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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:33 PM Impeach Bush and you get Cheney. I don't suppose you could impeach both of them at the same time? Of course how it was originally supposed to be was that the President was the candidate who came first, and the Vice-President was the one who came second. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Peace Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:34 PM It'sa all bass ackwards in this case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 12 Nov 06 - 07:46 PM Did Waxman mention anything about anti-constutional abomininations? Like the PATRIOT Act. Don't forget, folks, you are now a "domestic terrorist" if you break a law. And if you are "suspected" of terrorism, you can be legally disappeared. If the above is the extent of what Waxman said, then he didn't touch on the destruction of our constitutional rights. Both parties want that "right to arrest anybody" in place. And that's the FIRST thing that needs to be repealed. If no serious Democratic repeal process begins this week, make it your goal to buy a gun next weekend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 12 Nov 06 - 08:16 PM It doesn't work that way McGrath. You can't impeach two people at once. Each person who is impeached is first investigated as an individual by the House Judiciary Committee, where hearings are held. If that committee passes an impeachment resolution and accompanying articles, it goes to the full House for a vote. It requires a simple majority to impeach. The resolution and articles are then handed up to the Senate, who tries the person being impeached. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the trial, and rules on points of law, evidence, etc. At the beginning he swears in all 100 senators, who serve as the jury. House managers act as prosecutors in the Senate part of the trial. House managers during the Clinton trial were all Republican members of the House Judiciary Committee, lead by Rep Henry Hyde, then Chair of the committee. Conviction requires approval by a 2/3 majority of the Senators present at the time the vote is called. If convicted on any article, the person is considered immediately removed from their office, without any further vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Bobert Date: 12 Nov 06 - 08:17 PM Nah, GUEST, this is where we might break ranks... Watch Jim Webb, former Repub, and newly elected Virginia Senator... He is in hot demand as the up-'n-comin' war hero and he has problems with the suspension of habeas corpes and of illegal wiretappin'... Keep an eye on this guy... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 12 Nov 06 - 08:37 PM I agree someone needs to keep an eye on him: http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaw.htm The way the Bush crime family works is through blackmail. The old Skull and Bones initiation thing. Two men have sex with each other, it is photographed, then you can never leave the club. J. Edgar Hoover did that too with his wiretapping and such. But at least whores like Pelosi and Hastert try to hide their indescretions. Then along comes Webb...I mean, maybe he's BEYOND blackmail if he's writing about a father sucking his boy's penis. Geez. Maybe that's what it'll take to put the murder of our constitution on the table for discussion...a pervert who's shockproof willing to risk his life. Hope so. And you keep your eye on him. I can't stand to look at the guy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Bobert Date: 12 Nov 06 - 08:57 PM Yeah, seems you have bought into George (Bush) "Macaca" Allen's PR slam, GUEST... BTW, have you read the books or are you letting folks with their own agendas tellin' you what to think about them??? Nevermind... Your last repsonse answered that question fairly well... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Don Firth Date: 12 Nov 06 - 09:06 PM First thing on the agenda of many Democrats, now that they have a majority in Congress, is repeal of the Patriot Act. By the way, did it ever occur to any of our resident hotheads that impeachment might be too good for Bush and Cheney? There are a number of other legal possibilities. . . . Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Bobert Date: 12 Nov 06 - 09:21 PM Agree, Don... Bush and Cheney are the best thing that the Dems could have goin' into '08... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:12 PM Oh yeah. They murdered 3000 Americans on 9-11. Let's leave them in office and just THREATEN to prosecute them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:29 PM I'd worry more about the 'healing' the U.S.A. is sorely in need of ... arriving at a common ground and getting the old ship back afloat then calling on the revenge of those 2 guys. "the guillotine!, the guillotine!" ... this aint gonna get ya anywhere. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST,I Oink. And I Vote. Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:47 PM Nancy's a babe. Seriously. Seen her up close. Nice laugh, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 06 - 10:57 PM As I mentioned in a previous thread oinker the 'ol gal is a sweetie, but as I also previously mentioned she is very 'political' and will surround herself with a cartel who all have the common agenda of personal gain ... laying aside the focus of healing and getting the country back on track. Pelosi is not the reason the Dems were voted in ... the honour of that goes to all the grassroot Dems who put their beliefs and vision on the line ... these are the ones who will get lost in the political power struggle. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: number 6 Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:06 PM Well ... I just might have to eat my hat on what I just posted ... I just read over on the CNN site that Pelosi will endorse Iraq war critic John Murtha for majority leader. He is certainly what I categorise as a grassroots Dem. Pelosi ... well aint she sweet. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST,I Oink. And I Vote. Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:18 PM Gosh she's priddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Amos Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:46 PM Restore habeas corpus. Demand legal process for eavesdropping, requiring a warrant. Undo the hypocrisy of "free speech zones". Repeal the Patriot Act and reform its provisions to be fully in keeping with the constitution. Track down all the encroachments on constitutional rights and principles -- such as the careful separation of church and state -- and roll them back. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Don Firth Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:53 PM GUEST, I remember an old joke that's much too long to go into here. The relevant part is the punchline, which goes, "Patience, jackass, patience!" Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 13 Nov 06 - 12:45 AM The Democrats didn't pull a miracle out of their pocket. Millions of conservatives voted against the treason, mass murder and theft, and we want Bush and his pack of hyenas in a cage in a courtroom. Yesterday. You people made promises. Pussy-foot around and the Dems will be out quicker than Gore could say "assault weapons ban." The only way to save the U.S. is to rid it of the traitors within. Unfortunately, the US Senate voted 100-0 to take away your habeas corpus, so where the hell do you begin? Impeachment won't work. The ballot box is 2 years away. So we need trials. And start with the head of the snake. The Dems need to pressure federal judges to charge the Bush Administration with high crimes. They've committed a thousand I could list, and any atty in Washington could make a list ten times longer. Big, ugly show trials. Not blowjob trials, but Nuremberg trials. Now. Pelosi looks like she's on her way out, because she can't deal with this kind of heat. The Bushes are going to whack a lot of Democrats before the trials start, so get ready for it. You people wanted the job, it's yours. If you dick around and get diverted by gay rights and baby seals, you will die in concentration camps. Deal with the Bush crime cabal now. There's time for the other stuff later. Pelosi's GONE because tens of millions feel like this. You'd better get focused. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Don Firth Date: 13 Nov 06 - 01:54 AM Okay, GUEST, believe it or not, I agree with a lot of what you say. But try to be a little patient. It isn't going to happen tonight. No hangings in the morning, no matter how much you lust after them. The new Congress isn't even in session yet and won't be for a couple of months. You don't know what's in the works, and those who are going to see that justice is done aren't going to run up and down the streets of the nation proclaiming their intentions through a bull-horn. Righteous rage is an exhilarating feeling. But it can make you irrational if you aren't careful. Simmer down—and watch. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Nov 06 - 02:47 AM Hi Mick, you know I'm in England. You don't know I've been busy. You don't know that I have also said that the people of England should have taken up arms against Thatcher as the Irish did against several English governments (although I hope only against legitimate targets). But you and other "Second Amendment" (is that the right amendment?) junkies have stepped into the little trap I was laying for you. Do you really think that hunting rifles, less effective than the arms fighters against the US and US puppet regimes in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Eastern Meditteranean have will be much use against the proponents of "Shock and Awe"? The "right to bear arms" (for the supposedly legitimate purpose of resisting an overweening government) has become a total irrelevance. I really am busy today too. See you later in the week. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST,MM Date: 13 Nov 06 - 08:14 AM We will all enjoy watching the True Blues around here eat their words. The Democrats will not repeal the Patriot Act. The Democrats will not restore habeas corpus. The Democrats will not amend the laws already on the books for government wiretapping. Nor will they enforce them through oversight. What will they do? They will position themselves as best they can for the 2008 election campaign, and handle the Bush administration with kid gloves. Anyone who thinks the current leadership of the Democratic party has even an ounce of integrity is seriously deluded. Seriously. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Big Mick Date: 13 Nov 06 - 09:54 AM Richard, that is as lame an answer as I have ever seen. You set a trap? C'mon, son. Any 5 year old can see that you got caught by your own words, and are now trying to look as though it was a trap. And the "don't have time now" bit is the standard cover for folks that don't have an answer. First off, I never suggested that I keep arms to take them up against my government. Second, you don't know what arms I have. As far as you know they could be anything from a 22 caliber rifle to full auto assault weapons. Finally, if you were really the intellectual that you pretend to be, you would note that I wasn't advocating armed rebellion in the post above, rather I was baiting the person who talks radical, but really isn't. That is where you jumped in. I will say to you what I said to her. It is easy to advocate violence when you aren't the one who is going to have to carry it out, and have violence committed on you. C'mon back with better than your last post. I have come to expect better of you. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Don Firth Date: 13 Nov 06 - 01:37 PM And GUEST,MM, you know that for a fact, do you? I hear otherwise. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: pdq Date: 13 Nov 06 - 01:53 PM GUEST, MM says: "The Democrats will not repeal the Patriot Act." This summer, the Patriot act came up for re-authorization. Did the Democrats block it? Did they all join hands and vote against it? Here is what the Socialist-run web sight The Guardian has to say: "When the key vote came Thursday, Feingold found he was not entirely alone. Along with Vermont Independent Jim Jeffords, eight Democrats joined Feingold in voting "no" to reauthorization. The eight were: Hawaii's Daniel Akaka New Mexico's Jeff Bingaman West Virginia's Robert Byrd Iowa's Tom Harkin Vermont's Patrick Leahy Michigan's Carl Levin Washington's Patty Murray Oregon's Ron Wyden. While Feingold was not on his own this time, the vote was still lopsided -- 89-10 to renew and extend expiring portions of the Patriot Act, with Hawaii Democrat Dan Inouye not voting. Despite earlier talk...all Republicans and the vast majority of Senate Democrats sided with the Bush White House in favor of legislation..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: 282RA Date: 13 Nov 06 - 07:21 PM Don't tell GUEST you agree with it. GUEST's anti-Bush diatribes have all the sincerity of Chinese propaganda poster. It rages against Bush strictly to get you to say you agree and thereby give it power over you that it feels it lost in this election. As for Pelosi's looks, I agree there is type of classiness some older women have that I find sexy. Andrea Mitchell had it before that terrible makeover that made her look like an asexual 15 year old. Younger is not always sexier. Nothing beats a woman with class. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST,MM Date: 13 Nov 06 - 08:05 PM Well, well, well... Seems Madam Speaker-elect has made a pretty hard turn to the right with this move today. Let's see, shall we go back through your posts and find where you were screaming for impeachment, Ye Hypocrite True Blues? Remind you of where you were standing before the election, and where you are standing now? No need to be patient. Pelosi is doing exactly what I said she would do: pander to the right to put Dems in the best position for 08. They don't come any more conservative, right wing, and ethics challenged in the Democratic party than Murtha. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: 282RA Date: 13 Nov 06 - 08:26 PM Another woman I think wears her she very well is Catherine DeNeurve or however you spell it. Ever see her in 8 Women? Yowsuh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: 282RA Date: 13 Nov 06 - 08:34 PM Sorry I meant to say she wears her age well. Stupid BlackBerry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 13 Nov 06 - 09:20 PM Stupid BlackBerry? Are you racist and fruitist? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: robomatic Date: 13 Nov 06 - 09:41 PM I developed an antipathy to Pelosi a few years back when it looked like the Democrats couldn't gain the courage of their convictions, so had taken on Rep's convictions and couldn't even gain courage there. BUT (US television magazine show) Sixty Minutes did a very nice profile of her the Sunday before the election and turned me right around. A hell of a dame! The election has been a step in the right direction, but we've got a long way to go to make things better and topple W in '08. - - - - - - - - - - - - And this thought from Homer Simpson: "By the time Bart's eighteen we'll have conquered the world! We're China, right?" - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Nov 06 - 10:40 PM Uh, Robo---W will be gone in 2008--even if we don't lift a finger. Cheney has said he won't run--and after the investigations of him, that will be a moot point. Rove has no chance. As of 2009, the whole W mafia will be gone. Then history can finish trashing them. (But it is certainly true that there are some unappetizing choices on the Republican side--though McCain still makes a good bit of sense--and probably has more integrity than anybody who's occupied the Oval Office for decades or longer. It will be interesting to see just how much of a diehard he stays on "winning" in Iraq.) Of course his hardest task will be surviving his own primaries--which is why he's tacking to the Right now. But you can bet that anybody with his background knows what war is--and will only get involved in one for good reason. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 13 Nov 06 - 11:32 PM Bush needs to leave office under indictment. If he gets away without having to answer for the criminal legislation his administration has put into place, all future presidents will have dictatorial powers. The whole leader-state that has been erected while he's been in office needs to be brought down WHILE HE IS IN POWER, or it will be transferred, and then it will be virtually impossible to reverse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 14 Nov 06 - 01:47 AM Trolin, Trolin, Trolin... Keep them Flame posts rollin Runhide! Got your mind all made up, then... Ghost Pester? A good old fashioned lynching would suit you just fine, huh? Or maybe another lovely little revolution... like the French had, where the heads of the aristocracy were rolling around like bolling balls on league night while good people were starving in the streets? No thanks. Due process isn't just a good idea, it's the law. For all we know, you might be wrong. Anyway... Isn't it about time we showed the world how to enjoy the democratic process... by fine tuning ours? Isn't it about time we allowed ourselves to lift everyone up from the fear and the retribution... the intimidation and provocative put downs... by remembering how important Democracy is? Isn't it about time we studied peace and prosperity while consigning our military intelligence to defend us here at home? Isn't it about time we listened to real people instead of paid professional talk radio entepreneurs? Isn't it about time to celebrate how much we have in common... and how we desperately need one another to be happy? Isn't it time we engaged our minds fruitfully while taking pride in authentic spiritual endeavors? Isn't it about time America set a really good example for those countries most in need of one? Yes, it is. ttr |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Richard Bridge Date: 14 Nov 06 - 03:07 AM Well Mick, if you think like a 5-year old..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 14 Nov 06 - 08:55 AM Now Richard, don't overestimate his intelligence--you'll only make him look even more foolish when his wounded ego comes thundering in here to assassinate your character because you dared challenge the Great and Powerful Big Mick. It ain't easy being king of the bullies, you know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Big Mick Date: 14 Nov 06 - 09:13 AM How about this one for both of you? How about you just answer the query? Would either of you like to see a violent overthrow of the democratic process we have? Or would you be satisfied with restoring its integrity? Are you so wed to your ideology,that only revolutionary violence will do? Richard, I have seen posts from many English posters that were angry that Yanks would insert themselves in the Northern Ireland debate. Are you now guilty of the same thing, that is inserting yourself in the American political debate to the extent that you are advocating our citizens take up arms? And I note that you still obfuscate on the questions instead of answering them. MM, folks just laugh at you. It is the same old crap from you. You make these bogus assertions. Someone challenges you, and you start using foul language, denigrate others views, and offer no solutions. By the way, have you noticed that Russ Feingold is a Democrat True Blue? How come he isn't an Independent? I am searching for a statement from him calling Pelosi a sellout for not calling for impeachment. Can't find it. You are an out of touch, bitter, ineffective spokesperson for a radical position that would only yield more misery. And ultimately fail. You are angry that the electorate, in their wisdom, have chosen a different path. You will now call them deluded, and stidently screech that only you have the answers. Check with a mental health professional. This is a condition with a name and a treatment. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 14 Nov 06 - 11:21 AM See what I mean Richard? Just what we've come to expect from the King of the Mudcat Bullies. His MO? He bullies and belittles anyone who disagrees with his opinions. Someone even commented upon his egomaniacal bullying behavior over in Usenet a few years back. And the fact that sure does love his guns. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Big Mick Date: 14 Nov 06 - 12:12 PM Pretty laughable, but it is fun to watch you react so predictably. It is laughable because you are the one who bullies and belittles anyone who disagrees with your position. It goes back to your hatred of veterans which is documented in earlier threads. It goes back to your hatred of middle class Americans who don't share your views, also documented in earlier threads. You always like to bully and when someone like me reacts, you become nasty and foul in your responses. You fool no one, and that is why I get the PM's from any number of Mudcatters telling me to ignore you. Which is what I will do now. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 14 Nov 06 - 12:18 PM "I know you are but what am I" behavior from the always predictable King of the Bullies. Who needs lots of PMs from posters, telling him to shut up and knock it off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Peace Date: 14 Nov 06 - 12:22 PM In Canton we faced a dreary day so filled with--what the fuck? Hey, hello, all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST Date: 14 Nov 06 - 01:00 PM Thomas the Rhymer... Due process? You can't use that as an argument any more. The Military Commissions Act and Warner's Defense Appropriations bill did away with courts and habeas corpus. If you argue due process now, you're aruging in favor of disappearing people (as the Bush crowd did so well in Central America a few years ago), and you're arguing in favor of torturing people to death. I guess you flaming liberals think the world has suddenly changed because some Democrats got into office. Nothing's changed except a few bosses. But the Dems are notorious for being thugs, so they'll get along well with the uber-thugs of the Bush crime family. Due process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Don Firth Date: 14 Nov 06 - 01:09 PM Thomas the Rhymer (at 14 Nov 06 - 01:47 AM) speaks wisdom. For the chronically disillusioned (or the chronically ill-humored) in our midst, I would suggest that before going off half-cocked about what they think the Democrats may or may not do in the next couple of years, maybe it would help to have some idea of what the Democrats say is on their agenda: Clicky. Don Firth (But then, sometimes I wonder why I even bother. They don't read this stuff anyway. I guess it's more fun for them to just bitch and complain and predict impending doom, and feel smug and superior because because others don't see it the way thay do. I think it's a form of belief in some sort of impending sectarian Armageddon.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Peace Date: 14 Nov 06 - 01:20 PM "I guess you flaming liberals" Probably a good song in there. "I am the very model of a modern flaming liberal, I've information vegetable animible, miberal I know the presidential names from Washington to dickhead Bush I also know that being nice occasionally means that one must shush |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Amos Date: 14 Nov 06 - 02:59 PM ..."In fact in things political, which covers ground considerable I am the very model of a modern flaming liberal!" A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: akenaton Date: 14 Nov 06 - 04:21 PM Big Mick may have a point in stating that people like Richard and I have no right to express opinions on American political affairs, but the US administration sure tried hard to convince us "europeans" to join them in their adventure into Iraq. Unfortunately our leaders were easy to convince Each wanting part of the reflected glory of the "Liberation". The electorate in France, Germany ,Spain, Italy and even Britain were never convinced by the lies. Mick is not only wrong but deluded, if he believes the members of this forum ignore the posts of Guest. I for one always read and respect the writing of this poster. He/she hits hard and often, the posts are eloquent and well researched. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the sentiments expressed, this is one poster who can't be ignored. Without folk like this the BS section would be bland and uninteresting. There is something pathetic about people of our age who never question why things never turn out as we would like them to and continually blame the labels for our political misery. I've been a radical all my life, seen the tricks played by the politicians and made plenty of mistakes,but at this stage of my life, I KNOW for sure that sticking our heads in the sand and hoping something good evolves from the Capitalist status quo is self-delusion on the grand scale. I say three cheers for GUEST!! we're lucky to have such an original mind in our group.......and fuck all who support warmongers whether they be "Pubs" OR "Dems"......Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST,MM Date: 14 Nov 06 - 05:30 PM Wow, thanks akenaton. It's refreshing to see someone who sees through the BS of this handful of Mudcat Dems, to stand up and say the emperor has no clothes. They (Don Firth, et al) seem to think they are the sole purveyors of truth around here, and that none of us need think for ourselves, exchange ideas, argue and defend our opinions, because they already have all the answers: the ones they are given by the Democratic party spinners through the filter of corporate media. Funny ole world, ain't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Don Firth Date: 14 Nov 06 - 06:39 PM GUEST,MM, why do you single me out to name? Apparently you haven't been paying attention to quite a number of things I've written here. Among other things, where I said the following: "I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Democratic Party. I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of any political party. You assume I am a Democrat, and you are wrong. And you're just as wrong about a lot of people here.I hear people like you yelling "Off with their heads!" and offering damned little in the way of practical, strategic politics. I am no "party loyalist" as you and your anonymous cohorts keep insisting. I want to see the various members of the Bush administration--and others--get their come-uppance. But I'm far more interested in getting this illegal war stopped, this idiotic and ominous hacking away at our rights in the name of a spurious "war on terrorism" reversed, and get the country back on track and see if we can win back some of the international respect we like to think we had before the freakin' American Imperialists took over. Right now, the Democrats are our best hope of at least slowing the present downhill slide. If not them, then who? What WE need to do is stay on their backs and demand that they fulfill their promises—make sure they actually do what they say they're going to do. All I've heard out of you lot is a chorus of moaning about how rotten the Democrats are and how we're all doomed. Not much practical help. Apart from sharpening and oiling up the guillotine, if you have anything resembling a plan, then let's hear it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Peace Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:20 PM Gentlemen, may I suggest that everyone take a deep breath and THINK? 1) The Democrats are not yet calling the shots. 2) Investigations into various people WILL take place. 3) It is therefore aerly for the shit to hit the fan. Have a very nice evening, all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: GUEST,MM Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:57 PM Yes Don, I'm aware you claim to be a non-party affiliated independent. But if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, I call it a duck. And your penchant for demonizing political independents to your left as "bombthrowers" (as you so love to do with me) is pure demagoguery. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pelosi From: Peace Date: 14 Nov 06 - 07:59 PM Jaysus, you folks use big words. |
