Can Mudcat Do It Again?

Subject: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: eddie1
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 12:53 PM

A friend of mine who has something of an obsession with all things weird in records has hit me with this question;
"In the UK singles charts,a song was featured on a Number 1 record and also the same song (by the same artist),was also featured on the record that was at number 2 in the charts in the same week...it was exactly the same version,not a remix,live version, instrumental,etc.Exactly the same."
I'd love to take him down a peg or two. Any ideas?

Eddie

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 12:59 PM

Beatles: "Please, Please Me"

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: IanC
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:03 PM

Easy ... The Beatles "Hello Goodbye" was No 1. "Magical Mystery Tour" was No 2. An EP ("single") with "Hello Goodbye" on it.

Next ...

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: IanC
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:04 PM

Oops, sorry ... 1967.

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:05 PM

The Jam used to issue ten inch versions as well as the seven inch so that fans would buy both versions and the number one slot would be assured. I suppose they might have put the original version on the ten inch as well to fill out some of that unused vinyl. Perhaps some charts treated the two versions as two different releases - which they were really.

Come to think of Nena's it, 99Luftballons - had the original version on the flipside of the big disc containing the remix and the instrumental version.

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:08 PM

Good one, Ian.

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:09 PM

Beatles: "Please, Please Me"

are you sure....?

Read This And Decide

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:13 PM

I am sure. PPM ain't it.

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:24 PM

Paul Simon's "My Little Town" and Art Garfunkel's "My little Town" ???

biLL

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:25 PM

we then get into the ,are we talking the British or American charts and recordings?

A case in point, Hello, Goodbye is not on the British EP set of Magical Mystery Tour, (it was released as a single and got to No.1) but it is on the much expanded American album version.

Charlotte
Roll up
Roll up for the mystery tour
Roll up
Roll up for the mystery tour
Roll up (and that's an invitation)
Roll up for the mystery tour
Roll up (to make a reservation)
Roll up for the mystery tour

The magical mystery tour
is waiting to take you away

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:28 PM

"Paul Simon's "My Little Town" and Art Garfunkel's "My little Town" ???
this really great song was featured on both Simon and Garfunkel's then current solo albums and was available as a single, but it was the same track, regardless

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: GUEST,Number 6
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:29 PM

It was an actual Simon and Garfunkel recording ... but seperately appeared on each other's solo albums. I beleive it was also released as a single by Paul Simon and a single by Art Garfunkel.

biLL

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:31 PM

Sorry ... crossed post ya there Charlotte.

biLL

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: eddie1
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:33 PM

Thanks guys - I will see if there's a pint in this - if so, I will throw it in the general direction of the Mudcat website!

Eddie

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice)
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 01:40 PM

"Sorry ... crossed post ya there Charlotte."

something about great minds..comes to mind, biLL *LOL*

Charlotte (just put on Simon and Garfunkel Live in Central Park)

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Cool Beans
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 03:31 PM

Well, if it's the singles chart, as you state, then the A side could have been #1 and the B side could have been #2. It would be the same piece of plastic containing the same two songs by the same artist. Is that what you're talking about? There were many two-sided hits back in the day by such artists as Elvis, the Beatles, Buddy Holly...

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 03:51 PM

The single Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane was released on 13 February 1967, in Britain,both sides were registered as the simultanious No.1 single in the Melody Maker charts.

Charlotte (the view from ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 04:02 PM

I don't see how the same record could have had the A - side as #1 and the B-side as #2.

it's all music industry BS anyway, but just for the sake of argument, they would have to total up all the people who asked for "Penny Lane" and all the people who asked for "Strawberry Fields Forever".

I know that didn't happen, but in principle that's what would have had to happen for the same record to have been simultaneously #1 and #2.

Anyway Eddie, how you doing, got the action fixed on the Lowden yet ?????

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Cool Beans
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 05:36 PM

Back when there were jukeboxes they used to measure a song's popularity not just by sales but by jukebox play. This is where the American music industry magazine Cashbox got its name--from the cash receptacle inside the jukebox.   
Anyway, if you put in your quarter and played "Penny Lane" and someone else put in two quarters and played "Strawberry Fields" twice, "Strawberry Fields" would become a bigger hit than "Penny Lane."

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 04:12 PM

eddie1 .... so how did it go ??

I'm interested as to what the answer is.

biLL

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 04:36 PM

Cool Beans, with respect, I think that is total nonsense.

Hits were measured by sales in record shops (and only a few selected "representative" record shops at that).

How could anybody possibly monitor jukebox plays back in these pre-silicon chip days ?

Of course, you may be simply winding me up, in which case, congratulations, I swallowed the bait hook line and sinker ...

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Cool Beans
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 05:21 PM

Murray, Murray, Murray,
      I'm not that clever. Here's a snippet from Wikipedia's article on Cashbox magazine. Wikipedia isn't Brittannica (I've corrected some things on Wikipedia meself), but this article is accurate, to the best of my knowledge:


Separate charts were presented for juke box popularity, record sales and radio airplay, similar to Billboard's methodology prior to August 1958, when it debuted its Hot 100, which attempted to combine all measures of popularity into one all-encompassing chart. In addition, chart data were presented for specific genres such as country music.

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 05:40 PM

And all along I thought it was based on whether or not I liked the song.

Damn, another delusion shot to hell by reality.

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: eddie1
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 03:19 AM

Got the following reply this morning so you folks were pretty close. I have now poured a half pint into my computer. Share it around!

It was actually "I am the walrus" which was the "B" side to the No.1 "Hello goodbye" and also featured on the "Magical Mystery Tour" double E.P. which was at No.2.

He has now hit me with these;
Who had an LP released in 1972 called "The Dark Side of the Moon" - a year before Pink Floyd's landmark album of the same name?

The first few bars of "Taurus" by Spirit (from the album "Spirit") were pinched to provide the first few bars of which bona fide rock classic?

Billy Bragg's "A New England" has the opening lines "I was 22 years old when I wrote this song,I'm 22 now but I won't be for long" - borrowed from the opening lines from "Leaves that are green" from whose 1960's album? Because the original song's composer didn't mind, charges were not pressed!

What was the first Various Artists LP to top the British LP charts (not counting shows or film soundtracks) ?

The "Spirit" one is Led Zeps "Stairway to Heaven" and the Billy Bragg one is Simon & Garfunkel but I'm stuck on the other two.

After this I promise not to lean on you any more!

Murray! After being seperated from the Lowden for about 10 years, I now have it back and am very happy with it!


Eddie

Subject: RE: Can Mudcat Do It Again?
From: johnross
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 01:01 AM

>"I was 22 years old when I wrote this song,I'm 22 now but I won't be
>for long" - borrowed from the opening lines from "Leaves that are
>green" from whose 1960's album?

Paul Simon