of a particular religious or political group, race, etc.

c. In early use: difficulty, affliction, tribulation. Later: persistent annoyance or injury; harassment; an instance of this.

d. Oppression, esp. on the grounds of religious faith, political belief, race, etc.; the fact of being persecuted. Also: the action of pursuing or persecuting a person or group with hostile intent.

e. Psychol. Victimization, esp. as imagined in certain forms of paranoid mental disorder.

Nothing in there about majorities or groups in authority.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 01:55 PM

I asked why you people always and only attack Israel and ignore the far worse offenders all around.

Answer: We don't.

There. All taken care of.

Subject: RE: BS: More Christian Persecution
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 15 - 02:00 PM

You have only ever attacked Israelis for this evil when they are almost wholly innocent.
You have never started threads about the extreme persecution and actual genocide of Christians outside Israel.

You have joked that they deserve it.
So Greg, why do you always and only attack Israel for it?