BS: Pelosi

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Amos
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 02:22 PM

Impeachment may well be off the table, right now, as an emotional backlash that would turn on every AA gun the right has to bring to bear. When Pelosi is the speaker in fact, and a few more strings get pulled, it may well become a graceful inevitability. You can be dramatic or you can be effective, and Madam Speaker has always opted for the latter. But the truth, and the karma, is not going to go away.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 03:07 PM

I would like to see both Bush and Cheney impeached. Hell, I would like to see them tried for war crimes!   And toss in Rumsfeld and a couple of others for good measure!

BUT—

If that's what Pelosi and the newly elected Democratic congress goes for right off the bat, Washington, D. C. will turn into a political battleground, there will be divisiveness till hell won't have it, and absolutely nothing that NEEDS to get done will actually GET done!! And you know what? If that happens, the people here who are screaming the loudest for scalps will be the first to blame the Democrats!

I want to see the war in Iraq come to a swift and, hopefully, orderly end and the troops brought home. I want to see the Patriot Act repealed and habeas corpus restored. I want to see a substantial raise in the minimum wage. I want to see steps taken to establish a national health care system. I want to see steps taken to preserve the quickly deteriorating environment (and Barbara Boxer will be replacing the current obstructionist Republican, James Inhofe, who heads the environmental protection committee—in fact Democrats will be replacing several Republican committee heads, and that's nothing to sneeze at!). I would like to see a lot of things that the Democrats have stated are on their agenda.

But NONE of that will ever happen if we get embroiled in an impeachment battle right from the start.

When the building is on fire, you put out the fire first. Then you grab the arsonists and toss them into the slammer!

Fer Crissake, people, get your priorities straight!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 03:14 PM

Thank you, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 03:36 PM

Well, amongst you patriots there should have been ONE of you willing to give that SOB a blowjob!

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:11 PM

After all, "Clinton got a blow job!" words an music by Eric Schwartz

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:15 PM

Bravo Brucie!! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:24 PM

Been following this thread and most people seem to think that establishing a Democrat administration is the most important item on the table.
They are wrong. Some one must swing for Iraq both in the US and UK.
Without some sort of justice we are without credibility.
And we must make sure that this greatest political crime in my lifetime is never repeated......That is the most important thing....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:33 PM

Clinton Got a Blowjob by Eric Schwartz


George Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction
Clinton got a blowjob
Even if it was the deception and not the suction
Clinton got a blowjob

What's worse...starting a war
Or keeping your Cohibas in a human humidor.
Who got impeached? And what for?
Oh right...Clinton got a blowjob

George Bush vacationed while New Orleans drowned
Clinton got a blowjob.
Sat in a classroom with the towers falling down
Clinton got a blowjob

He fucked up F.E.M.A
Which fucked up Katrina
Not to mention the Conventions of Geneva
With twenty-four civilians murdered in Haditha
Clinton got a blowjob

How can a man without a brain
Cause a nation so much pain
Cause a world to feel such hate
For these so-called United States
And how could the congress help but act
In the face of every fact I have presented here
The comparison couldn't be more clear

Bush authorized leaks of classified information
Clinton Got A Blowjob
To make the case for attacking sovereign nation
Clinton Got A Blowjob

Guantanamo, Downing Street, electro-shock on Iraqi feet
Makes that blue dress seem so sweet
Clinton got a blowjob?

Bush funds sex ed that says that condoms don't work.
Clinton got a blowjob.
If they didn't, both your daughters would be pregnant, you jerk
Clinton got a blowjob.

Bush lied about his bust for driving drunk
Clinton's biggest crime was having spunk
And for choosing a statue less than statuesque
And setting her on display under the oval office desk

Stem-Cell Research, Abstinence, Global Warming, Missile Defense,
Goin' AWOL from the National Guard, find some some more, it' not that hard.
Jack Abramoff, Valerie Plame, Al Qaeda's links to Saddam Hussein
Abu Ghraib, Kenneth Lay, our record deficit today
You Wiretapping Info-Leaking-Waterboarding-Power-hoarding
Rights-destroying Christ-Deploying Load of Scat in a Stetson Hat

I'll do my part, I'll play the pawn
If that what it takes to get you gone
I'm my Knees, Dubya, BRING IT ON.
Here's your fucking Blowjob

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 04:43 PM

Lovely icy fury ....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 05:20 PM

"make sure this greatest political crime in my lifetime is not repeated"---that's exactly what would be accomplished by laying bare--for the whole US public to see-- the despicable propaganda campaign the Bush regime engaged in to get the US into the Iraq war. Which is what I suggested.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:25 PM

Now Conyers has said there will be no impeachment. Conyers, Kucinich and others will head powerful committees that can investigate whatever they damn well please, but Conyers just caved in. Democrats are going back on their promises right and left. Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:26 PM

Maybe Bush has implied he'd activate the Military and take the US by force. I wouldn't put it past him.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:28 PM

A bit of patience is necessary. Let's see what is found during these investigations.   It's obvious that leaping to conclusions is the favorite Olympic sport around here.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:32 PM

One of them, Ron. However, six years of lies, corruption and illegal activity, then the new 'rulers' enter to say, 'impeachment is not on the table'. What the hell IS on the table then?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:39 PM

"Impeachment" is a red-flag word. As Mick says, it may yet come to that--but it has to be a wave of anger from the voting public (not the blogging public).--and not just the public left of center. I can see an investigation of the propaganda campaign possibly having the desired effect. But we'll have to see.

Otherwise, as I said, you waste time and money--and alienate the people whose problems are not being attended to.   Which at this point is the majority.

You need an ironclad case--for conviction, not just impeachment.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:45 PM

True. But that remark by Pelosi (and now Conyers) really pissed me off. However, the point you and many other 'cooler' heads have made is a good one. The situation still pisses me off, though, said he as he left muttering . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Barry Finn
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 06:53 PM

Ya, I agree Ron, it may be a red flag word but the republicans had no problems waving it at the drop of a hat. Just like they waved all those other flags & called us all devils at the wispher of desent. I would like to see them burn sooner rather than latter but I'll bide my time for the bettering of the nation & theright timing.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:00 PM

John Conyers is a respected, and decidedly left of center Congressman. He is known as a wise man. He has been in the trenches for a lot of years, and has the scars to prove it. If a fight was the smart thing to do, his history shows he would do so at the drop of a hat. There is absolutely no love lost between him and the Bushies........none.....not one speck. Smart folks would take this as a sign that there is a well thought out plan in place here.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:01 PM

Cheney took command of NORAD and rammed planes into the WTC. False claims of WMDs led to two wars. Trillions missing in govt money. The Constitution invalidated. Nothing to investigate?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:33 PM

"Donkeys led by donkeys".

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 07:58 PM

There's the old joke about the man whose job in the circus is to go round after the elephants picking up the massive quantities of crap they've dropped along the way. When asked why he didn't get a new job he said "What? And give up show business?"

It somehow seems appropriate now. A relevant elephant you could say.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:15 PM

For internal circulation only:

Good work. We're rekindling memories of Bill Clinton's penis among the Democrats. They now want to savor what they perceive as "payback." Feed a few more fagots to the fire (check your code book for the names of those who are next to go) and contrast the resulting smoky stench with the purity of the new breeze wafting off Pelosi's vagina. Or something like that. Hell, I don't get paid to write this crap. Get the hacks to work on it while the limp-wrists are buying. They'll be tuning back in to Oprah next week and we don't want them asking questions for a couple of years.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 09:19 PM

Without internal circulation, the penis thing will never come up anyway!

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST,MM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:02 PM

Of course there is a Democratic plan. Pelosi, Schumer & Dean ran a very smart midterm campaign.

Problem is, the plan ain't about how to get us out of Iraq, or raising taxes to pay to repair for the gutting of our government services at the hands of the Republicans.

The Democratic plan is how to keep Democrats in power, build an even bigger majority in 2008, and take the White House.

Only true blue Democrats believe in this plan.

That plan actually gives most the rest of the country nightmares.

Like I said, I got no joy from this election. For the Democrats, it's about regaining power, not about responsive and responsible governance. It's about winning, and killing the opposition, and demonizing dissent and those whom are deemed as disloyal.

That's the fucking plan.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: bobad
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:14 PM

"The Democratic plan is how to keep Democrats in power, build an even bigger majority in 2008, and take the White House."

Jaysus what a plan, why did no one ever think of that before.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST,MM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:19 PM

Yes, amassing power for power's sake. Another really original idea from the True Blue Democratic Party (tm).

There are plenty of perks once yer in, ya know.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:39 PM

I'm certainly impressed by all the punditry being displayed here. A great deal of Monday morning quarterbacking going on and the game hasn't even started yet.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: number 6
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:01 AM

Pelosi .. I dunno, only time will tell what she can deliver.

But ... ya gotta admit the 'ol gal is certainly better looking than Hastert

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 09:19 AM

And how sexist is it that the main topic of discussing her qualifications are her looks?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:55 AM

The question: is do you want: no more pre-emptive wars on the whim of the Executive, no more assaults on the environment, e.g. pillaging the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, (etc,), a rise in the minimum wage, fuel requirement standards, etc, etc,--or do you want to make the brilliant observation that Pelosi is not perfect--and therefore not up to your standards?

It's fortunate that the voting public appears more sensible than some of our more strident anonymous posters.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:20 PM

Sorry Ron, but it is the True Blue faction that is blind.

We independents and non-partisans want to change the two party system because it is hopelessly corrupted.

All The True Blues have to offer is incremental baby steps.

"The environment" for instance. It's about a whole lot more than just the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and Americans know that.

Which is why animal rights ballot issues passed again this year. Because we need to regulate agribusiness, which is not only inhumane to animals, but it's appalling, inhumane practices also pollute our environment.

But then, you've been spouting the True Blue party line for so long, you didn't know that citizens all over the US are working around partisan apoligists like yourself, in order to actually get things done that need doing.

Which is why the duopolists are now trying to limit the powers of citizen initiatives and referendums.

Citizens are working around politics as usual, by working around BOTH parties.

You guys are the dinosaurs. Non-partisan indies are the future of democracy, because we actually believe in it. The True Blues, on the other hand, don't believe in democratic governance, but iron rule by their team. They believe in autocratic governance by the lesser of two evils. Which is why non-partisan political independents think so little of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:28 PM

Guest--get a name or a handle. Otherwise (this is a recording)---your postings are worthless--and I hope we will all treat them as such. I certainly will.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:32 PM

No, my posts aren't worthless because they are anonymous. That's just the pathetic little response you True Blues always come up with when you can't make a legitimate argument on your on behalf. So you bash the anon messenger, instead.

If my posts were worthless, no one would ever respond to them. And we both know that just isn't the case now, don't we Ronnie boy?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:40 PM

QED

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 12:48 PM

God, what a loser you are. Even after I call you out on being so fucking lame, you still have to try and get the last word in.

YOU DID IT AGAIN RON. You proved my point. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 03:13 PM

From: Richard Bridge - PM
Date: 10 Nov 06 - 11:27 AM

Actually, yes, I do think that we need to consider taking up arms against the plutocracy.

I found this to be an odd post from a European. Advocating taking up arms, when usually they are opposed and critical of our gun laws. The GUEST who haunts this thread criticized me for asking Richard where he was from. I knew when I asked what the answer was, and I think that Richard realized what he was stepping into because he hasn't been back since. GUEST also seemed to suggest that they were in favor of armed response, at least that was the implication. I found that odd because this same person seems to post on both sides of the argument. Usually these loudmouths that advocate, or act like they are advocating, are all mouth. It is easy to advocate taking up arms, but these folks won't be the ones doing it.

Facts are that our system is intact, it is politically driven (meaning that one is accountable to the electorate), and the Democrats (who have, after all, been in opposition on many issues) have no time to waste on hair brained ideas that would alienate the voters. There is an election in less than two years. Make the right moves, as it appears Pelosi is doing, show statesmanship and strong leadership, and we can continue to capitalize on these opening moves. Get dumb, act strident, alienate the voters who voted against Bush's and the Republican radicals, and in less than two years we will be back to where we were. Too many people, too many children, in countries around the world as well as here in the States, are counting on us to do the right thing. There is hope again in the rejection of this madman's foreign policy.

I have said in other threads over the last 5 years that the thing Bush will be judged harshest for in years to come will be his squandering of the goodwill and chance for worldwide unity in the wake of the 9/11 attack. When one looks at the world today, we can see people around the world hoping and wishing us good luck in re-establishing the trust. This is much larger than Democrat/Republican. This is about the life or death of the great experiment launched over 225 years ago. This isn't about just our childrens hope, it is about all childrens hope. It is about keeping the golden lamp lit.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 03:56 PM

Impeachment has to be off the table for now. There are going to be investigations and, if enough can be found to impeach Bush, viola! Impeachment will be on the table. If the dems were to say it is on the table right now, it looks like they're just out to get Bush and you can be certain their opponents will play it up that way.

Conyers already dug up the dirt, now let the evidence be produced and let it speak for itself. When it does, the people will listen and if there is enough to hang on Bush, they will have to hang it and not even the pubs in the Senate will be able to do anything other than vote for impeachment.

But right now, saying it's off the table is like saying he's innocent until proven guilty. I think it was a perfectly reasonable thing for Pelosi to say. Let us see the evidence first, then we'll get Bush when the evidence tells us to--then it's not vindictiveness but a matter of law.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: number 6
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 04:04 PM

Guest ... I expected a post accusing me of being sexist on my comment about Pelosi ... but I feel Pelosi is very political and will surround herself with a clique of chosen political peeple who have a common political power agenda ... like most politicians (regardless of being Democrat or Republican) who reach a certain rank ... politicans who climb to their own aspirations forgetting or simply ignoring the democratric purpose of their elected seat ... so 6 months to a year from now when CNN's Lou Dobbs is ranting (quit rightfully so) on questioning who in Washington is representing or looking out for the interest of the citizens of the U.S. I would rather see Pelosi's face on TV, babbling away in her political rhetoric than watching Hastert's fat sweaty face babbling in his political rhetoric.

But .... I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, regardless of political and philosophical beliefs

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 06:29 PM

It's about winning, and killing the opposition, and demonizing dissent and those whom are deemed as disloyal.

Let me see if I have this right: the Dems are going to adopt the Republican agenda & M.O. of the last 12 years?

I think not.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 11:45 PM

Our hard-charging GUEST tends to jump to conclusions on just about all phases of existence. And he or she seems to love epithets. One of our more Right-leaning folks is fond of calling those who disagree with him "crybaby liberals." GUEST seems to be groping for similar labels, and is currently working the appellation "you True Blues," making a lot of unfounded assumptions about people he or she doesn't know.    Such labels are interesting in that they give a clue as to the mind-set of the person who is fond of using them. It allows him or her to stuff people he (or she) disagrees with into convenient, stereotyped pigeon-holes, thus dismissing anything they have to say. It saves a great deal of thinking.

Grab this, GUEST:   I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Democratic Party. I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of any political party. You assume I am a Democrat, and you are wrong. And you're just as wrong about a lot of people here.

As an independent (not a member of "the Independent Party," I am truly independent), I can communicate meaningfully with all political parties, and since they're all courting independent voters, they tend to listen to them, often more closely than to their own confirmed members. I think a lot of the smarter, more politically astute people here are doing exactly as I am doing.

You're a very angry person, and you're so thoroughly convinced that you are right and everyone else is wrong. You remind me of some of the folks I knew back in the Sixties. For example, the militant pacifist (I knew several of them). They said they believed in non-violence, but often, if you disagreed with them on any issue, they was more than eager to take you out in the alley and beat the crap out of you.

Not a great advocate of the cause they gave lip-service to.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 12:54 PM

SOS, eh Don?

Don't you ever get tired of typing the same lengthy diatribes about how right you are and how wrong I am, over and over, just to prove my opinion means nothing to you?

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 03:00 PM

Because you're wrong and I'm right. Simple as that.

This should make you and other hotheads who won't be happy until they start seeing some heads roll a bit calmer. Or perhaps a bit less likely to have a stroke or heart attack:   

Jay Inslee (Democrat), just re-elected Congressional Representative from Washington State's First Congressional District, has just announced that he plans to launch an investigation into the run-up to the Iraq war and the misinformation given to the American public, and put a trace on the billions of dollars that have gone to Halliburton and other companies in no-bid contracts to determine, among other things, where the money has gone and what, if anything, was ever done with it. He wants full accountability from the Bush administration.

Comprenez-vouz teamwork?

Nancy Pelosi is pretty much the most prominent Democrat in the news right now. If she were to start by launching such investigations, she would immediately (and justifiably) be accused of sabotaging any possible cooperation from the Republicans, disenchanted and otherwise. So quite wisely, she takes the high road. Knowing full well, of course, that this does not mean that others, such as Rep. Jay Inslee, an obscure congressman from way out here in the boonies, can't begin launching the kind of investigations that he intends to do. (Go get 'em, Jay!!)

You see, GUEST, I don't go off half-cocked and explode in all directions. I keep an eye on what's really going on, not just in the headlines, but on the back pages as well.

Thank God cooler heads are in charge.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 03:09 PM

I feel safe now!

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 03:27 PM

Not too "enlightening," but it is amusing.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 03:30 PM

Just hang onto your sense of humour, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 04:29 PM

"Lawmaker's probe of Bush: Where to start?

November 12, 2006
BY ERICA WERNER
LOS ANGELES -- The Democratic congressman who will investigate the Bush administration's running of the government says there are so many areas of possible wrongdoing, his biggest problem will be deciding which ones to pursue.
There's the response to Hurricane Katrina, government contracting in Iraq and on homeland security, decision-making at the Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug Administration, and allegations of corporate profiteering, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) told the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce.

''I'm going to have an interesting time because the Government Reform Committee has jurisdiction over everything,'' Waxman said Friday, three days after his party's capture of Congress put him in line to lead the panel. ''The most difficult thing will be to pick and choose.''"

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 04:32 PM

Maybe it don't matter shit WHAT Pelosi said. That you to all the cooler heads here.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 04:36 PM

"Thank you" I meant to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 05:05 PM

Hey, I don't think you'd find anyone here who would love to see Bush and Cheney empeached than me but...

...it ain't gonna happen and I'll tell ya' why:

There are lessons to be learned from history and the Dems, I think, have been payin' attention here... Look at what happened to the so-called '94 Revolt for starters... It marked the end of a long run by the Dems in Congress but here we are 12 years later and that revolt has all but fizzled out from partisanship and corruption...

Yeah, the Dems could go for the throat here but then they, along with Bush and Cheney, will be out in '08... The voters know that Bush and Cheney have messed up... The Repubs know it... Shoot, my cats know it... But another deeply partisan fight right now would be playin' right into the Repubs hand for '08...

Nancy Pelosi knows this and so it ain't gonna happen...

Bush and Cheney are the best things that the Dems could wish to have around in 2 years so, like I've said before, ain't gonna happen...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi
From: Peace
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:21 PM

"like I've said before, ain't gonna happen..."

Tell that to Waxman.