BS: Pathetic goading

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 08:34 PM

" bobad - PM
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 08:29 AM

Hmm...when the preponderance of threads about Islamism turn into Israel bashing and the preponderance of threads about Israel run into thousands of posts. In view of that predominance there can really only be one view about the motivation of the Jew haters."

A total non-sequitur, Poo-bad. One may criticise the activities of Israel and/or the actions of Zionists without conflating either with a collective guilt of Jews - particularly since most critics of Israel or Zionism are careful to make the distinction, and post fairly plentifully on other topics.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 08:51 PM

Sorry Richard but you appear to be caught in some sort of 60s time warp. The current consensus on the usage of the euphemism "Zionism" is that it IS anti-Semitism pure and simple. But don't take it from me (which I'm sure you won't in any case) but check out what the Jewish community has to say about the usage: Google

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 09:26 PM

The current consensus on the usage of the euphemism "Zionism" is that it IS anti-Semitism pure and simple.

Pure and simple bullshit, that is. Didn't I just read something you posted about opinions and assholes?

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:40 AM

Zionism
ˈzʌɪənɪz(ə)m/
noun
1.
a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
2.
(in southern Africa) a religious movement represented by a group of independent Churches which practise a form of Christianity incorporating elements of traditional African beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:41 AM

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:47 AM

An article discussing several aspects of Zionism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

In short, Boo-bad, Zionism is a claim to own a patch of land because the god of a particular religion says so. A theocratic fetish.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:51 AM

To say that opponents of Israeli militancy is somehow anti Semitic is to say that such actions by Israeli forces are because they are Jews.

I guess that slurs Jewish people.

How fucking anti Semitic can you get?

Ignorance was always a feature of apologists for terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 04:05 AM

But you people ONLY criticise Israel while ignoring far worse crimes by far worse states.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 08:53 AM

So start a thread about the role of the Anglican church in Ugandan law?

One interesting aspect of such threads is that they can be about current affairs. If Israel wasn't punishing the Palestinian people for democratically voting for their leaders, murdering well over a thousand people in the last couple of weeks...

You use of "far worse" is subective to say the least....

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:12 PM

The action being taken by Israel certainly looks disproportionate, but the West sometime in the not to distant future may have to take similar action against Islamist extremists.

Sometimes, everything boils down to survival.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 04:54 AM

Thats you fucked then.

Bugger off and start your own like minded militia eh? Darwin had a bit to say about survival and the bigot gene seems to be dying out as the species evolves. You see that kind of talk when reporters and journalists interview far right thugs at marches so we can all laugh at their lack of intellect.

Just when you think he can't sink any lower, he proves you wrong...

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 08:49 AM

The UN Middle East envoy also stated his belief that militant Islamism was the greatest threat to world peace.
We had a thread about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 10:02 AM

You had dozens of threads about it. The only thing demonstrated there is that Mudcat has a core group of participants who keep arguing about the same disputes over and over and expect a different outcome.

Sounds familiar . . .

Oh, yeah, that's one illustration of insanity.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 11:04 AM

But, SRS, people have their hobbies, you know; which, notoriously, can sometimes become obsessive...

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 11:31 AM

There was only one thread about that statement, which was described in the OP.
It was in April and the title was "Islamic Radicalism."

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 11:51 AM

""Tide comes in, tide goes out.
You cant explain that!""

William James Bill O'Reilly'Jr.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 12:00 PM

Yes you can.

Musket PhD (app' physics)



Oh, as Keith just said something completely irrelevant.

Using Islam as a weapon to destabilise western democracy is potentially one of the largest threats we have at present.

Musket VD & Bar.

Although what that has to do with Israeli aggression of neighbouring Palestine is completely beyond me. Perhaps Keith wants us to think the Israeli murder of innocent families is OK because 98% of Palestinians are Muslim.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 12:16 PM

"Musket VD"

Sorry to hear it......penicillin is effective.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 12:54 PM

This thread is not about Gaza Musket.
You said Ake had sunk really low just because he said the same thing Blair did.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 01:11 PM

"This thread is not about Gaza Musket."
This thread is about whatever aspect of pathetic goading contributors want to make of it.
Have you not got your head around the fact that you do not own this forum and have no right whatever to tell anybody where and when to post.
"The UN Middle East envoy also stated his belief that militant Islamism was the greatest threat to world peace."
I thought Israel had nuclear weapons - don't right-wing terrorist states count then?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 02:43 PM

My point was it is not just Ake who thinks that, so he should not be so maligned for saying it.
Musket voted for Blair's Labour Party all the while he was leader and pm.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 04:08 PM

Yes Keith...Blair did say that, though I am not one of his political supporters. In fact I can proudly say I never voted for Mr Blair.

However, the danger of Islamic radicalism is so obvious that only a fool would deny that it exists.
Any human being who worships martyrdom is a hugely dangerous weapon, and Radical Islam has millions of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 04:32 PM

Yes.
Our UK security services say it is the greatest threat to us here.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 04:52 PM

"Our UK security services say it is the greatest threat to us here."
Wouldn't they just - is that before or after trades unionists, or civil rights protesters, or miners, or republicans..... or all the other "enemies within"?
"Musket voted for Blair's Labour Party all the while he was leader and pm."
I do believe you voted for Thatcher while she was dropping her knickers for Pinochet and claiming he was a wonderful example of democracy - you've certainly written in support of her and her policies
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 05:21 PM

I voted for Blair just as Musket did.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 05:34 PM

I think, to express it with all moderation, that that 'dropping her knickers' was an unfortunate -- well, I would like to say "lapse" on Jim's part; but in fact too unhappily typically tasteless an ill-natured vulgarity. Can Jim not have any relationship of friendship & mutual respect with a member of the opposite sex without the 'dropping of knickers' being a factor? Well, then much as he might detest the very thought of the late Lady Thatcher, he has no need to be so gratuitously offensive.

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Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 07:55 PM

Well, "The" of recently-changed soubriquet (you big bloody kid), I happen to think that Jim's allusion was entirely appropriate. Maggie did suck up enthusiastically to dictators (Pinochet) or to people who enthusiastically propped up dictators (Reagan). Had she been a man she would have enjoyed big juicy erections at the very thought of these two tosspots - and we would have said so here. Nothing sexist in saying that she dropped her knickers, figuratively speaking, in the presence of power-fellows. Fer chrissake, she even sucked up to Gorby. That was her style. If she's up there somewhere, seeing your pathetic defence of her from on high, she'd tell you to piss thoroughly off, and quite right too.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 03:34 AM

"Can Jim not have any relationship of friendship & mutual respect with a member of the opposite sex without the 'dropping of knickers' "
A political metaphor Mike and you know it.
Thatcher hailed Pinochet as a champion of democracy after he had overthrown a legally elected government and massacred those who opposed him in their thousands.
He ruled Chile and a fascist dictator for 17 years with her support and she was largely responsible for his escaping trial as a mass murderer.
She implicated Britain in fascism by using her Party as a supporter for his 'democracy' - I have little doubt that she would have loved to take his inspiration far further than British democracy allowed her to, had she been able.
Your response, I seem to remember, was "she did time good things for Britain" - making the trains run on time, maybe, as did Mussolini for Italy?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 03:59 AM

"she did time good things for Britain"
Sorry should have read "did some" - possibly a Freudian slip on my part perahpas if was thinking of "she should have done time" preferably in the next cell to Augusto.
I really should reset the level of my chair; my typing is getting beyond the pale.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 05:06 AM

"Thatcher hailed Pinochet as a champion of democracy after he had overthrown a legally elected government and massacred those who opposed him in their thousands." - Christmas

Thatcher hailed Pinochet as a champion of democracy - and that adulation was given in what context Christmas?

1: In reference to Pinochet's and Chile's offers and actions in the immediate aftermath of the Argentine invasion and armed occupation of the Falkland Islands?

2: After he had overthrown a legally elected government and massacred those who opposed him in their thousands?

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 05:37 AM

Akenaton's hate filled publications are illegal and cannot be seen as free speech as he has to lie to justify them.

If you have not made that up Musket, please actually post Akenaton's lie.
I am going to stick my neck out again, and predict that you can't.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 05:48 AM

Let's just stick the latest one where he says sexual orientation is not to be regarded as equality on the same level as gender, (contrary to law.)

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 01:18 PM

"I repeat what you and I have debated many times in the past. I cannot see how organised religions can pick and choose based on scripture, not actually believe it literally but then cling onto it as set in stone when it conflicts with decency. The role of women and the equality of all regardless of creed or sexual orientation being two large elephants in the room."

The role of women in society, and the acceptance of ANY sort of sexual orientation are completely different and should not be lumped together as if they were the same.

The role of women differs slightly in various societies, but is widely accepted worldwide.
Many form of sexual orientation are not accepted and some and are even criminalised here in the UK.
Many more are criminalised worldwide.

The church at least attempts to set some moral standards for society.



Do we get to include his wonderful post on the Scotland thread where he says that brotherhood and equality for all Scots except homosexuals because they are only 1% and spread disease?

Or do we keep going back?

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 06:25 AM

"and that adulation was given in what context Christmas?"
It was given in the context of a mass murderer being held under house arrest in order to be brought to justice.
The fact that his Junta gave support to an ex-colonial power's fight to hold on to one of its former colonies of the South American coast alters that fact not one iota.
Thatcher described Pinochet's butchery as her ideal of democracy - there, but for the grace of her Christian god, went us all, had she got her way.
Sorry - didn't get the point of you last question mark - do you challenge that that is exactly what he did
PINOCHET'S MASSACRES
Any quibble on the actuel numbers - thousands 'disappeared from his torture chambers, never to be found again.
You might remember that Victor Jara was one of those - on the other hand, you might choose to ignore it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 06:50 AM

Where is the lie in all that Musket, except for your misrepresentation of his views on Scotland?

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 07:07 AM

Ehmmm Christmas I suggest you look up what the word Context means - Clue: It means more than just setting.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 07:07 AM

Why don't you and your thug mate go out and do a bit of queer bashing?

If you don't understand what sexual orientation means, at least stop making yourself look a wicked fool.

Where have I misrepresented his views on Scotland? He said


Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 03:19 AM

A personal attack on my views, has no relevance to this thread.
Brotherhood and equality in my book, does not run to legislation in favour of a tiny sexual minority which is associated with such high rates of ill health, even if it only affects 1 in 100 of the population of Scotland

Mr Salmond and the SNP can bring forward whatever policies they wish, as long as we achieve the goal of independence......the end in this case, justifies the means.

After independence has been won, there will be much to do regarding all issues, political AND social.




Putting to one side his view of Scotland is wonky as only a few psychopaths in any country don't like equality, he then uses lies to support his discriminatory bigotry. Notwithstanding Scotland itself being associated with high rates of ill health....

You know this.

You have read it.

Yet you agree with it.

Scum.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 07:17 AM

Musket, you claimed he said, " he says that brotherhood and equality for all Scots except homosexuals" but he did not say that.
You misrepresented him.

You also stated that he lied but you have still not produced one.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 08:20 AM

"Ehmmm Christmas I suggest you look up what the word Context means "
And I suggest that you explain why an ex-Prime Minister described a mass murderer and a fascist as a hero of democracy.
Jim Carroll

Thatcher's take on democracy
Was Thatcher's Friendship with Augusto Pinochet Indefensible?
APR 28, 2013
The very public eulogies given by Margaret Thatcher's ideological descendants in the wake of her death were seen by many to be a cynical attempt to push a neoliberal narrative of modern British history in a time economic strife. It was obvious, claimed her detractors, that several subjects would not be covered in any depth in the broadcast media, no more so than her policy of legislating state sanctioned homophobia and her support for authoritarian dictatorships across the globe.
In the name of freedom, Thatcher cultivated close relationships with some of the worst regimes on Earth, including Saddam Hussein's Iraq (pre-Kuwait invasion), Suharto's Indonesia and Pol Pot's Cambodia. But even her relationship with Suharto, a perpetrator of genocide whom she described as "one of our very best and most valued friends," cannot be compared to the closeness expressed in her friendship with Augusto Pinochet.
If we were to accept Thatcher's rhetoric of the defence of civilisation, democracy and freedom, Pinochet would seem an unlikely ally, let alone a close friend and confidant. Following the United States directed destabilisation of the Chilean economy, Pinochet came to power in a bloody CIA-backed coup in 1973, overthrowing the legitimate democratically elected government of Salvador Allende. He immediately suspended all political activity and the constitution.
Following the coup, a Chilean army death squad named Caravana de la Muerte, the "Caravan of Death," flew aeroplanes which dropped the mutilated corpses of political opponents into the sea.[1] Despite minimal military opposition to the coup, Pinochet's government waged a war of savage repression against the Chilean people, and thousands of Chileans were murdered because of their political affiliation.[2]
Many more trade unionists, leftists and their families were not murdered but faced tortures so unimaginably gruesome that death would have been preferable for them. In an estimate widely considered to be overly conservative, the Valech Commission concluded that over 40,000 Chileans were subject to torture by the Chilean secret police.[3]
It is worth examining the personal testimony of those who were held captive by Pinochet's secret police to get an idea of how this systematic repression was experienced. Political activist Nieves Ayres and her family were snatched from her home by the Chilean secret police. As American historian Temma Kaplan recounts:
"Once at the prison camp, agents questioned Ayress for hours to gain information about liberal intelligence. She refused to answer and suffered immense torture. Ayress's torture began with nude beatings. Agents yelled insults at her while they beat her. They screamed, "Speak, red dog, or we will shoot your father and brother in front of you!" Each day her torture worsened. Agents sliced her skin and burnt her with cigarettes. Then they hung her from the ceiling and crammed tree limbs and coke bottles into her vagina and anus. As the days passed Ayress endured more gruesome treatment. Tortures stripped her naked and placed her on metal bedsprings where they shocked her tongue and vagina. Guards employed animals to conduct torture on Ayress and forced her to endure rape by Dobermans. They also shoved starved rats into her vagina. She screamed as the rats ripped and tore their way out. Guards raped Ayress over 40 times and consequently she became pregnant. She feared that if her tortures learned of her pregnancy she would face maniacal experimentation on her foetus. She kept quiet about her pregnancy but as a result of endless torture miscarried."[4]
This use of systematic sexual violence as a form of political punishment was routine. An account recalls from the Valech Report states that:
"For women, it was an especially violent experience. The commission reports that nearly every female prisoner was the victim of repeated rape. The perpetration of this crime took many forms, from military men raping women themselves to the use of foreign objects on victims. Numerous women (and men) report spiders or live rats being implanted into their orifices. One woman wrote, "I was raped and sexually assaulted with trained dogs and with live rats. They forced me to have sex with my father and brother who were also detained. I also had to listen to my father and brother being tortured."[5]
These desperately alarming testimonies should provoke untold disgust in anyone with a conscience, but Thatcher chose to dismiss any such sentimentalism. In 1999, she dismissed opposition to the man responsible for the systematic rape of tens of thousands of women as latent pinko "poisonous prejudices".[6] These words would have been utterly contemptible if they were expressed during her time in office.
Thatcher apologists have attempted to justify her support for Pinochet by citing the dictator's support for Britain during the Falklands conflict, arguing that the Falklands left Britain with "a debt of honour".[7] Yet such statements ignore her pre Falklands admiration of Pinochet. As staunch admirers of Hayek and fanatical anti-Communists, she and Pinochet were natural allies. In 1980, the year after Thatcher became Prime Minister and two years prior to the Falklands War, Thatcher lifted Britain's arms embargo on Pinochet's Chile.[8]
After Pinochet's covert support for Britain during the Falklands War, the personal relationship between Thatcher and the dictator went far beyond that of two heads of state, with the Pinochet family visiting the Thatchers in London annually. This continued long after Thatcher's time in office. In retirement, the pair regularly had tea parties together.
Much to the consternation of both, reality eventually interrupted their cups of tea and lady fingers when Pinochet was indicted for human rights violations by Spanish judge Baltasar Garzón.[9] Thatcher did everything in her power to ensure that he would not face justice for his crimes.[10] During the legal battle to avoid extradition to Spain, she regularly visited Pinochet, and lobbied Tony Blair's government in public to ensure that he would not be extradited. In a gross perversion of reality, she compared the Blair government's treatment of Pinochet to that of a police state.[11]
In the full knowledge that Thatcher was not on their side, the peoples of Latin America mostly contemptuously ignored her death. Unsurprisingly, the tiny minority of Chileans who recall fond memories of Pinochet chose to mourn the passing of their dictator's backer.[12]
Supporters must remember that part of her legacy was her support for a man responsible for thousands of murders and the systematic use of torture and rape. A total lack of empathy for the victims of Augusto Pinochet is part of that legacy too, and demonstrates that Thatcher failed to meet even the most minimal standards of human decency.
Article by James Donnelly.

1 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6973614.stm

2 http://elpais.com/diario/2011/08/20/internacional/1313791208_850215.html

3 http://elpais.com/diario/2011/08/20/internacional/1313791208_850215.html

4 Elizabeth Simmons 'Torture Under Pinochet's Regime' Paper Given to the University of Alabama, Huntsville 2009

5 http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/2/7/torture-under-pinochet-we-were-peeling/

6 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/oct/06/pinochet.chile

7 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3635244/Thatcher-always-honoured-Britains-debt-to-Pinochet.html

8 http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/04/neruda-pinochet-thatcher-chile-murder-exhumed.html

9 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/195413.stm

10 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/victims-of-pinochets-police-prepare-to-reveal-details-of-rape-and-torture-1183793.html

11 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/oct/06/pinochet.chile

12 http://www.la-razon.com/mundo/Seguidores-Pinochet-lamentan-fin-Thatcher_0_1813018712.html

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 08:29 AM

Sorry to have spoiled our little relationship, Hen, with my change of designation. But you can go on calling me "The" as ever was; you know I respect ancient traditions.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 09:06 AM

Now let me see Christmas:

Evidence of Margaret Thatcher's support for General Augusto Pinochet prior to 1980?

I select 1980 as that was the date that Margaret Thatcher made a commercial decision in favour of British industry - not in favour of Chile or its Government. That decision was to reap benefits for Great Britain only two years later when British territory was invaded and occupied.

Allende's Government ignored the Chilean Constitution, one of the reasons it was overthrown. Pinochet was instrumental in ensuring that a new Constitution was drawn up in consultation with the people of Chile through referenda. He limited the term of office of the President and stood down when he had completed his own term of office.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 09:17 AM

Keith A of Hertford has lost all credibility now.

He said, I just quoted it and you read it.

You can't keep saying I am lying when I quote the odious little man himself, exhibiting hatred, dismissing a section of the community as not worth being equal and claiming they spread disease.

And Keith reckons he isn't saying that, despite the fact he just fucking well said it.

You are just having a laugh. A fairly sick one, granted, but you are in good company.

Terribulus is rewriting history as I type regarding Pinochet and his crimes against humanity. Is he eminent enough for you? Pinochet rounded up a few gay people together with folk singers, trade unionists and those who, like Akenaton judges, not worthy of favourable legislation and shot them in a football stadium.

Why don't you pm each other? Members of the human race won't have to throw up from reading it.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 09:34 AM

So you support Pinochet's murderous regime as Mrt T did - no surprise there then.
You maybe can get someone count the dead of Chile and Israel for you - come back with a total, when you have one.
Long live democracy eh?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 10:43 AM

Keith, Ian is unable to comprehend what he reads, he is completely blinded by his mythical equality agenda.

It is impossible to debate with someone like Ian, he distorts everything he reads to suit his agenda....."What's truth got to do with it....got to do with it!"......with apologies to my friend Graham.

It amazes me that a few here seem to regard Ian as intelligent?

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 10:53 AM

"his mythical equality agenda."
Lifelong socialist my arseum
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 11:04 AM

By the way, the stadium is now named after Victor Jara. I laid a flower at the shrine to those who fell foul of Pinochet's "regard for the constitution" a few years ago when I visited it. Victor was one of the victims, as most singers know only too well.

Seems like the good people of Chile don't share Terribulus's fascination with fascist monsters. Very few share his love of the dead bitch either.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: bobad
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 11:27 AM

This from someone who has a "thing" for Hamas and the Caliphate........hmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Musket
Date: 31 Jul 14 - 12:02 PM

Whos that then?

You say I have a thing about Hamas and with similar evidence I say you have a thing for raping schoolgirls. You say I have a thing for a caliphate and under the same evidence I say you steal from churches to raise money for your drug habit.

The only bit of truth is from what people type and Bobad says Israeli terrorists are justified in killing children.

Considering I hold religion in contempt and have said so at every opportunity, Bobad might want to find some other fantasy slur when referring to me.

I like coming on the BS threads to see what inferior scum are saying. I suppose I should watch the TV programmes that supply similar entertainment. A bit like our ancestors visiting Bedlam in the same way you visit the zoo.

Apart from the difference that monkeys don't exhibit criminal tendencies like incitement to hatred and parrots dont go around repeating and defending it.

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 01:57 AM

"The only bit of truth is from what people type and Bobad says Israeli terrorists are justified in killing children."
Not just Bobad - the Terminal Trio and their hanger-on have all suggested this at one level or another.
What is interesting is that the one of them has been thick enough to have declared his undying love for a South American fascist dictator whose regime facilitated the rape, torture and murder of his opponents, aided and abetted by a British Prime Minister who had taken the first tottering steps on the same road by declaring those who opposed her as 'The Enemy Within'.
Amazing what a bit of blood-letting brings crawling out of the woodwork.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 03:32 AM

Ah Christmas, so you have no evidence whatsoever that Margaret Thatcher evinced any support for Pinochet or his regime pre-1980 and that even post 1980 what "support" she did voice was restricted to the fact that Pinochet and Chile gave invaluable covert assistance to the British during the Falklands crisis and that he and his Government laid the foundations for Chile's return to democratic Government - in British history Pinochet's direct parallel would be Oliver Cromwell (A good bad man - who actually saved Parliament - from itself, and laid the foundations for the "Constitutional Monarchy").

Subject: RE: BS: Pathetic goading
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 04:03 AM

Jim....You and I both know, that wasting time promoting the rights of homosexuals to purloin the word "marriage", will make zero difference to the real inequality inherent in the Capitalist system.

If you do not understand that, you are no socialist and have no understanding of what Maccoll was trying to tell us.

The fact that I support a form of socialism, does not prevent me from listening and sometimes learning from others.
I have learned that social conservatism can often be a valuable influence in the construction of a fair but workable society.

The people that you vilify here are decent intelligent folk, you would do well to come out of your box sometimes and listen to the argument.....if you do not, you may end up a one trick pony like Ian.